EPT(GSL spoiler) The Game That Made Me Stop Playing - Page 3
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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SlimeBagly
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Let's be honest, it was cool to watch Mondragon hard counter voidrays with roaches, but Mondragon's just not Mondragon without lurkers. | ||
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Zlarp
Switzerland9 Posts
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
Where's the ultralisk baneling gem that you're talking about. When I type "ultra bane" in the research bar, I just access three not so good thread (I'm mistaken?) | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187434 | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
I could be spreading creep better I could injecting larva better I could be moving around my army better I could be getting drones out more efficently I could be making better use of my units/structures that I made to survive attacks I could be making better use of my idle units I could be spreading and using overlords better I could be punishing my enermies for not having proper defenses | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:23 Bswhunter wrote: Honestly what keeps me intrested when playing Zerg is the fact that EVERYTHING I am doing could be done better. I could be spreading creep better I could injecting larva better I could be moving around my army better I could be getting drones out more efficently I could be making better use of my units/structures that I made to survive attacks I could be making better use of my idle units I could be spreading and using overlords better I could be punishing my enermies for not having proper defenses Oh, sure; I mean, this isn't me getting bored because I'm #1 grandmaster with nowhere to go. As a purely abstract challenge there are endless ways in which I can improve, and until recently that was sufficient distraction to keep me playing. It's like Tetris. You can always get better at Tetris. But at some point you should probably take a step back and think about what it is you're getting better at and where it's leading. And some of the relationships between the races in SC2 - which are ultimately dictated by the tech-trees - are distinctly unappealing to me, no matter what level I end up playing at. Terran has the ability to just be safe against Zerg, really for as long as he feels like being safe. The safety and speed of teching, the synergy between his (invariably long-range) units as each comes online, how cost-effective each higher-tech unit is in small numbers when forced, the fact that the tech needed to counter anything is (in practice) only ever one building or add-on away and usually not even that (classic example being medivac-producing starports ready and waiting to hose out vikings at the first sniff of corruptors), and the strength of the marine glue holding it all together in a pinch - Terran always has the last word. That would be fine, if turtling safely were the defining quality of the race. But it isn't. Zerg's lack of an accessible, versatile core unit, or anything capable of catching his opponent off-guard, means that not only can a Terran turtle, or prepare a 'safe' push (like marine/tank: something that can't be pre-empted and has no defensive vulnerabilities but which must simply be absorbed head-on), but there are great chasms of time where he can be ok preparing a very one-dimensional and 'unsafe' push such as marauder/hellion or banshees. No question, these can be scouted, or at least inferred, and dealt with. But they dictate Zerg's options to such an extent that the Terran can prepare his followup on the loading screen. A good example here is 2-rax into hellions into banshees: the best response to the first attack is the worst for dealing with the followup, both being useless against the third. So Zerg is encouraged to play passively, delay tech, and build spines, queens, spores and drones, none of which are nimble enough to facilitate counter-aggression. And it works - works so well that I'm sure many people reading this are thinking "Huh; who does 2-rax into hellion into banshee any more?" without truly appreciating the price Zerg has paid to make themselves safe. That's one example of the kind of abusive relationship that exists in the game. But what's happened is that a kind of Stockholm syndrome has set in. Zergs have bought into the no-tech strategies that have been forced upon them, and started to write guides about how to push the envelope even further. And that's where I was, grubbing around making drones and lings and static defence while my opponents took to the sky in invisible fire-chariots, until I watched the GSL finals and finally saw myself for the cringing cur I had become. | ||
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1a
Canada36 Posts
zergs probably the strongest race right now and this is coming from a 800~ pt master ze User was banned for this post. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On September 15 2011 05:19 1a wrote: QQ bro youre just shit zergs probably the strongest race right now and this is coming from a 800~ pt master ze That doesn't mean zerg can't be unappealing to him in an aesthetic manner. Hell, I'm a higher ranked masters (not with zerg, and not like either fact matters), and while I agree zerg is pretty damn strong, I find the race rather unappealing to play. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
I changed my mind  The first reason was that we started getting HotS info much sooner than I'd anticipated, which encouraged me to resume practicing so that I could better enjoy the Beta when it starts. The second reason was that I had the most god-awful problems getting Rage to work on my PC, and when I did get it working I realised that my Core 2 Duo was criminally bottlenecking my 5870 graphics card, and I decided to postpone playing until I could afford to upgrade. The third reason was watching Stephano on his stream. He made playing Zerg look less like stopping fists with your face and more like preying upon small girls that have wandered into the forest to take Grandma her supper. So I'm back on/off the wagon, depending upon how you look at it, and actively trying to work fun stuff like burrow, Nydus and drops into my games rather than worrying about them being inefficient. | ||
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