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+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied.
if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens.
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On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens.
I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3.
I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on.
Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page...
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Would have better appreciated the minerals being mined if it was in a much louder neutral way like proleague commentary.
OMGOMGOMGOGMG MINERALS BEING MINEDUUUUUUUUU MINUUUUUU MINUUUUU
but neutral, of course ;]
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To Turo and rycho:
Did either of you bother to read the rest of this thread? Both Chill and HotBid have posted in this thread saying that there is a place for criticism of TSL casting, and it is not in a brand new thread. There are feedback threads for that sort of thing, and this has been said multiple times already in this thread alone. PMs are also good. These are the correct ways to try to give feedback. This recasted cast is trying to make light of the fact that the guy found it necessary to create a whole new thread topic about his opinion of one caster in one part of one tournament, and turn it into a much bigger deal than it needed to be, especially when there is already another thread dedicated to that. It was ridiculous. Thus the ridiculous response.
PS. If you're concerned that any part of this is going to harm the growth and legitimization of esports, then become a caster and show us how to do it right. For now, we like Chill. But thank you for your opinions.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page...
Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL?
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Ahaha, "Excuse me for going off the cuff there."
So awesome. Anyone who whines needs to stop taking themselves so seriously. There's a place in eSports for fun AND professionalism. The TSL is both.
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On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL?
Indeed, he could have voiced his opinions in a more appropriate forum.
My question is: Is it reasonable to make fun of him on the front page of TL?
Perhaps that is where our opinions differ.
That's all I got.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On March 29 2011 13:49 Turo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL? Indeed, he could have voiced his opinions in a more appropriate forum. My question is: Is it reasonable to make fun of him on the front page of TL? Perhaps that is where our opinions differ. That's all I got.
I didn't put it on the front page.
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I just realized he said neutral protoss @ top left.
What a rookie mistake.
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Lol this was hilarious, Well done Sir.
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On March 29 2011 13:53 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:49 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL? Indeed, he could have voiced his opinions in a more appropriate forum. My question is: Is it reasonable to make fun of him on the front page of TL? Perhaps that is where our opinions differ. That's all I got. I didn't put it on the front page.
Hey now, let's keep this civil.
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Chill, keep doing yo thing, you are a good caster and very underrated.
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United States44435 Posts
This is a great step forwards for ESPORTS.
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Is this a segment of the actual VOD or the video that Chill has used in response to the criticism? I can't tell.
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This is a fantastic recast and I can only hope that all future games by all of the TSL casters are done in this new neutral, format.
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This is clearly the best thread I've seen all day...
Minerals being mined... Minerals being mined...
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On March 29 2011 14:27 PickleWeasel wrote:
Is this a segment of the actual VOD or the video that Chill has used in response to the criticism? I can't tell.
it was one of the original casts in TSL that he recasted and uploaded a MP3
i just muted the original video and inserted the MP3 on top
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EPT
