Neutral TSL Commentary

On March 27 2011 12:59 Trezeguet wrote:
We accept your apology. It takes a big man to admit he is wrong, and to fix his mistakes. Perhaps due to this scandal you should even consider stepping aside and letting a more professional commentator take the reins.

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On March 27 2011 13:07 j3i wrote:
I don't get it... everytime I see someone offer constructive critisism on this board towards an recognized figure, they get their heads bitten off. He didn't even say it in a bad way. He was just offering his sentiments on the commentary. He was mature about it.

I saw something similar in the Official State of the Game thread when someone claimed that the way they ridicule audience responses on the show is demeaning. iNcontrol promptly labeled him as a "shitstirrer" ... for having an opinion about a show that encourages people to speak their minds.

And now this.

I don't care if I get banned or whatever but it has to be said. If you guys are the leaders of this board, you should probably act appropriately. Grow up.

On March 27 2011 13:07 j3i wrote:
I don't get it... everytime I see someone offer constructive critisism on this board towards an recognized figure, they get their heads bitten off. He didn't even say it in a bad way. He was just offering his sentiments on the commentary. He was mature about it.

I saw something similar in the Official State of the Game thread when someone claimed that the way they ridicule audience responses on the show is demeaning. iNcontrol promptly labeled him as a "shitstirrer" ... for having an opinion about a show that encourages people to speak their minds.

And now this.

I don't care if I get banned or whatever but it has to be said. If you guys are the leaders of this board, you should probably act appropriately. Grow up.

On March 27 2011 13:07 j3i wrote:
I don't get it... everytime I see someone offer constructive critisism on this board towards an recognized figure, they get their heads bitten off. He didn't even say it in a bad way. He was just offering his sentiments on the commentary. He was mature about it.

I saw something similar in the Official State of the Game thread when someone claimed that the way they ridicule audience responses on the show is demeaning. iNcontrol promptly labeled him as a "shitstirrer" ... for having an opinion about a show that encourages people to speak their minds.

And now this.

I don't care if I get banned or whatever but it has to be said. If you guys are the leaders of this board, you should probably act appropriately. Grow up.

On March 27 2011 13:11 SubtleArt wrote:


Maybe cause his critique was completely ridiculous?

On March 27 2011 13:07 j3i wrote:
I don't get it... everytime I see someone offer constructive critisism on this board towards an recognized figure, they get their heads bitten off. He didn't even say it in a bad way. He was just offering his sentiments on the commentary. He was mature about it.

I saw something similar in the Official State of the Game thread when someone claimed that the way they ridicule audience responses on the show is demeaning. iNcontrol promptly labeled him as a "shitstirrer" ... for having an opinion about a show that encourages people to speak their minds.

And now this.

I don't care if I get banned or whatever but it has to be said. If you guys are the leaders of this board, you should probably act appropriately. Grow up.

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On March 27 2011 13:12 Chill wrote:

If it was constructive criticism he would have PMd it to me directly to begin a discussion. Instead, he took the small man way out and made a thread asking "What does everyone else think?" Well, here's what I think.

On March 27 2011 13:34 BasilPesto wrote:


Are you saying that there is no way a TLer could offer constructive criticism by making a thread (and inviting opinion/discussion)? I think the fact that you are a public figure suggests that any criticism/discussion might also be of interest to the larger community.

On March 27 2011 13:35 mizU wrote:
:[ I can't view or hear anything. Broken links abound.

On March 27 2011 13:36 Chill wrote:

No, I am not saying that.

On March 27 2011 13:45 BasilPesto wrote:


Would you care to clarify?

Is criticism only constructive when offered and discussed in private?

On March 27 2011 13:07 j3i wrote:
I don't get it... everytime I see someone offer constructive critisism on this board towards an recognized figure, they get their heads bitten off. He didn't even say it in a bad way. He was just offering his sentiments on the commentary. He was mature about it.

I saw something similar in the Official State of the Game thread when someone claimed that the way they ridicule audience responses on the show is demeaning. iNcontrol promptly labeled him as a "shitstirrer" ... for having an opinion about a show that encourages people to speak their minds.

And now this.

I don't care if I get banned or whatever but it has to be said. If you guys are the leaders of this board, you should probably act appropriately. Grow up.

User was temp banned for this post.

Mod note: user was banned for stating he would be banned (martyring), not for his criticism.

On March 27 2011 13:58 Entropic wrote:
I think minerals are getting preferential treatment in this cast. Do a more moderate, balanced and unbiased cast please.

Every single move, every single engagement, every single match and the reflections made based on the outcome was focuced on the korean players nationality.

Now I was cheering for the koreans, as I always do

On March 27 2011 19:40 eoLithic wrote:
Chill.

I said that I would appreciate it the focuse on koreans vs. foreigners were toned down abit. Making it look like I ment that the casting should be anything like this, huh?

If this is what you get in response when trying to help someone you admire, and while stating that several times, well then awesome=D

Trying to discusse this with a person like Chill is just pointless, seeing as he has so much more support than me anyways.

As I stated in my post concerning your casting. I admire your casting and thought the casting bit were amazing, but that the focuse on the "you-know-what" took away alot from the games.

On March 27 2011 22:11 Myles wrote:


You wrote a huge OP about it when this was all that was needed in a feedback thread. You made a way bigger deal than it needed to be.

On March 27 2011 17:19 Reason.SC2 wrote:
I don't know... when you said unit killed that seemed pretty biased to me. You sounded happy about it and the neutral player may find that offensive. Also there is a clear bias in this commentary towards minerals. Not cool.

On March 28 2011 21:57 SlimeBagly wrote:
Edit: nevermind, I love you too much to make a cheapshot

On March 27 2011 12:48 Chill wrote:
It has come to my attention that the TSL commentary may have been too edgy and bias for many of our members. In order to meet their needs, I have rerecorded the TSL commentary being careful to remain neutral.

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On March 29 2011 10:19 cullam wrote:
John Madden needs to cast a game of Starcraft.

On March 29 2011 10:52 omnikaush wrote:
Hey, can you re-upload the mp3 file? The two links on the front page are broken, and I can't use megaupload...

excuse me for going off the cuff there

On March 29 2011 11:06 Motion wrote:
Chill does an awesome job at casting tsl3, this criticizing thread is indeed ridicules...

keep up the good work chill, you are my favorite, together with tastosis and NuketheStars

On March 29 2011 11:49 Crackensan wrote:
Someone needs to mash these togeather and put it up on youtube. ♥

Go Chill. :D

On March 29 2011 12:54 Turo wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that a guy expressing his honest opinion in a thread on TL gets belittled with a response of this nature. eoLithic clearly is a Chill fan, as he stated in his thread several times. I believe his intent was clear, he didn't like the whole korean/foreigner vibe from the casts, and was trying to voice his opinion in such a way that would be acceptable to everyone.

Obviously I don't know what PM's were exchanged, but Chill's public response, this blog, seems like a childish way to go about things. This feels like a very thinly veiled attempt to make fun of eoLithic, and brush his concerns aside.

Now if this was simply a personal matter, no one would give a fuck I'm sure. But this isn't. Chill is in the spotlight, and this is how he chooses to express himself in this spotlight. I can't think of any professional sports commentators/casters that would address legitimate concerns in this way.

Now this is all opinion, and feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I think teamliquid and specifically TSL3 should handle legitimate concerns more professionally, and with a unified front, a PR department if you will. This could only benefit future TSL's and solidify SCII as a legitimate E-sport in the minds of regular people, who have only a passing interest in the game.

Any criticism welcome. Thanks for reading.

On March 29 2011 13:21 SarcasticOne wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDGf1G6mxQ

enjoy!

On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:
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if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens.

On March 29 2011 13:33 Turo wrote:

On March 29 2011 13:18 Ctoan wrote:
God, some of these responses are taking this way too seriously. It's like no one can have a sense of humour. I really hope all this crap doesn't discourage TL from running another one of these tournaments.

I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I can see myself having an opinion like eoLithic's, posting it, then getting laughed at by a representative of teamliquid and TSL3.

I'm merely trying to point out that if teamliquid wants to have a professional appearance, then maybe this sort of thing shouldn't go on.

Yes this IS funny, but maybe it shouldn't be featured on the front page...

On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:

Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL?

On March 29 2011 13:49 Turo wrote:


Indeed, he could have voiced his opinions in a more appropriate forum.

My question is: Is it reasonable to make fun of him on the front page of TL?

Perhaps that is where our opinions differ.

That's all I got.

On March 29 2011 14:27 PickleWeasel wrote:
Is this a segment of the actual VOD or the video that Chill has used in response to the criticism? I can't tell.

On March 29 2011 13:44 Chill wrote:
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Come on, if he really didn't like one theme of the dozens of TSL, does he really need to make a thread for it? There's several better avenues (PMing me, using the feedback thread, dealing with it). Is it reasonable to make a thread every time someone doesn't like one thing about the TSL?

On March 29 2011 14:50 SarcasticOne wrote:

it was one of the original casts in TSL that he recasted and uploaded a MP3
i just muted the original video and inserted the MP3 on top

On March 29 2011 14:53 Savreth wrote:


Chill.
I have to honestly admit that I have yet to watch the video's and that I only reply from what I see happening now. That being said I personally feel a bit uneasy if we're getting such a response if there's critism on quite an important aspect of the TSL. Sure, there are other ways but we're on a forum here where (if in appropriate tones) we can/could discuss about subjects like the casting.

What bothers me is that you're the only one bringing this reply out as a caster, possibly being offensive and just plain rude if I was in his position. Do not take this personal, but if you dislike public critism about your style of casting, is casting truly what you should do? I mean, I can appreciate the hilarious video, but it is a bit edgy and I can imagine for PR it's not really a super good thing either. What I hope is that over time, you will be open to public discussion, as when you're not you kind of only hurt the community that supports you and others

On March 29 2011 13:21 soliddew wrote:
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if you don't want to have it rammed down your throat, then don't watch it. easy as that. most of the community enjoys it, so it happens.

On March 29 2011 14:53 Savreth wrote:
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Chill.
I have to honestly admit that I have yet to watch the video's and that I only reply from what I see happening now. That being said I personally feel a bit uneasy if we're getting such a response if there's critism on quite an important aspect of the TSL. Sure, there are other ways but we're on a forum here where (if in appropriate tones) we can/could discuss about subjects like the casting.

What bothers me is that you're the only one bringing this reply out as a caster, possibly being offensive and just plain rude if I was in his position. Do not take this personal, but if you dislike public critism about your style of casting, is casting truly what you should do? I mean, I can appreciate the hilarious video, but it is a bit edgy and I can imagine for PR it's not really a super good thing either. What I hope is that over time, you will be open to public discussion, as when you're not you kind of only hurt the community that supports you and others

On March 29 2011 15:59 Kreb wrote:

Gonna have to agree with this too. The intial criticism was well written and well put. Was he right? Thats up to anyone to decide from his own point of view and whether they agree or disagree with what was said. But, as the target of the criticism, if you dont agree the best thing to do is probably to either to reply to him in the thread or just ignore it (ignoring is fine, imagine how much someone like Husky would have to spend readin TL if he were to answer all criticism from random users). But making this video, as fun as it was, just put a sour taste in my mouth and it really didn't seem like a professional way to handle criticism. And I very much disagree with the decision to put it in the spotlight.

On March 29 2011 17:56 Chriamon wrote:
Why is this even spotlighted? Its really stupid, and the only reason it is spotlighted is because of teamliquid's bias towards chill.

On March 29 2011 20:02 Cele wrote:


to my opinion, this user wasnt "martyring" to draw attention to his post, but expressing his fear of beeing banned as a result of posting. While i do not believe, that his concerns were true, i would say the expression of this sentiment clearly is. Ironically you supported his notion in a twisted way by banning him. So im just asking myself, would it have been wiser, to not ban him and thusly proving him wrong?

On March 27 2011 12:48 Chill wrote:
It has come to my attention that the TSL commentary may have been too edgy and bias for many of our members. In order to meet their needs, I have rerecorded the TSL commentary being careful to remain neutral.

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDGf1G6mxQ
Thanks to SarcasticOne for mixing them together!