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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 01:33:37
February 18 2011 00:06 GMT
#1
So a lot of people were saying that there should be a power rank for SC2, in the oGsMC>all thread. I thought I'd take a crack at it, and see what other people think. I'll be sure to add pictures and whatnot later; I'm just gonna put in the text for now. Comments and discussion are welcome

1. IMMvP
This is an easy pick, IMO. There is no doubt that MVP is the best player in the world; people have been saying that this guy is amazing since before GSL season 2. His "weak" matchup seems to be TvP, but, let's be honest, even that isn't weak. He has defeated the best players in the world of all races multiple times, and he only dropped one game to his teammate Nestea during his GSL championship win. He looked flawless in his demolition of Marineking's bio style TvT in the finals, and he performed exceedingly well during the GSTL as well.

2. IMNesTea
The best Zerg in the world, hands down, is Nestea. He has not dropped a ZvZ game in tournament play, EVER, as far as I know. Last GSL he cruised through undefeated until he had to play the Game Genie, his teammate MVP. His macro is phenomenal, and his micro is pretty sick too. He has the best understanding of the game of arguably any pro player currently in the field. His experience as a coach for KT, and his time with
players like Flash and nal_rA has definitely given him an edge in gamesense and decision making in SC2. The only player I would believe is capable of winning a best of 7 against Nestea is MVP.

3. MarinekingPrime.WE
Although I think his TvT style is beatable quite easily in its current state, I think MKP deserves this spot more than other players for several reasons. I will outline some of the reasons in following ranks for the other players for why they aren't here instead, but here I will discuss why MKP deserves this rank.

Marineking is arguably the most stylistic player who currently plays Starcraft, both in BW and in SC2. In some ways, his TvT can draw parallels to Bisu's PvZ. Both players do things that no other player could do to win. Both players rely strongly on mobility and timing, as opposed to turtling or using high-cost high-efficiency hard hitter units. Both players are also pretty boys with their
respective fan girls :p Marineking has shown consistency throughout his matchups since GSL2. He's the only player to have made the finals twice, and he is still one of the scariest Terrans in both TvZ and TvT. His play is so stylistic that it forces others to play differently, and it's clearly downed many good players because of their lack of familiarity with the kind of things MKP does. For now, though, MKP has some work ahead of him to refine his play so that he is not the first SC2 silver surfer.

4. oGsMC Number 4 was a hard choice to make. There are things about MC's play that could merit moving him up to 3, and there are things that could justify moving him to 5. However, I strongly feel that MC is still an incredibly strong Protoss, and quite easily the best Protoss right now. Recently he hasn't done as well as his GSL3 performance, and even his PvT has shown holes as exemplified by TOP's 4-0 of MC during Kaspersky last month. Jinro, likewise, caught MC off guard twice and redeemed himself with mech. Even so, MC still looks incredibly strong. During the GSTL he showed both his brilliance and weakness against IM. His defense of Seed's PvP cheese was very clutch, but his build against MvP was very questionable. It'll be interesting to see how MC performs this month in the GSL: will he be shown to be slumping, or will he prove all his haters wrong and rip apart all of his opponents? We can only wait to see what becomes of the Kratos Protoss.

5. Liquid'Jinro
Jinro captured the hearts and minds of SC2 players around the world by stomping MC not once, but twice with mech last month. He then continued on to defeat Idra 3-1 to make the round of 4 twice in a row, proving for everyone that the Gorilla Terran doesn't need luck; he relies on pure muscle. Yet, Jinro has shown to us that he doesn't just year through his opponents with sheer force alone. His micro shows delicate finesse that isn't even seen among players who have seen better results. His banshee micro in his group game against MKP was the work of an artisan. Unfortunately, Jinro showed that he isn't invulnerable by losing to MKP in the RO4. While this is nothing to be ashamed of, the lack of scouting and the psychological unawareness were the primary reasons MKP was able to beat out Jinro. Jinro should have won that series, in my opinion, but the basic errors he committed force me to place him lower than MC and MKP. Hopefully Jinro can continue to show consistency and strength, and prove to me that this placement is too low.

6.oGsTOP

The Code A winner from last season has performed brilliantly in the past two months. First was his performance during the Kaspersky New Year's invitational, where he defeated his teammates Zenio and MC quite handily. He was also clearly the player to beat during the Code A tournament, with the 4-3 finals against Byun being one of the most entertaining and high level TvTs we've seen yet. We didn't get to see his play much during the GSTL, as IMSeed used a tricky build to catch him off guard, but I hope to see more of his play during this upcoming GSL. He is in a moderately difficult group with Nada, Hongun, and TheBest, but I think he is still the strongest player in that group.

7. EGIdra
The Gracken performed really well in GSL last season, reaching the round of 8 with Jinro despite having to play such names as CheckPrime.WE, TSL_Clide, NSPGenius, and oGsNada. He 3-0ed his RO16 group and quite easily demonstrated that he is a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately, who knows) Idra is returning to the U.S. and we will not see a rematch between him and Clide next season.
Hopefully Idra will still be able to deliver here in North America (NASL anyone?) and will someday return to Korea to own up his opponents.

8. ST.Squirtle
Holy shit. If you haven't seen ST vs IM, go and grab your favorite snack and go watch that. In a best of 9 series, Squirtle was called forth to do away with MVP, and boy did he deliver. In what was the best PvT in SC2 I've ever seen, Squirtle and MVP took turns in trading blows over and over for an incredible amount of time. When the dust settled, Squirtle was the winner. This guy has shown that he can compete with the best of the best right now. He has displayed innovation, solid mechanical play, excellent macro, micro, decision making, and everything else under the sun. I nearly cried tears of joy when he chose to use a hallucinated Phoenix to warp in DTs on the high ground. Squirtle is one of the rising players in Korea right now, and hopefully we'll see his true potential in the Code A tournament this month.

9. White-Ra
While it's nearly impossible to make a comparison between White-Ra and the players who compete in the GSL, credit is due to this man.
White-Ra has been on fire recently, earning tons of cash and defeating big names on the European server in the process. He's defeated the likes of Naniwa and Morrow, and clearly he is one of the strongest players in SC2 right now, at least in terms of results. Hopefully we'll see White-Ra in Korea soon, where he may be able to display how good he truly is.

10. Liquid'HuK

Number 10 was honestly the hardest to choose among all of the excellent players on the scene right now. I narrowed down my choice to ST.Ace and HuK, and ultimately chose HuK because of his long-term ladder success, praise among teammates, and his overall level of pimp. HuK is the Pimp Protoss. He bitch slaps his opponents with his superb micro, and he has shown to us that he is capable of hanging with the likes of Nestea and Idra on the ladder. Unfortunately right now it looks like HuK is struggling with PvP, but I feel that his true potential will be seen in the Code A tournament later this month. I will be highly shocked if he doesn't make it to at least the round of 8, if not the finals. His ladder success and the games he streams suggest that he can definitely make it very far.

Close, but no cigar:

ST.Ace
Ace played really well during the GSTL recently, but we need to see more of him to know how he stacks up against the rest of these guys. Ace holds a special place in my heart, as I am an avid poker fan. On a different day, maybe tomorrow, I would have perhaps placed Ace at 10. However, something tells me HuK is more deserving of that position.

ST.Bomber
Bomber is the guy who is most recently known for the ST player who almost killed MVP. By all means, he should've lost to Losira, who paid full price for being too cocky, and he should've won vs MvP, but threw the game. A lot of talk has been going around about Bomber for a couple of months now, but his two games in the GSTL showed why he is an underachiever in terms of results: he plays well, but I don't know if there's really any significant justification or evidence for him being placed among the players on the list.

LeenockfOu
WTF Leenock? Y u no play in GSTL? Something has to be up with this guy. I wasn't convinced by his play in GSL4, and this young guy clearly has some stuff to learn. His performances in GSL2 and 3 were commendable, but that was too long ago to consider seriously now. There has to be a reason why the fOu coach decided not to pick Leenock against ST, and I have a feeling it's because Leenock hasn't been doing so well lately. Better luck next time.

The entirety of TSL
damn it Tester, stop throwing games away, and you'd be among the best Protoss. Instead you constantly underachieve because your decisionmaking, like your teammate, Fruitdealer, has been garbage as of late. Fruitdealer, why all the all-ins? Cut it out! Clide...cliiiiiide...I realize you're highly esteemed by Tastosis, but you gotta show some results. Sangho, you too.

Shoutouts

All the EU players
This includes Morrow, Naniwa, Sjow, Ret, TLO, etc. Unfortunately it's so hard to compare you to the Koreans that I only took liberty in including White-Ra cause he's been winning so much lately.

Incontrol
this is mostly just because you're an announcement whore and you've been doing a lot of good awesome coaching. Yay.

That's all for now. What do you all think? How would you place players? Who's going to move up and who's going to go down?

Feel free to call me a noob if you strongly disagree with anything I've put up here.


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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 00:14:14
February 18 2011 00:13 GMT
#2
totally agree with everything! which is pretty sick maybe swap mc for marineking but i probably wouldn't, + it looks silly having TZP in top3 lol.
MuffinFTW
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States235 Posts
February 18 2011 00:16 GMT
#3
You forgot about tons of other players and just put Squirtle a somewhat random. Genius, FruitDealer, Clide, Tester, Rainbow, and etc..
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
February 18 2011 00:20 GMT
#4
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Atila
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Cuba122 Posts
February 18 2011 00:21 GMT
#5
imho jinro should be 3rd

marinekings style isnt very strong (gsl 4 finals) and imo his wins are just because of how unorthodox it is. he is a solid player, but should be way below 3rd
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 18 2011 00:26 GMT
#6
None of those players have been playing well recently.

Genius is incredibly one dimensional. His micro is great, but till he learns how to play on more than one base he can't be considered with any of these players. Squirtle beat MVP, something no one else but Nestea has done recently, and he did it in a macro game. Squirtle also all-killed fOu. What have any of those other players done recently? ST never felt that fielding Rainbow was necessary. If he was better than Squirtle don't you think Rainbow would have played against IM? Clide lost to Ace, who is also not on the list. Clide hasn't proven himself worthy of praise recently, and neither have Fruitdealer or Tester. Fruitdealer has done literally nothing but take unnecessary risks and all-in instead of playing solidly. Tester seems to lose games he shouldn't because his decision making has been garbage as of late.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 18 2011 00:31 GMT
#7
On February 18 2011 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best.


The only foreigner on the list is White-Ra. Everyone else has played on the Korean server for the past five months at least. (shorter for HuK? He's still top 10 on the ladder...he beat Nestea, he plays vs Koreans...like I said, 10 could have gone to Ace or another player too)
Reason.SC2
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1047 Posts
February 18 2011 00:40 GMT
#8
Sorry to say but HuK and whitera don't deserve those spots. Bomber and Zenio should definitely be in there instead.

Good call on the FD snub, he is not in good form these days sadly. I feel tester could easily break in but has to stop making silly game-losing mistakes.

Other names to look out for: Ace, Alive, theSTC, HuK, ret, sjow, SCfOu, Byun, ensnare, July
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
February 18 2011 00:45 GMT
#9
On February 18 2011 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best.


The only foreigner on the list is White-Ra. Everyone else has played on the Korean server for the past five months at least. (shorter for HuK? He's still top 10 on the ladder...he beat Nestea, he plays vs Koreans...like I said, 10 could have gone to Ace or another player too)


As a lot of people can attest to, the top players on ladders mean almost nothing. You have to be able to prove yourself in the competitive arena. That removes Huk. While Idra has played in the GSL for a while and is pretty consistent, many other players constantly play and rank better than him. He's too predictable. White-Ra proves he can win tournaments, but against who? The best Europe has to offer? If he attempts the GSL and places far, I'll admit he is good, but currently he is playing against randoms. Imagine if an BW A-teamer played in all BW tournaments in Europe. Wouldn't that be one-sided. It doesn't mean anything. Yet.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
February 18 2011 00:46 GMT
#10
Pretty accurate except towards the end. I wonder if we'll ever see an SC2 power rank. I'd like to wait until at least a year after release.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 01:07:42
February 18 2011 00:47 GMT
#11
I agree about White-Ra perhaps not deserving that spot. However, it truly is impossible to compare; that choice was arbitrary and based on my personal opinion.

I also agree partly about Bomber, but I disagree with Zenio. Zenio's not really that good, at least from what he displayed last season and the seasons before as well. I think Ace definitely deserves recognition before Zenio. As for Bomber, I would have included him if he didn't throw his game vs MvP. Although it was a brilliant comeback by MvP (and I don't discredit anything he did) Bomber threw that game. Bomber also hasn't really been around much, and I don't believe he's in the code A tournament either.

I thought theSTC was in the military?

Edit:


On February 18 2011 09:45 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
On February 18 2011 09:20 Blisse wrote:
Too foreigner favoured I would say. Four foreigners when only one of them has even a marginal chance of being the best.


The only foreigner on the list is White-Ra. Everyone else has played on the Korean server for the past five months at least. (shorter for HuK? He's still top 10 on the ladder...he beat Nestea, he plays vs Koreans...like I said, 10 could have gone to Ace or another player too)


As a lot of people can attest to, the top players on ladders mean almost nothing. You have to be able to prove yourself in the competitive arena. That removes Huk. While Idra has played in the GSL for a while and is pretty consistent, many other players constantly play and rank better than him. He's too predictable. White-Ra proves he can win tournaments, but against who? The best Europe has to offer? If he attempts the GSL and places far, I'll admit he is good, but currently he is playing against randoms. Imagine if an BW A-teamer played in all BW tournaments in Europe. Wouldn't that be one-sided. It doesn't mean anything. Yet.


BW is much older than SC2, you can't make that argument with this IMO. Jinro and Idra were doing really well in NA and their performance in GSL since has been pretty similar, I think. If you're the best foreigner in SC2 and are earning so much money, you can't discount results just because of locality. So I would agree that the placement is questionable, but I don't agree that it is dismissible.

As for HuK, I strongly disagree with you. He's beaten Idra and Nestea, he plays with the rest of the oGs house and practices with the best Protoss in the world. You can't just dismiss the ladder because it isn't the same atmosphere as a tournament. MvP was at the top of the Korean ladder for quite a while (and if I'm not mistaken, still is). Statistically, the ladder is the best source of pure data. Of course, it isn't 100% representative, but you can't just wave it away.

As for Idra, you're blatantly wrong. I'm not a fan of Idra's style. I think he relies too much on macro, but he clearly is consistent. He's won games against Clide, Check, Ensnare, Nada, Genius, Rainbow, and Jinro last season. Zerg isn't doing well lately, and he's the only Zerg besides Nestea who made the round of 8. He's more consistent than any other non-Nestea Zerg too.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 00:49:15
February 18 2011 00:47 GMT
#12
The only one I really disagree with is oGsTOP, I think there are lots of players in Korea and foreignerland that could consistently beat him in a BO7.

Tester, Clide, Kyrix, NaDa, HuK, Ret, IdrA, White-Ra, MorroW, Inca.

His perfomances definitely don't warrant a spot above IdrA if we're going to focus purely on that.

For the rest a good PR I'd say
I think esports is pretty nice.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 18 2011 00:53 GMT
#13
Ret and Morrow both deserve honorable mentions imo.

Morrow has been beasting sooo much stuff in EU.
FlowerbedOfDreams
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada126 Posts
February 18 2011 01:01 GMT
#14
Props for sticking your neck out like this. Now prepare for the inevitable shitstorm of complaints

You should also throw in a CBNC at the end, 1) to do justice to those, like Ace, who didn't quite make it, and 2) to keep with tradition. As for the actual PR, I don't feel knowledgeable/opinionated enough to critique your choices. Good work!
"SKT is best KT." -Vortok
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
February 18 2011 01:03 GMT
#15
TOP is too high

Ret should be top 7

Dunno why HuK is even in the top 10, I'd put YongHwa or Ace ahead of him.

1. MVP
2. Nestea
3. Marineking
4. MC
5. Jinro
6. Squirtle
7. Ret
8. IdrA
9. YongHwa
10. Ace


wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 18 2011 01:09 GMT
#16
Why Ret at 7? He hasn't done jack lately. He lost to Cezanne in the code A tournament. On the other hand, TOP won the code A tournament.

We've seen Yonghwa play what, four times?

And Ace over HuK, again, I almost did the same. Personal opinion there I suppose.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
February 18 2011 01:10 GMT
#17
On February 18 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why Ret at 7? He hasn't done jack lately. He lost to Cezanne in the code A tournament. On the other hand, TOP won the code A tournament.

We've seen Yonghwa play what, four times?

And Ace over HuK, again, I almost did the same. Personal opinion there I suppose.


Ret won Assembly just a few days ago, MorroW placed second -_-'
I think esports is pretty nice.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 18 2011 01:18 GMT
#18
you are in no position to make this list of ranking lol....

lots of things to argue about but yeah, i disagree with most of the order :<
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 01:41:59
February 18 2011 01:36 GMT
#19
Added stuff. (cbnc, shoutouts) thanks for the reminder, flowerbedofdreams

You disagree? Which placements, why, and who would you replace them with? TBH I think 1-5 are kinda rigid, the rest are somewhat debatable, but hey, you're entitled to an opinion.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 01:59:01
February 18 2011 01:58 GMT
#20
I agree, it would be nice to see a power rank for sc2. At this point, it can't be as accurate as the one for Brood War because sc2 simply lacks the amount of time the game as been out and the amount of tournaments and leagues. But it would still be interesting to see.

Pretty good list in any case, but with the way gsls have been going, could have an entirely different set of players next month.

It seems every GSL we have a new player or two that completely dominates the rest.
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