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Possible to 4-warp to Masters? I set out to prove! - Page 2

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XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
February 08 2011 20:32 GMT
#21
Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
Proto_Protoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States495 Posts
February 08 2011 20:33 GMT
#22
Yes, unless you are a terrible 4gater i would put money that you can 4gate your way to masters. I don't see anything spectacular going on here.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up everytime we do." - Confucius
Icemind
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany570 Posts
February 08 2011 20:36 GMT
#23
On February 09 2011 05:19 weeba2933 wrote:
I, for one, will be following this.
I am curious if it's possible or not 4-gating into Masters. It's always been the consensus that it's not possible because pros counter it well, but we will soon find out!

Yes it will probably work simply because beeing in Masters has nothing to do with beeing pro (The actual pros are quite good at dealing with it)
whomybuddy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States620 Posts
February 08 2011 20:36 GMT
#24
4 gates all in or 4 gates expand ~ 4 gates strategy is easy to defeat with good micro.
Roaches all the way way way.
xciLe
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway213 Posts
February 08 2011 20:38 GMT
#25
well, since you can 4gate in the GSL, i guess you can do it in master to, but expect a lower successrate
Protoss OP
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 20:40:12
February 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#26
I got so angry about getting 4 gated by toss.. That I decided to switch to toss for a while and only 4 gate. 3k Masters. I went 7-3. Redic powerfull build.
Skyro
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1823 Posts
February 08 2011 20:43 GMT
#27
If you were a master's player already there's no doubt you can 4-gate your way into masters. Curious to see how high you can get there (i.e. Higher than the rating on your normal account?).
carbon_based
Profile Joined December 2010
United States46 Posts
February 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#28
i 4 warp gated (blink stalker) to near the top of the ladder but it was all time wasted it did NOT make me a better starcraft player and only made me dissatisfied with my true skill level knowing i could be ranked much higher just warpgate rushing every game .
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1830689/zugzwang
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
February 08 2011 20:54 GMT
#29
No, it's unpossible. Why would you even try?
www.infinityseven.net
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
February 08 2011 20:58 GMT
#30
you want to prove whats already proven by half of the tosses that are up there?
sOAvoid
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada206 Posts
February 08 2011 20:58 GMT
#31
i hope this is a joke
"We must believe in luck. For how else can we explain the success of those we don't like."
embries
Profile Joined August 2010
United States70 Posts
February 08 2011 21:01 GMT
#32
One of my practice partners is a protoss who recently got into masters a week ago. We were both mid diamond before they added masters and hadn't laddered much in december.

He's generally a macro player and prefers 2+ bases and longer games. He was having solid success across the board, winning over 50% but still with runs of losses and wins and no promotion as his points kept adding up. Even though I'm still in diamond, it's mostly cause i've laddered about 15 games since masters got added. I play mostly masters players, and plenty in KOTH and customs and he was definetly at or above the level of most master protoss players i was getting matched against.

So he got really pissed off after a few weeks and went on an " I'm going to 4gate everyone till i'm in masters" rage induced ladder binge. Initially I think he thought he'd realize 4 gating wasn't any better and just go back to his standard play after 5-10 games. He's very proficient at a variety of 4 gates, sentry micro, gas timings, denying scouting, etc. Not some noob doing it. He used a 1 gas stalker/zealot on most of the time, only going k4g or sentry/zealot every so often based on maps, matchups, and scouting. I think he went 12-0 to start, and something like 25-4 over the course of 2 days and got promoted. Even he was kind of shocked by how effective it still was vs. so many experienced opponents and in every matchup. I was kind of jealous as a zerg player. I'd be pretty stoked if i had a general build I could use vs. all 3 races that guaranteed me a short game (generally sub 10 mins), a 50% or better chance at victory, and is pretty simple to execute with a little practice.

vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
February 08 2011 21:06 GMT
#33
On February 09 2011 05:32 XXXSmOke wrote:
Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion

Pretty much, you can use any viable build and get to masters if you execute it properly. Four gate is hardly a bronze only build, it is used in pro play to this day. Of course you can get to masters only four gating, but you can't get to masters four gating if you have the skill level of a gold player.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
February 08 2011 21:07 GMT
#34
I for one would like that u keep updating the op with your current level ...
I think this is legit ...
zyzski
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
February 08 2011 21:08 GMT
#35
On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg.


find this really hard to believe
TYBG
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
February 08 2011 21:09 GMT
#36
On February 09 2011 05:25 KevinIX wrote:
4-gate is a legit strategy. Of course you can 4-gate your way into masters.

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's imbalanced. There are plenty of ways to defeat a 4-gate.


I hate when people say this. It's simply wrong. The effectiveness of something should be equal to how difficult it is to implement. If one player can simply A-click across the map and the other must do 20 things at once to just BARELY stop it, it's imbalanced. That's why you have Protoss and Terran players in Masters who don't know how to transition out of 4-gate or 2-rax. Makes for stupid tournament matches and terrible games.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
February 08 2011 21:10 GMT
#37
On February 09 2011 06:08 zyzski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg.


find this really hard to believe

It's quite a strong build that still benefits from perfect execution. It also wins games quickly so you'll have a lot of wins faster than a macro player. Why would it be hard to believe?
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
February 08 2011 21:10 GMT
#38
Every competent protoss player in top 200 right now can 4-gate into Masters for sure. I still win games even doing this in PvT and PvZ.

In fact, I can probably choose T and go 1 base 3 rax banshee scv-pull timing pushes every matchup and still make it into Masters.
GruGloG
Profile Joined December 2008
Netherlands114 Posts
February 08 2011 21:10 GMT
#39
Is silver league your "real" skill?

If you are good enough you could probaby employ a large variety of builds, and pick one of them and do it all the way up to diamond by just being very much better than your opponents.
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
February 08 2011 21:10 GMT
#40
On February 09 2011 06:08 zyzski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote:
Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up.
Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg.


find this really hard to believe


Why? 4WGP is a damn strong build on every skill level.

It definitely nothing special to get master just by 4gating.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
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