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It used to be common information that someone could 4-gate their way into Diamond league (pre-masters). However, Master league is considered more prestigious and difficult to get into.
I've had people tell me it can't really be done without a tremendous amount of games played, and I'm setting out to prove them wrong.
I started on a Silver account and have been working my way up. Follow me on my stream to see my progress! You can get to my stream under the non-featured streams on the side bar: ppgButtercup
If you have any suggestions on 4-warp variations I should implement to my arsenal feel free to post them here. The build "MUST" be a 4-gate build that does not focus on expanding.
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Direct Link to Ustream
Teamliquid.net Stream Link
4-Gate Replays: Rambozo
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I completed my trip to Master League. Currently my MMR is over 2800+ Master range based on my opponents. My final stats were: 71-29 1097.Master
Again, note that probably 18 wins and 14 losses were on the account before I started 4-warping. It took me a total of three play sessions to hit Master League from Silver. I averaged roughly an 80% win ratio from when I started.
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pretty lame but I bet you can do it. yesterday I played a high ranked diamond guy who's first units warped in a 7:30 for his 4 gate. wtf
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so you are openly saying you are a dick and you want us to watch you 4gating every single game. Am i right?
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4 gate prism
4 gate forge with + 1 attack researching while attacking
Proxy 2 gate into 4 gate forge (use cannons to protect the proxy gates lolol)
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Yeah it's possible. Nothing to be proud of though. You're just going to be demoted once you get bored of 4 gating every single game.
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Diamond is terrible now (I'm mid Masters and I dominate everyone on my friend's Diamond account), so yes you can easily 4gate to Masters.
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On February 09 2011 05:17 ApBuLLet wrote:
Yeah it's possible. Nothing to be proud of though. You're just going to be demoted once you get bored of 4 gating every single game.
He's using a different account. He's actually a masters zerg.
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On February 09 2011 05:16 Bruky wrote:
so you are openly saying you are a dick and you want us to watch you 4gating every single game. Am i right?
He said he was a dick? Could you quote that part because I couldn't find it.
If you pull this off I'm switching to protoss 
But yeah, I doubt people will be interested in watching hundreds of 4 gates in a row. Good luck!
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I, for one, will be following this.
I am curious if it's possible or not 4-gating into Masters. It's always been the consensus that it's not possible because pros counter it well, but we will soon find out!
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link to ur stream pls.. its not in the list
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now it is
lol
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Ofcourse its possible, people are 4-gating their way into GSL already!
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the idea itself is pretty terrible. i think its the persons skills that allow them to advance to new leagues not builds. i'm confident any build i decide on for any race i can compete in masters with as long as it isn't something ridiculous like expand 3 times before pool..
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Perhaps if more and more people get into Masters via 4gating, Blizz will try to figure out a way to provide more strat variety for protoss. I'm saying this as a protoss player myself, and I'm starting to get sick of all the 4 gates I'm seeing my P opponents do (it's like 95% of my pvp matches).
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4-gate is a legit strategy. Of course you can 4-gate your way into masters.
Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's imbalanced. There are plenty of ways to defeat a 4-gate.
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On February 09 2011 05:23 e4e5nf3 wrote:
Perhaps if more and more people get into Masters via 4gating, Blizz will try to figure out a way to provide more strat variety for protoss. I'm saying this as a protoss player myself, and I'm starting to get sick of all the 4 gates I'm seeing my P opponents do (it's like 95% of my pvp matches).
well most of the time its the only valuable strat you can do sadly, just like a lot of other strats based on certain maps of other races
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i would be shocked if you dont menage. I played like 30 games with toss, still menaged to 4 gate some almost 3k zergs while offracing
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On February 09 2011 05:21 KillerPlague wrote:
the idea itself is pretty terrible. i think its the persons skills that allow them to advance to new leagues not builds. i'm confident any build i decide on for any race i can compete in masters with as long as it isn't something ridiculous like expand 3 times before pool..
only 1/2 true. It's the ease at wich certain builds can be executed that augment a player's already established skill/understanding of the game.
I used to 15 hatch every game vs every race, and while it's a good build(vs T) I was a shoddy player and it cost me many a game. This is NOT necessarily proof of what you claimed, it's just that the concepts fueling 15 hatch play go deeper than simply "macro, micro and you win!" - it comes down to execution, positioning, scouting, and game-sense. You get an early nat, but what you do with it is completely flexible and dependent on reacting to what the other guy is doing. You need to be macroing, microing, scouting, teching and have a good sense of what you're opponent is doing, as well as what you need to do in response to it.
On the contrary: 4 gating is pretty straight forward - you're being aggressive extremely early on. The all-in probe-cutting variant is even more so because you don't have to worry about expanding or teching whatsoever. The only trials you're in for are overcoming bad macro and micro, and once those are ironed out you have a really solid build that doesn't require much thought beyond: Constantly re-enforce, engage correctly and you win. For the most part you win/lose not based on personal skill, but your opponent's response. (they let you forcefield their ramp, it's kinda auto-gg as well)
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It's quite easy infact, ofcourse you need to start on a new account where you have a very mmr from very little wins, you can probably win 30/45 of your battles, which should place you in master.
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Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion
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Yes, unless you are a terrible 4gater i would put money that you can 4gate your way to masters. I don't see anything spectacular going on here.
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On February 09 2011 05:19 weeba2933 wrote:
I, for one, will be following this.
I am curious if it's possible or not 4-gating into Masters. It's always been the consensus that it's not possible because pros counter it well, but we will soon find out!
Yes it will probably work simply because beeing in Masters has nothing to do with beeing pro (The actual pros are quite good at dealing with it) 
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4 gates all in or 4 gates expand ~ 4 gates strategy is easy to defeat with good micro.
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well, since you can 4gate in the GSL, i guess you can do it in master to, but expect a lower successrate
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I got so angry about getting 4 gated by toss.. That I decided to switch to toss for a while and only 4 gate. 3k Masters. I went 7-3. Redic powerfull build.
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If you were a master's player already there's no doubt you can 4-gate your way into masters. Curious to see how high you can get there (i.e. Higher than the rating on your normal account?).
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i 4 warp gated (blink stalker) to near the top of the ladder but it was all time wasted it did NOT make me a better starcraft player and only made me dissatisfied with my true skill level knowing i could be ranked much higher just warpgate rushing every game  .
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No, it's unpossible. Why would you even try?
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you want to prove whats already proven by half of the tosses that are up there?
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One of my practice partners is a protoss who recently got into masters a week ago. We were both mid diamond before they added masters and hadn't laddered much in december.
He's generally a macro player and prefers 2+ bases and longer games. He was having solid success across the board, winning over 50% but still with runs of losses and wins and no promotion as his points kept adding up. Even though I'm still in diamond, it's mostly cause i've laddered about 15 games since masters got added. I play mostly masters players, and plenty in KOTH and customs and he was definetly at or above the level of most master protoss players i was getting matched against.
So he got really pissed off after a few weeks and went on an " I'm going to 4gate everyone till i'm in masters" rage induced ladder binge. Initially I think he thought he'd realize 4 gating wasn't any better and just go back to his standard play after 5-10 games. He's very proficient at a variety of 4 gates, sentry micro, gas timings, denying scouting, etc. Not some noob doing it. He used a 1 gas stalker/zealot on most of the time, only going k4g or sentry/zealot every so often based on maps, matchups, and scouting. I think he went 12-0 to start, and something like 25-4 over the course of 2 days and got promoted. Even he was kind of shocked by how effective it still was vs. so many experienced opponents and in every matchup. I was kind of jealous as a zerg player. I'd be pretty stoked if i had a general build I could use vs. all 3 races that guaranteed me a short game (generally sub 10 mins), a 50% or better chance at victory, and is pretty simple to execute with a little practice.
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On February 09 2011 05:32 XXXSmOke wrote:
Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion
Pretty much, you can use any viable build and get to masters if you execute it properly. Four gate is hardly a bronze only build, it is used in pro play to this day. Of course you can get to masters only four gating, but you can't get to masters four gating if you have the skill level of a gold player.
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I for one would like that u keep updating the op with your current level ...
I think this is legit ...
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On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg.
find this really hard to believe
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On February 09 2011 05:25 KevinIX wrote:
4-gate is a legit strategy. Of course you can 4-gate your way into masters.
Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's imbalanced. There are plenty of ways to defeat a 4-gate.
I hate when people say this. It's simply wrong. The effectiveness of something should be equal to how difficult it is to implement. If one player can simply A-click across the map and the other must do 20 things at once to just BARELY stop it, it's imbalanced. That's why you have Protoss and Terran players in Masters who don't know how to transition out of 4-gate or 2-rax. Makes for stupid tournament matches and terrible games.
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On February 09 2011 06:08 zyzski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg. find this really hard to believe
It's quite a strong build that still benefits from perfect execution. It also wins games quickly so you'll have a lot of wins faster than a macro player. Why would it be hard to believe?
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Every competent protoss player in top 200 right now can 4-gate into Masters for sure. I still win games even doing this in PvT and PvZ.
In fact, I can probably choose T and go 1 base 3 rax banshee scv-pull timing pushes every matchup and still make it into Masters.
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Is silver league your "real" skill?
If you are good enough you could probaby employ a large variety of builds, and pick one of them and do it all the way up to diamond by just being very much better than your opponents.
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On February 09 2011 06:08 zyzski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg. find this really hard to believe
Why? 4WGP is a damn strong build on every skill level.
It definitely nothing special to get master just by 4gating.
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Of course it is possible, there is no doubt about it.
The only question is if you can do it.
And my suggestion is to play this game to have fun. If you are having fun by 4gating often then do it, there is nothing wrong about it.
I personally am having much more fun when I am doing a very wide range of builds and strategies.
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I actually think it's really interesting to watch streams like this. Watching high-level players execute the same build over and over again really well is one of the best ways to really understand that part of a matchup and get a feel for the timings.
Seeing as in PvP the 4-gate is actually the most common build even at GSL level play, I have no doubt that you could break into the top 200 using only 4-gates (with wins coming mostly from PvP and PvZ) if you played well enough.
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I did from bronze to master only 4 gate...The only 3 things i achievement with this was getting in master, get the tassadar icon and lost all motivation to play.
Gl
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i know people who proxy gated their way to masters which is even worse than 4gate
you can theoretically 6pool/cannon rush/bunker rush ur way to masters if you play enough games
no sure what are you trying to prove here.
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I enjoy reading about this project. I am a random Diamond player who knows absolutely no build orders. My only strength is my diligence to repetitive tasks: I make workers, supply, and produce out of structures fairly well. I don't know the exact build order for a 4-gate, 3-rax or a bling bust. I wing every battle. I am very interesting in seeing how a well executed simple plan does because I get to see how much room I have to improve by learning those builds and executing them properly.
I found this quote from the stream especially amusing:
"It's not my fault I am playing easy mode Protoss."
Interesting perspective.
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On February 09 2011 05:32 XXXSmOke wrote:
Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion
Sorry but this is not true.
If a build is so powerful that any moderately skilled person can do only it and still achieve the highest ranking, it then becomes a great commentary on the balance of starcraft 2.
It is an essential part of testing that you put into action the strongest build you can think of and see how far it goes.
We are still in part 1 of 3 as far as the series goes. The game can only be said to be complete after the third expansion. Any new information produced now will allow for better balance in the future. Starcraft vanillla was imbalanced. Starcraft: Broodwar was about as close as you can get to perfect balance. Starcraft 2 is almost there, but is has failed to proved relatively stable results in the highest levels of general competition, (ie, even having the possibility to 4warp gate your way to masters).
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On February 09 2011 06:20 ZaplinG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 05:32 XXXSmOke wrote:
Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion Sorry but this is not true. If a build is so powerful that any moderately skilled person can do only it and still achieve the highest ranking, it then becomes a great commentary on the balance of starcraft 2. It is an essential part of testing that you put into action the strongest build you can think of and see how far it goes. We are still in part 1 of 3 as far as the series goes. The game can only be said to be complete after the third expansion. Any new information produced now will allow for better balance in the future. Starcraft vanillla was imbalanced. Starcraft: Broodwar was about as close as you can get to perfect balance. Starcraft 2 is almost there, but is has failed to proved relatively stable results in the highest levels of general competition, (ie, even having the possibility to 4warp gate your way to masters).
HERE WE GO AGAIN
you guys are just looking for imbalances in the game arent you?
every single race has their easy to execute builds that work well in lower and higher leagues
getting into masters does not mean being good by any means - fucking pathetic what i am reading here
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You won't make it, Ray. You're no BrokenRythm. Or Gemini for that matter.
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You are in ppg, so isnt that a somewhat decent clan? I have heard of ppgbubbles but no others, but I will assume you are decent for being in it. So like, assuming you are already masters level this doesn't really prove much as you will most likely choose the right way to transition if your 4 gate fails or something similar. It's just an opening so of course if you are already of that level you can probably make it work regardless. It should still be interesting to follow, but the caliber of the player is much more important than the opening build order imo so if you get to masters, it will be more because you were the one playing rather than the strat you were using.
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Honestly I can't see this working at all. As a terran player in low masters, I rarely if ever lose to 4-warpgate builds, especially if I'm going for some type of one-base play (Polt push or similar). With the popularity of one base play in TvP and mutual 4-gate in PvP, I just don't see it happening.
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i have a friend who played about 30 games of 4 gate and was 25-5, and in masters.
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You can use any decent strategy every single game and get into Master's because it's all best of one.
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Why could you not 4 gate to masters? 90% of protoss games on the ladder are 4 gate.
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I am so sick and tired on threads like this.
of course you can 4wg to masters, of course you can win all your games with a 200 supply army, of course you can do nothing but cheese.
the real question is if anyone cares... I dont
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This is as meaningless as saying "can I M/m/M into masters?" or "can i roach rush/bling bust into masters?". Of course you can! Believe it or not, these strategies can be refined to have surgical precision (just ask Idra) and as this is the case they benefit hugely from being executed by a skilled player.
In short, a masters 4 gate is a WHOLE different animal than a bronze four gate. Add that to its natural power and it becomes a legitimate pro-level strat.
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On February 09 2011 06:08 zyzski wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg. find this really hard to believe
Considering how generally terrible most SC2 players are, and the fact some absolute garbage players ive recognized have gotten high places on ladder i find it very possible
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IMO, 4 gate is the strongest cheese in the entire game. Of course this is possible, but eventually people will be able to find a way to consistently stop it. I wouldn't waste your time with this since 4 gate does nothing to improve your mechanics at all. It's just a gimmicky cheese exploited to get an easy win.
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Thank you all for watching. I'll probably start this up again on Thursday to finish. I'm probably half way through Diamond... I assume I can hit masters in one more play session. Right now I've done roughly two play sessions?
Anyways, appreciate the feedback and comments. Hope ya'll are having fun watching. I'm actually learning quite a bit about the timings 4-gate can hit, and the different varients. Its kinda fun to be doing this from the delivering end insted of the receiving.
And for those asking, here is a link to my primary account: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/527723/1/ppgButtercup/
I'm a 2700+ Master Zerg.
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Cool stream.
Could you recap what you were saying about 4gating PvT? I saw your 9Pv12T on LT during your stream tonight and you said something about learning something new for 4gating PvT. I was busy with some stuff and didn't see the whole game nor hear what you were saying and I was wondering if you could go over it.
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LazyMacro: he learned that game that he could get an earlier sentry, let it build up energy, and then be able to forcefield bunkers more effectively. If you play Protoss, this is unlikely to be much of a revelation. 
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Definitely possible. You're going to win a lot of games outright if your execution is good, and it can transition reasonably while containing.
Doing pure all-ins as any race is going to take you pretty high :o
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too easy imo, you should aim for top 200 with only 4 gate (some leeway since you're actually a zerg player)
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On February 09 2011 09:31 ShadowDrgn wrote:LazyMacro: he learned that game that he could get an earlier sentry, let it build up energy, and then be able to forcefield bunkers more effectively. If you play Protoss, this is unlikely to be much of a revelation.
Oh, okay. Yeah I already knew that. ;;
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I'm starting my show up again. I'll be running from 4:00pm.est to 6:00pm.est.
Hopefully I can hit masters during this time! If not I may have to schedule an additional show.
Tune in at www.ustream.tv/channel/rayray9000 or look for me on the side bar under the "non-featured" streams as ppgButtercup.
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I wouldn't be surprized if you made it to master's using that technique. It can be very strong if you are quick and have good decision making.
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just saw u making it to masters..so there u go
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I got on just after you got to Master's. Fuck. D:
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HuK was saying a little while ago that he was having a VERY hard time vs very well executed 4 Gates on the Korean server.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171264
No reason why someone who hasn't refined a 4 Gate can't get into Master's when HuK is obviously beyond Master's and has problems with a really good 4 Gate.
Edit: I apologize, after reading over it, it seems this is more of a 3 Gate. IMO, still kind of like a 4 gate except with different timings, and cutting probes in different places to make more units.
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there is a pretty big difference between using random 4gate variations, especially those that can transition into something else, and hard 4gating every game.
that said, I think you could get masters hard 4gating allin every game, but I don't think you'll get very high (except for in pvp you'll probably win a lot if u k4gate)
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If you're a master player, you can 4 gate to master since it's as many have mentioned, a legit strategy. If you're not, you probably can't.
This thread is btw really stupid.
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I completed my trip to Master League. Currently my MMR is over 2800+ Master range based on my opponents. My final stats were: 71-29 1097.Master
Again, note that probably 18 wins and 14 losses were on the account before I started 4-warping. It took me a total of three play sessions to hit Master League from Silver. I averaged roughly an 80% win ratio from when I started.
I will probably continue to grind this account up just to see how far I can get. Based on how easy 3k Master players are to beat with this strategy, I could easily see myself exceeding my Zerg account's score pretty quickly once I used up my bonus pool.
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Would you rather have all the replays in a .zip file or me upload them individually to a replay site? I only have my last 24 games (4 of which are losses. All are vs Master-level opponents).
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Can you post your replays? <3
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just curious, do you think you can do the same thing (or even do better) if somehow you were able to TvZ every match and open 2rax?
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Okay. I uploaded my last 24 replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/users/RayRay9000
There are three pages. I have a total of four losses and 20 wins in those games. The hilarity is that in quite a few of them I don't even play all that well...
Unfortunately, those who didn't get to watch my special live missed all my amusing commentary and smack-talking. Looking back, I wish I had recorded all of it...
And I'll update the OP to contain this link. Just watch any of the Rambozo games.
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Congrats i guess.
It's just easier to ladder with Toss when you have deadly options available. At least compared to Zergs offering for quick ladder points..
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