Of course it is possible, there is no doubt about it.

The only question is if you can do it.

And my suggestion is to play this game to have fun. If you are having fun by 4gating often then do it, there is nothing wrong about it.

I personally am having much more fun when I am doing a very wide range of builds and strategies.

lolsixtynine

United States600 Posts

February 08 2011 21:12 GMT

#42

I actually think it's really interesting to watch streams like this. Watching high-level players execute the same build over and over again really well is one of the best ways to really understand that part of a matchup and get a feel for the timings.

Seeing as in PvP the 4-gate is actually the most common build even at GSL level play, I have no doubt that you could break into the top 200 using only 4-gates (with wins coming mostly from PvP and PvZ) if you played well enough.

SoL[9]

Portugal1370 Posts

February 08 2011 21:17 GMT

#43

I did from bronze to master only 4 gate...The only 3 things i achievement with this was getting in master, get the tassadar icon and lost all motivation to play.
Gl

Ratel

Canada184 Posts

February 08 2011 21:18 GMT

#44

i know people who proxy gated their way to masters which is even worse than 4gate
you can theoretically 6pool/cannon rush/bunker rush ur way to masters if you play enough games
no sure what are you trying to prove here.

Smurphy

United States374 Posts

February 08 2011 21:20 GMT

#45

I enjoy reading about this project. I am a random Diamond player who knows absolutely no build orders. My only strength is my diligence to repetitive tasks: I make workers, supply, and produce out of structures fairly well. I don't know the exact build order for a 4-gate, 3-rax or a bling bust. I wing every battle. I am very interesting in seeing how a well executed simple plan does because I get to see how much room I have to improve by learning those builds and executing them properly.

I found this quote from the stream especially amusing:
"It's not my fault I am playing easy mode Protoss."

Interesting perspective.

ZaplinG

United States3818 Posts

February 08 2011 21:20 GMT

#46

On February 09 2011 05:32 XXXSmOke wrote:
Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion

Sorry but this is not true.

If a build is so powerful that any moderately skilled person can do only it and still achieve the highest ranking, it then becomes a great commentary on the balance of starcraft 2.

It is an essential part of testing that you put into action the strongest build you can think of and see how far it goes.

We are still in part 1 of 3 as far as the series goes. The game can only be said to be complete after the third expansion. Any new information produced now will allow for better balance in the future. Starcraft vanillla was imbalanced. Starcraft: Broodwar was about as close as you can get to perfect balance. Starcraft 2 is almost there, but is has failed to proved relatively stable results in the highest levels of general competition, (ie, even having the possibility to 4warp gate your way to masters).

Ratel

Canada184 Posts

February 08 2011 21:22 GMT

#47

On February 09 2011 06:20 ZaplinG wrote:

Show nested quote +

HERE WE GO AGAIN
you guys are just looking for imbalances in the game arent you?
every single race has their easy to execute builds that work well in lower and higher leagues
getting into masters does not mean being good by any means - fucking pathetic what i am reading here

Omigawa

United States1556 Posts

February 08 2011 21:24 GMT

#48

You won't make it, Ray. You're no BrokenRythm. Or Gemini for that matter.

Sea.3PO

Canada77 Posts

February 08 2011 21:26 GMT

#49

You are in ppg, so isnt that a somewhat decent clan? I have heard of ppgbubbles but no others, but I will assume you are decent for being in it. So like, assuming you are already masters level this doesn't really prove much as you will most likely choose the right way to transition if your 4 gate fails or something similar. It's just an opening so of course if you are already of that level you can probably make it work regardless. It should still be interesting to follow, but the caliber of the player is much more important than the opening build order imo so if you get to masters, it will be more because you were the one playing rather than the strat you were using.

barkles

United States285 Posts

February 08 2011 21:28 GMT

#50

Honestly I can't see this working at all. As a terran player in low masters, I rarely if ever lose to 4-warpgate builds, especially if I'm going for some type of one-base play (Polt push or similar). With the popularity of one base play in TvP and mutual 4-gate in PvP, I just don't see it happening.

cheapfood

United States56 Posts

February 08 2011 21:34 GMT

#51

i have a friend who played about 30 games of 4 gate and was 25-5, and in masters.

Disconnect

United States84 Posts

February 08 2011 21:37 GMT

#52

You can use any decent strategy every single game and get into Master's because it's all best of one.

mustache

Switzerland309 Posts

February 08 2011 21:41 GMT

#53

Why could you not 4 gate to masters? 90% of protoss games on the ladder are 4 gate.

ducis

Canada96 Posts

February 08 2011 21:44 GMT

#54

I am so sick and tired on threads like this.

of course you can 4wg to masters, of course you can win all your games with a 200 supply army, of course you can do nothing but cheese.

the real question is if anyone cares... I dont

alepov

Netherlands1132 Posts

February 08 2011 21:44 GMT

#55

stream link

Velocirapture

United States983 Posts

February 08 2011 21:45 GMT

#56

This is as meaningless as saying "can I M/m/M into masters?" or "can i roach rush/bling bust into masters?". Of course you can! Believe it or not, these strategies can be refined to have surgical precision (just ask Idra) and as this is the case they benefit hugely from being executed by a skilled player.
In short, a masters 4 gate is a WHOLE different animal than a bronze four gate. Add that to its natural power and it becomes a legitimate pro-level strat.

FawxzTV

Sweden178 Posts

February 08 2011 21:50 GMT

#57

I'll put the link here since people have been asking.

http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ppgButtercup

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

February 08 2011 22:32 GMT

#58

On February 09 2011 06:08 zyzski wrote:

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find this really hard to believe

Considering how generally terrible most SC2 players are, and the fact some absolute garbage players ive recognized have gotten high places on ladder i find it very possible

GenesisX

Canada4267 Posts

February 08 2011 22:59 GMT

#59

IMO, 4 gate is the strongest cheese in the entire game. Of course this is possible, but eventually people will be able to find a way to consistently stop it. I wouldn't waste your time with this since 4 gate does nothing to improve your mechanics at all. It's just a gimmicky cheese exploited to get an easy win.

ppgButtercup

United States159 Posts

February 08 2011 23:07 GMT

#60

Thank you all for watching. I'll probably start this up again on Thursday to finish. I'm probably half way through Diamond... I assume I can hit masters in one more play session. Right now I've done roughly two play sessions?

Anyways, appreciate the feedback and comments. Hope ya'll are having fun watching. I'm actually learning quite a bit about the timings 4-gate can hit, and the different varients. Its kinda fun to be doing this from the delivering end insted of the receiving.

And for those asking, here is a link to my primary account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/527723/1/ppgButtercup/

I'm a 2700+ Master Zerg.