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On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL?
Chill.
I have to honestly admit that I have yet to watch the video's and that I only reply from what I see happening now. That being said I personally feel a bit uneasy if we're getting such a response if there's critism on quite an important aspect of the TSL. Sure, there are other ways but we're on a forum here where (if in appropriate tones) we can/could discuss about subjects like the casting.
What bothers me is that you're the only one bringing this reply out as a caster, possibly being offensive and just plain rude if I was in his position. Do not take this personal, but if you dislike public critism about your style of casting, is casting truly what you should do? I mean, I can appreciate the hilarious video, but it is a bit edgy and I can imagine for PR it's not really a super good thing either. What I hope is that over time, you will be open to public discussion, as when you're not you kind of only hurt the community that supports you and others 
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On March 29 2011 14:50 SarcasticOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 14:27 PickleWeasel wrote:
Is this a segment of the actual VOD or the video that Chill has used in response to the criticism? I can't tell. it was one of the original casts in TSL that he recasted and uploaded a MP3 i just muted the original video and inserted the MP3 on top
I was being sarcastic, was making fun of him because all of his casts are this bland and mundane.
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Brillant cast! The part I loved the most was when the building was floating!! WOW!
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whos saying theres bias? i dont get it, i watched it all and didnt see any bias. I mean whoever wins is the better player (erm, some of those ZvPs were dissapointing but thats off topic).
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<3 chill.
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He spent more time showing the terran players base early on... clearly this cast was biased by terran favoritism and I as a zerg player shouldn't have to stand for it! In fact, this cast didn't even include any zerg at all. I find the exclusion of my race from this event an insult to all zergs everywhere. Expect to hear from my lawyer!
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LOOOOOL moderate temperature. xD
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On March 29 2011 14:53 Savreth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL? Chill. I have to honestly admit that I have yet to watch the video's and that I only reply from what I see happening now. That being said I personally feel a bit uneasy if we're getting such a response if there's critism on quite an important aspect of the TSL. Sure, there are other ways but we're on a forum here where (if in appropriate tones) we can/could discuss about subjects like the casting. What bothers me is that you're the only one bringing this reply out as a caster, possibly being offensive and just plain rude if I was in his position. Do not take this personal, but if you dislike public critism about your style of casting, is casting truly what you should do? I mean, I can appreciate the hilarious video, but it is a bit edgy and I can imagine for PR it's not really a super good thing either. What I hope is that over time, you will be open to public discussion, as when you're not you kind of only hurt the community that supports you and others
I have to agree. Pretty unprofessional in my opinion. Some of us (obviously quite a few just want funny videos) hold those of you in the e-sports limelight to a pretty high standard. If this video would have been posted by any other random TLer I wouldn't have cared.
Maybe I'm being overly sensitive but this thread just feels mean spirited. Why is this in the Spotlight?
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On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens.
i do watch it, i just mute the commentary =] i think those that enjoy it are rather vapid, but to each his own i suppose
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GomTv is having a korean vs the world team event, we better go tell them to tone it down or someone will get offended.
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Bias is inevitable in any good commentary. As long as the commentators aren't jumping for joy and launching fireworks whenever any single Korean unit dies (one zergling dies OMGOMGOMGOM WOOT YES YES YES YESSS GJ MONDIIII), it's all good imo.
Like tennis is pretty damn international, and the English/British (duno proper term for this) commentators tend to be pretty unbiased, but once another Brit appears on screen they tend to be a little biased...it ain't too bad.
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On March 29 2011 14:53 Savreth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL? Chill. I have to honestly admit that I have yet to watch the video's and that I only reply from what I see happening now. That being said I personally feel a bit uneasy if we're getting such a response if there's critism on quite an important aspect of the TSL. Sure, there are other ways but we're on a forum here where (if in appropriate tones) we can/could discuss about subjects like the casting. What bothers me is that you're the only one bringing this reply out as a caster, possibly being offensive and just plain rude if I was in his position. Do not take this personal, but if you dislike public critism about your style of casting, is casting truly what you should do? I mean, I can appreciate the hilarious video, but it is a bit edgy and I can imagine for PR it's not really a super good thing either. What I hope is that over time, you will be open to public discussion, as when you're not you kind of only hurt the community that supports you and others
Gonna have to agree with this too. The intial criticism was well written and well put. Was he right? Thats up to anyone to decide from his own point of view and whether they agree or disagree with what was said. But, as the target of the criticism, if you dont agree the best thing to do is probably to either to reply to him in the thread or just ignore it (ignoring is fine, imagine how much someone like Husky would have to spend readin TL if he were to answer all criticism from random users). But making this video, as fun as it was, just put a sour taste in my mouth and it really didn't seem like a professional way to handle criticism. And I very much disagree with the decision to put it in the spotlight.
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Too much attention spent on minerals... I QQ now.
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Epic alter ego  Moderate Temperature rofl! Hope he will make a cameo appearance in the future. I liked the video and already replied in the original thread but I'll qoute a piece of it I still find very important.
"I think I can add something to the discussion. It about ways casters present information. I think it was Tyler who said it on Sotg once and it really opened my eyes. What his point came down to is excitement/surprise is a big part of watching a cast. If there is an attack happening and you show the defender will have x and hold it off. You watch the attack unfold and pretty much know whats gonna happen. Whereas if you actively decide to withold that information so that when you watch the attack happen, you have no clue, it could go either way, omg hes losing and bam, x finishes or pops out and he manages to defend it, that was close!
Why I feel it was so interesting is because it allows you to sort of rationalise flaws in casting. There are so many people who feel the need to point out small errors and what not, while you could easily not care and even think about what positive stuff it can actually adds. You have to apply this with common sense, it's not a guideline or end all view just something to explore from time to time.
Now to come back to the point of the casting being swayed what is deemed unfairly by some, it's easy to say the, what I presume passionate and maybe slight exgaguration, adds a lot of that excitement. And that's just what it is. Making the game fun to watch."
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Dear Chill, you are amazing, and those that think you are unprofessional are wrong.
Everyone making a big deal out of this needs to chill out and enjoy starcraft. If it were too professional, it would be boring. If it were too unprofessional, it would be bad.
It is neither. It's perfect and entertaining.
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Minerals being mined.
GET OUT OF MY HEAD CHILL!
But seriously, it's obvious that a commentator is going to be biased to one player, we're all still just fans after all. And this adds a bit to the excitement and entertainment.
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On March 29 2011 15:59 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 14:53 Savreth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.
Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 29 2011 13:00 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.
Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.
Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.
Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.
Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading. i completely agree with you, and the fact that this blog is now featured is kind of sad to me. eolithic didn't say anything too harsh in my opinion, and i think he has a valid concern - i get tired of the korea vs foreigner thing being rammed down my throat every single match too. i also think its possible that english is possibly not his primary language, but i think he still makes his point in a civil and polite way. this blog to me just comes off as bratty and childish, and i think its too bad because this is the first negative thing i've had to say about anything having to do with tsl until now. i'm enjoying it a lot and i think it has been run exceedingly well, but i think people should have the power to criticize it without being made fun of and basically bullied. if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens. I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3. I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on. Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page... Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL? Chill. I have to honestly admit that I have yet to watch the video's and that I only reply from what I see happening now. That being said I personally feel a bit uneasy if we're getting such a response if there's critism on quite an important aspect of the TSL. Sure, there are other ways but we're on a forum here where (if in appropriate tones) we can/could discuss about subjects like the casting. What bothers me is that you're the only one bringing this reply out as a caster, possibly being offensive and just plain rude if I was in his position. Do not take this personal, but if you dislike public critism about your style of casting, is casting truly what you should do? I mean, I can appreciate the hilarious video, but it is a bit edgy and I can imagine for PR it's not really a super good thing either. What I hope is that over time, you will be open to public discussion, as when you're not you kind of only hurt the community that supports you and others Gonna have to agree with this too. The intial criticism was well written and well put. Was he right? Thats up to anyone to decide from his own point of view and whether they agree or disagree with what was said. But, as the target of the criticism, if you dont agree the best thing to do is probably to either to reply to him in the thread or just ignore it (ignoring is fine, imagine how much someone like Husky would have to spend readin TL if he were to answer all criticism from random users). But making this video, as fun as it was, just put a sour taste in my mouth and it really didn't seem like a professional way to handle criticism. And I very much disagree with the decision to put it in the spotlight.
People need to lighten up. Regardless of the initial criticism, this video is just making fun of the situation, which includes both Chill and the preceeding criticism. Sure, there are ways casting can be improved in a professional tournament, subjecting to various personal opinions. But surely you can see that this is no more than a fun jab at the whole debate, rather than a serious response or debate on the issue.
Laugh and move on, it's the internet.
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Nice, I have a presentation in 2 hours before a crowd of CEOs.
All I have in my head right now is: Minerals being mined! =[
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