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So a lot of people were saying that there should be a power rank for SC2, in the oGsMC>all thread. I thought I'd take a crack at it, and see what other people think. I'll be sure to add pictures and whatnot later; I'm just gonna put in the text for now. Comments and discussion are welcome 
1. IMMvP
This is an easy pick, IMO. There is no doubt that MVP is the best player in the world; people have been saying that this guy is amazing since before GSL season 2. His "weak" matchup seems to be TvP, but, let's be honest, even that isn't weak. He has defeated the best players in the world of all races multiple times, and he only dropped one game to his teammate Nestea during his GSL championship win. He looked flawless in his demolition of Marineking's bio style TvT in the finals, and he performed exceedingly well during the GSTL as well.
2. IMNesTea
The best Zerg in the world, hands down, is Nestea. He has not dropped a ZvZ game in tournament play, EVER, as far as I know. Last GSL he cruised through undefeated until he had to play the Game Genie, his teammate MVP. His macro is phenomenal, and his micro is pretty sick too. He has the best understanding of the game of arguably any pro player currently in the field. His experience as a coach for KT, and his time with
players like Flash and nal_rA has definitely given him an edge in gamesense and decision making in SC2. The only player I would believe is capable of winning a best of 7 against Nestea is MVP.
3. MarinekingPrime.WE
Although I think his TvT style is beatable quite easily in its current state, I think MKP deserves this spot more than other players for several reasons. I will outline some of the reasons in following ranks for the other players for why they aren't here instead, but here I will discuss why MKP deserves this rank.
Marineking is arguably the most stylistic player who currently plays Starcraft, both in BW and in SC2. In some ways, his TvT can draw parallels to Bisu's PvZ. Both players do things that no other player could do to win. Both players rely strongly on mobility and timing, as opposed to turtling or using high-cost high-efficiency hard hitter units. Both players are also pretty boys with their
respective fan girls :p Marineking has shown consistency throughout his matchups since GSL2. He's the only player to have made the finals twice, and he is still one of the scariest Terrans in both TvZ and TvT. His play is so stylistic that it forces others to play differently, and it's clearly downed many good players because of their lack of familiarity with the kind of things MKP does. For now, though, MKP has some work ahead of him to refine his play so that he is not the first SC2 silver surfer.
4. oGsMC Number 4 was a hard choice to make. There are things about MC's play that could merit moving him up to 3, and there are things that could justify moving him to 5. However, I strongly feel that MC is still an incredibly strong Protoss, and quite easily the best Protoss right now. Recently he hasn't done as well as his GSL3 performance, and even his PvT has shown holes as exemplified by TOP's 4-0 of MC during Kaspersky last month. Jinro, likewise, caught MC off guard twice and redeemed himself with mech. Even so, MC still looks incredibly strong. During the GSTL he showed both his brilliance and weakness against IM. His defense of Seed's PvP cheese was very clutch, but his build against MvP was very questionable. It'll be interesting to see how MC performs this month in the GSL: will he be shown to be slumping, or will he prove all his haters wrong and rip apart all of his opponents? We can only wait to see what becomes of the Kratos Protoss.
5. Liquid'Jinro
Jinro captured the hearts and minds of SC2 players around the world by stomping MC not once, but twice with mech last month. He then continued on to defeat Idra 3-1 to make the round of 4 twice in a row, proving for everyone that the Gorilla Terran doesn't need luck; he relies on pure muscle. Yet, Jinro has shown to us that he doesn't just year through his opponents with sheer force alone. His micro shows delicate finesse that isn't even seen among players who have seen better results. His banshee micro in his group game against MKP was the work of an artisan. Unfortunately, Jinro showed that he isn't invulnerable by losing to MKP in the RO4. While this is nothing to be ashamed of, the lack of scouting and the psychological unawareness were the primary reasons MKP was able to beat out Jinro. Jinro should have won that series, in my opinion, but the basic errors he committed force me to place him lower than MC and MKP. Hopefully Jinro can continue to show consistency and strength, and prove to me that this placement is too low.
6.oGsTOP
The Code A winner from last season has performed brilliantly in the past two months. First was his performance during the Kaspersky New Year's invitational, where he defeated his teammates Zenio and MC quite handily. He was also clearly the player to beat during the Code A tournament, with the 4-3 finals against Byun being one of the most entertaining and high level TvTs we've seen yet. We didn't get to see his play much during the GSTL, as IMSeed used a tricky build to catch him off guard, but I hope to see more of his play during this upcoming GSL. He is in a moderately difficult group with Nada, Hongun, and TheBest, but I think he is still the strongest player in that group.
7. EGIdra
The Gracken performed really well in GSL last season, reaching the round of 8 with Jinro despite having to play such names as CheckPrime.WE, TSL_Clide, NSPGenius, and oGsNada. He 3-0ed his RO16 group and quite easily demonstrated that he is a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, who knows) Idra is returning to the U.S. and we will not see a rematch between him and Clide next season.
Hopefully Idra will still be able to deliver here in North America (NASL anyone?) and will someday return to Korea to own up his opponents.
8. ST.Squirtle
Holy shit. If you haven't seen ST vs IM, go and grab your favorite snack and go watch that. In a best of 9 series, Squirtle was called forth to do away with MVP, and boy did he deliver. In what was the best PvT in SC2 I've ever seen, Squirtle and MVP took turns in trading blows over and over for an incredible amount of time. When the dust settled, Squirtle was the winner. This guy has shown that he can compete with the best of the best right now. He has displayed innovation, solid mechanical play, excellent macro, micro, decision making, and everything else under the sun. I nearly cried tears of joy when he chose to use a hallucinated Phoenix to warp in DTs on the high ground. Squirtle is one of the rising players in Korea right now, and hopefully we'll see his true potential in the Code A tournament this month.
9. White-Ra
While it's nearly impossible to make a comparison between White-Ra and the players who compete in the GSL, credit is due to this man.
White-Ra has been on fire recently, earning tons of cash and defeating big names on the European server in the process. He's defeated the likes of Naniwa and Morrow, and clearly he is one of the strongest players in SC2 right now, at least in terms of results. Hopefully we'll see White-Ra in Korea soon, where he may be able to display how good he truly is.
10. Liquid'HuK
Number 10 was honestly the hardest to choose among all of the excellent players on the scene right now. I narrowed down my choice to ST.Ace and HuK, and ultimately chose HuK because of his long-term ladder success, praise among teammates, and his overall level of pimp. HuK is the Pimp Protoss. He bitch slaps his opponents with his superb micro, and he has shown to us that he is capable of hanging with the likes of Nestea and Idra on the ladder. Unfortunately right now it looks like HuK is struggling with PvP, but I feel that his true potential will be seen in the Code A tournament later this month. I will be highly shocked if he doesn't make it to at least the round of 8, if not the finals. His ladder success and the games he streams suggest that he can definitely make it very far.
Close, but no cigar:
ST.Ace
Ace played really well during the GSTL recently, but we need to see more of him to know how he stacks up against the rest of these guys. Ace holds a special place in my heart, as I am an avid poker fan. On a different day, maybe tomorrow, I would have perhaps placed Ace at 10. However, something tells me HuK is more deserving of that position.
ST.Bomber
Bomber is the guy who is most recently known for the ST player who almost killed MVP. By all means, he should've lost to Losira, who paid full price for being too cocky, and he should've won vs MvP, but threw the game. A lot of talk has been going around about Bomber for a couple of months now, but his two games in the GSTL showed why he is an underachiever in terms of results: he plays well, but I don't know if there's really any significant justification or evidence for him being placed among the players on the list.
LeenockfOu
WTF Leenock? Y u no play in GSTL? Something has to be up with this guy. I wasn't convinced by his play in GSL4, and this young guy clearly has some stuff to learn. His performances in GSL2 and 3 were commendable, but that was too long ago to consider seriously now. There has to be a reason why the fOu coach decided not to pick Leenock against ST, and I have a feeling it's because Leenock hasn't been doing so well lately. Better luck next time.
The entirety of TSL
damn it Tester, stop throwing games away, and you'd be among the best Protoss. Instead you constantly underachieve because your decisionmaking, like your teammate, Fruitdealer, has been garbage as of late. Fruitdealer, why all the all-ins? Cut it out! Clide...cliiiiiide...I realize you're highly esteemed by Tastosis, but you gotta show some results. Sangho, you too.
Shoutouts
All the EU players
This includes Morrow, Naniwa, Sjow, Ret, TLO, etc. Unfortunately it's so hard to compare you to the Koreans that I only took liberty in including White-Ra cause he's been winning so much lately.
Incontrol
this is mostly just because you're an announcement whore and you've been doing a lot of good awesome coaching. Yay.
That's all for now. What do you all think? How would you place players? Who's going to move up and who's going to go down?
Feel free to call me a noob if you strongly disagree with anything I've put up here.
 
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totally agree with everything! which is pretty sick maybe swap mc for marineking but i probably wouldn't, + it looks silly having TZP in top3 lol.
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You forgot about tons of other players and just put Squirtle a somewhat random. Genius, FruitDealer, Clide, Tester, Rainbow, and etc.. 
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Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best.
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imho jinro should be 3rd
marinekings style isnt very strong (gsl 4 finals) and imo his wins are just because of how unorthodox it is. he is a solid player, but should be way below 3rd
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None of those players have been playing well recently.
Genius is incredibly one dimensional. His micro is great, but till he learns how to play on more than one base he can't be considered with any of these players. Squirtle beat MVP, something no one else but Nestea has done recently, and he did it in a macro game. Squirtle also all-killed fOu. What have any of those other players done recently? ST never felt that fielding Rainbow was necessary. If he was better than Squirtle don't you think Rainbow would have played against IM? Clide lost to Ace, who is also not on the list. Clide hasn't proven himself worthy of praise recently, and neither have Fruitdealer or Tester. Fruitdealer has done literally nothing but take unnecessary risks and all-in instead of playing solidly. Tester seems to lose games he shouldn't because his decision making has been garbage as of late.
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On February 18 2011 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best.
The only foreigner on the list is White-Ra. Everyone else has played on the Korean server for the past five months at least. (shorter for HuK? He's still top 10 on the ladder...he beat Nestea, he plays vs Koreans...like I said, 10 could have gone to Ace or another player too)
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Sorry to say but HuK and whitera don't deserve those spots. Bomber and Zenio should definitely be in there instead.
Good call on the FD snub, he is not in good form these days sadly. I feel tester could easily break in but has to stop making silly game-losing mistakes.
Other names to look out for: Ace, Alive, theSTC, HuK, ret, sjow, SCfOu, Byun, ensnare, July
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On February 18 2011 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best. The only foreigner on the list is White-Ra. Everyone else has played on the Korean server for the past five months at least. (shorter for HuK? He's still top 10 on the ladder...he beat Nestea, he plays vs Koreans...like I said, 10 could have gone to Ace or another player too)
As a lot of people can attest to, the top players on ladders mean almost nothing. You have to be able to prove yourself in the competitive arena. That removes Huk. While Idra has played in the GSL for a while and is pretty consistent, many other players constantly play and rank better than him. He's too predictable. White-Ra proves he can win tournaments, but against who? The best Europe has to offer? If he attempts the GSL and places far, I'll admit he is good, but currently he is playing against randoms. Imagine if an BW A-teamer played in all BW tournaments in Europe. Wouldn't that be one-sided. It doesn't mean anything. Yet.
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Pretty accurate except towards the end. I wonder if we'll ever see an SC2 power rank. I'd like to wait until at least a year after release.
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I agree about White-Ra perhaps not deserving that spot. However, it truly is impossible to compare; that choice was arbitrary and based on my personal opinion.
I also agree partly about Bomber, but I disagree with Zenio. Zenio's not really that good, at least from what he displayed last season and the seasons before as well. I think Ace definitely deserves recognition before Zenio. As for Bomber, I would have included him if he didn't throw his game vs MvP. Although it was a brilliant comeback by MvP (and I don't discredit anything he did) Bomber threw that game. Bomber also hasn't really been around much, and I don't believe he's in the code A tournament either.
I thought theSTC was in the military?
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On February 18 2011 09:45 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:On February 18 2011 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best. The only foreigner on the list is White-Ra. Everyone else has played on the Korean server for the past five months at least. (shorter for HuK? He's still top 10 on the ladder...he beat Nestea, he plays vs Koreans...like I said, 10 could have gone to Ace or another player too) As a lot of people can attest to, the top players on ladders mean almost nothing. You have to be able to prove yourself in the competitive arena. That removes Huk. While Idra has played in the GSL for a while and is pretty consistent, many other players constantly play and rank better than him. He's too predictable. White-Ra proves he can win tournaments, but against who? The best Europe has to offer? If he attempts the GSL and places far, I'll admit he is good, but currently he is playing against randoms. Imagine if an BW A-teamer played in all BW tournaments in Europe. Wouldn't that be one-sided. It doesn't mean anything. Yet.
BW is much older than SC2, you can't make that argument with this IMO. Jinro and Idra were doing really well in NA and their performance in GSL since has been pretty similar, I think. If you're the best foreigner in SC2 and are earning so much money, you can't discount results just because of locality. So I would agree that the placement is questionable, but I don't agree that it is dismissible.
As for HuK, I strongly disagree with you. He's beaten Idra and Nestea, he plays with the rest of the oGs house and practices with the best Protoss in the world. You can't just dismiss the ladder because it isn't the same atmosphere as a tournament. MvP was at the top of the Korean ladder for quite a while (and if I'm not mistaken, still is). Statistically, the ladder is the best source of pure data. Of course, it isn't 100% representative, but you can't just wave it away.
As for Idra, you're blatantly wrong. I'm not a fan of Idra's style. I think he relies too much on macro, but he clearly is consistent. He's won games against Clide, Check, Ensnare, Nada, Genius, Rainbow, and Jinro last season. Zerg isn't doing well lately, and he's the only Zerg besides Nestea who made the round of 8. He's more consistent than any other non-Nestea Zerg too.
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The only one I really disagree with is oGsTOP, I think there are lots of players in Korea and foreignerland that could consistently beat him in a BO7.
Tester, Clide, Kyrix, NaDa, HuK, Ret, IdrA, White-Ra, MorroW, Inca.
His perfomances definitely don't warrant a spot above IdrA if we're going to focus purely on that.
For the rest a good PR I'd say
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Ret and Morrow both deserve honorable mentions imo.
Morrow has been beasting sooo much stuff in EU.
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Props for sticking your neck out like this. Now prepare for the inevitable shitstorm of complaints 
You should also throw in a CBNC at the end, 1) to do justice to those, like Ace, who didn't quite make it, and 2) to keep with tradition. As for the actual PR, I don't feel knowledgeable/opinionated enough to critique your choices. Good work!
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TOP is too high
Ret should be top 7
Dunno why HuK is even in the top 10, I'd put YongHwa or Ace ahead of him.
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. Marineking
4. MC
5. Jinro
6. Squirtle
7. Ret
8. IdrA
9. YongHwa
10. Ace
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Why Ret at 7? He hasn't done jack lately. He lost to Cezanne in the code A tournament. On the other hand, TOP won the code A tournament.
We've seen Yonghwa play what, four times?
And Ace over HuK, again, I almost did the same. Personal opinion there I suppose.
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On February 18 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why Ret at 7? He hasn't done jack lately. He lost to Cezanne in the code A tournament. On the other hand, TOP won the code A tournament.
We've seen Yonghwa play what, four times?
And Ace over HuK, again, I almost did the same. Personal opinion there I suppose.
Ret won Assembly just a few days ago, MorroW placed second -_-'
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you are in no position to make this list of ranking lol....
lots of things to argue about but yeah, i disagree with most of the order :<
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Added stuff. (cbnc, shoutouts) thanks for the reminder, flowerbedofdreams
You disagree? Which placements, why, and who would you replace them with? TBH I think 1-5 are kinda rigid, the rest are somewhat debatable, but hey, you're entitled to an opinion.
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I agree, it would be nice to see a power rank for sc2. At this point, it can't be as accurate as the one for Brood War because sc2 simply lacks the amount of time the game as been out and the amount of tournaments and leagues. But it would still be interesting to see.
Pretty good list in any case, but with the way gsls have been going, could have an entirely different set of players next month.
It seems every GSL we have a new player or two that completely dominates the rest.
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MC should be 3, not MKP.
HuK, even though I love him, doesn't deserve that spot, neither does White-Ra. I'd put players like Nada, or even Younghwa above him. He just hasn't proven himself.
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Huk over Ret when Ret won assmebly? List has some major holes
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lets base ratings over one tourny?
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Lol I'm really not understanding this Ret overvaluation. I suppose we'll see if he can progress in Code A this month.
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Imo, top is too high, putting him over idra when all he accomplished was managing to get into code S vs idra's accomplishments in all of the GSL's.
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overall really good power rank, way better than what I expected coming in and probably better than what I could have come up with myself. The end is a bit messy, especially Huk, who really hasn't accomplished too much. Power Rank isn't really supposed to be how you think is best skillwise, but who has performed the best this month, so you can't really use ladder to justify his ranking.
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Getting into code S was not the only thing TOP did. He also beat MC 4-0 (in his best matchup). On one hand we have people here saying Ret should be there (when he lost first round of the Code A tournament) whereas on the other hand people are saying that TOP should be lower because he "only" won the Code A tournament. Huge contradictions there.
As for HuK; again, you can't base everything on results right now because there honestly aren't any, not even for some of the top 6-7. MC only made it to RO16 and he hasn't done anything since, does that mean he's a worse player than Ret because Ret won assembly? I don't think so.
Fact is, we've watched HuK play. He defeated Nestea on a fair map in a long macro game. He's been displaying consistency on his stream against world class players, and this is something I've witnessed for weeks. For the other players who have potential for that spot, we don't have enough information. We've seen Ace play a couple times, but you can't evaluate his skill on 3 games. You can go watch dozens of HuK's against S-class players on his stream, though.
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Point taken, I didn't follow closely enough to know TOP 4-0'd oGsMC. Still, Idra has displayed consistently good results across multiple GSL tournies. Say what you want about him being predictable or robotic or not creative he obviously does something right to be getting the results he does.
I don't much like Ret being in power rankings, and really the only changes I would make would be to switch Idra and TOP and jinro and MC.
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I have to kindly disagree about Idra haha. In GSL 1 Top performed better than Idra did. In fact, he ultimately lost to the champion, Fruitdealer. So we can disregard GSL 1.
In Season 2 Idra won against some random in chickencombo, then against oGsGon (who is more of a coach than a player) and then got stomped in the face by Zenio. Not particularly special.
In Season 3 Idra's performance wasn't much better, but he did take a game off MVP. At the time MVP was not as good as he is now, granted. I think it took until after GSL 3 for him to truly shape up and start kicking ass (both players, in fact)
Season 4 was commendable, but I don't think Idra did as well as people think. He admitted himself he had an easy bracket, that he got lucky, and that by all means he should not have made it so far. His only real wins, IMO, came against Ensnare and Check. Everything else was due to a fault in the other player. Genius gifted him a game, Nada was hiding a build, and Clide basically was too stubborn to get antiair in time and blew a 20 worker lead by playing like a jackass.
His series vs Jinro kinda exposed his one-dimensionality, his inability to adapt, and his overall lackluster as an S class player. He's S-class, but IMO he doesn't have what it takes right now to ever win a GSL, or even break into the semifinals. He has to vary his play and get over his mental hump that Zerg suck so bad that you autolose 50% of the time. I mean, really, despite what you think of balance, you don't leave a game just because you get bunkered in. That's not the mentality of a champion, that's the mentality of someone who WILL lose. If Idra continues with that attitude he's not going to move up.
Just look at Jinro. He has the mentality of a champion. Using mech against Protoss, when no one has been seriously using it? And not just any Protoss, but the best Protoss. He's delivered results and his attitude is such that he will continue to deliver results. Idra? I dunno. Even since Broodwar I don't feel like Idra has matured enough as a player to warrant significant praise.
With that said, I feel like Idra deserves credit for qualifying for all 3 open seasons, something not many other players were able to do. I also feel like he played well enough in GSL 4, with an unexpected RO8 appearance, that he deserves recognition.
I disagree that TOP should be below Idra, and this is primarily because TOP has performed better against S class players than Idra has (in both series and in single matches.) TOP is also not one-dimensional. Idra is.
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We all love HuK but he has no place in the top ten, or even the top 20 at this point.
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lmao at Huk at #10 for PR. ![[image loading]](http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/1076.png)
At best Huk is barely S-class level. Winning a game or two on the ladder means nothing. Even IMMvp loses 1/3 of his games on the ladder. It doesn't mean he won't rolfstomp his opponents in the GSL. Results > popularity.
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We'll see. I'll be updating this as things change.
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small gripe, but hasn't nestea lost a zvz game late in GSL2 or something? (but still won the series)
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On February 20 2011 19:20 SpoR wrote:
small gripe, but hasn't nestea lost a zvz game late in GSL2 or something? (but still won the series)
He hasn't lost a single zvz or zvp in any tournament he has participated so far.
MVP and Nestea definitely deserve their spots, and I'd put MC in 3rd. As for the rest, you can't really rank them, I don't really think there's much disparity between a lot of the top players in korea.
For me it would look like this.
1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. MC
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On February 21 2011 02:10 netherDrake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 19:20 SpoR wrote:
small gripe, but hasn't nestea lost a zvz game late in GSL2 or something? (but still won the series) He hasn't lost a single zvz or zvp in any tournament he has participated so far. MVP and Nestea definitely deserve their spots, and I'd put MC in 3rd. As for the rest, you can't really rank them, I don't really think there's much disparity between a lot of the top players in korea. For me it would look like this. 1. MVP 2. Nestea 3. MC
IDK haha I think Nestea's non ZvT is better than MVP's TvZ. I think the only reason Nestea is not better than MVP is because of the current state of Zerg, particularly ZvT.
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