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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
February 18 2011 03:44 GMT
#21
MC should be 3, not MKP.

HuK, even though I love him, doesn't deserve that spot, neither does White-Ra. I'd put players like Nada, or even Younghwa above him. He just hasn't proven himself.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 18 2011 04:08 GMT
#22
Huk over Ret when Ret won assmebly? List has some major holes
socommaster123
Profile Joined May 2010
United States578 Posts
February 18 2011 04:08 GMT
#23
lets base ratings over one tourny?
Idra White Ra Sheth DRG SaSe Thorzain GOGO!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 18 2011 08:02 GMT
#24
Lol I'm really not understanding this Ret overvaluation. I suppose we'll see if he can progress in Code A this month.
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
February 18 2011 09:15 GMT
#25
Imo, top is too high, putting him over idra when all he accomplished was managing to get into code S vs idra's accomplishments in all of the GSL's.
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kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
February 18 2011 16:27 GMT
#26
overall really good power rank, way better than what I expected coming in and probably better than what I could have come up with myself. The end is a bit messy, especially Huk, who really hasn't accomplished too much. Power Rank isn't really supposed to be how you think is best skillwise, but who has performed the best this month, so you can't really use ladder to justify his ranking.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 18 2011 18:32 GMT
#27
Getting into code S was not the only thing TOP did. He also beat MC 4-0 (in his best matchup). On one hand we have people here saying Ret should be there (when he lost first round of the Code A tournament) whereas on the other hand people are saying that TOP should be lower because he "only" won the Code A tournament. Huge contradictions there.

As for HuK; again, you can't base everything on results right now because there honestly aren't any, not even for some of the top 6-7. MC only made it to RO16 and he hasn't done anything since, does that mean he's a worse player than Ret because Ret won assembly? I don't think so.

Fact is, we've watched HuK play. He defeated Nestea on a fair map in a long macro game. He's been displaying consistency on his stream against world class players, and this is something I've witnessed for weeks. For the other players who have potential for that spot, we don't have enough information. We've seen Ace play a couple times, but you can't evaluate his skill on 3 games. You can go watch dozens of HuK's against S-class players on his stream, though.
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
February 19 2011 05:58 GMT
#28
Point taken, I didn't follow closely enough to know TOP 4-0'd oGsMC. Still, Idra has displayed consistently good results across multiple GSL tournies. Say what you want about him being predictable or robotic or not creative he obviously does something right to be getting the results he does.


I don't much like Ret being in power rankings, and really the only changes I would make would be to switch Idra and TOP and jinro and MC.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 19 2011 08:16 GMT
#29
I have to kindly disagree about Idra haha. In GSL 1 Top performed better than Idra did. In fact, he ultimately lost to the champion, Fruitdealer. So we can disregard GSL 1.

In Season 2 Idra won against some random in chickencombo, then against oGsGon (who is more of a coach than a player) and then got stomped in the face by Zenio. Not particularly special.

In Season 3 Idra's performance wasn't much better, but he did take a game off MVP. At the time MVP was not as good as he is now, granted. I think it took until after GSL 3 for him to truly shape up and start kicking ass (both players, in fact)

Season 4 was commendable, but I don't think Idra did as well as people think. He admitted himself he had an easy bracket, that he got lucky, and that by all means he should not have made it so far. His only real wins, IMO, came against Ensnare and Check. Everything else was due to a fault in the other player. Genius gifted him a game, Nada was hiding a build, and Clide basically was too stubborn to get antiair in time and blew a 20 worker lead by playing like a jackass.

His series vs Jinro kinda exposed his one-dimensionality, his inability to adapt, and his overall lackluster as an S class player. He's S-class, but IMO he doesn't have what it takes right now to ever win a GSL, or even break into the semifinals. He has to vary his play and get over his mental hump that Zerg suck so bad that you autolose 50% of the time. I mean, really, despite what you think of balance, you don't leave a game just because you get bunkered in. That's not the mentality of a champion, that's the mentality of someone who WILL lose. If Idra continues with that attitude he's not going to move up.

Just look at Jinro. He has the mentality of a champion. Using mech against Protoss, when no one has been seriously using it? And not just any Protoss, but the best Protoss. He's delivered results and his attitude is such that he will continue to deliver results. Idra? I dunno. Even since Broodwar I don't feel like Idra has matured enough as a player to warrant significant praise.

With that said, I feel like Idra deserves credit for qualifying for all 3 open seasons, something not many other players were able to do. I also feel like he played well enough in GSL 4, with an unexpected RO8 appearance, that he deserves recognition.

I disagree that TOP should be below Idra, and this is primarily because TOP has performed better against S class players than Idra has (in both series and in single matches.) TOP is also not one-dimensional. Idra is.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
February 19 2011 09:16 GMT
#30
We all love HuK but he has no place in the top ten, or even the top 20 at this point.
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vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 15:30:27
February 19 2011 15:29 GMT
#31
lmao at Huk at #10 for PR. [image loading]

At best Huk is barely S-class level. Winning a game or two on the ladder means nothing. Even IMMvp loses 1/3 of his games on the ladder. It doesn't mean he won't rolfstomp his opponents in the GSL. Results > popularity.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 20 2011 09:09 GMT
#32
We'll see. I'll be updating this as things change.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
February 20 2011 10:20 GMT
#33
small gripe, but hasn't nestea lost a zvz game late in GSL2 or something? (but still won the series)
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
February 20 2011 17:10 GMT
#34
On February 20 2011 19:20 SpoR wrote:
small gripe, but hasn't nestea lost a zvz game late in GSL2 or something? (but still won the series)


He hasn't lost a single zvz or zvp in any tournament he has participated so far.

MVP and Nestea definitely deserve their spots, and I'd put MC in 3rd. As for the rest, you can't really rank them, I don't really think there's much disparity between a lot of the top players in korea.

For me it would look like this.

1. MVP





2. Nestea
3. MC
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 21 2011 01:58 GMT
#35
On February 21 2011 02:10 netherDrake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 19:20 SpoR wrote:
small gripe, but hasn't nestea lost a zvz game late in GSL2 or something? (but still won the series)


He hasn't lost a single zvz or zvp in any tournament he has participated so far.

MVP and Nestea definitely deserve their spots, and I'd put MC in 3rd. As for the rest, you can't really rank them, I don't really think there's much disparity between a lot of the top players in korea.

For me it would look like this.

1. MVP





2. Nestea
3. MC


IDK haha I think Nestea's non ZvT is better than MVP's TvZ. I think the only reason Nestea is not better than MVP is because of the current state of Zerg, particularly ZvT.
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