EPTPossible to 4-warp to Masters? I set out to prove! - Page 2
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XXXSmOke
United States1333 Posts
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Proto_Protoss
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
On February 09 2011 05:19 weeba2933 wrote: I, for one, will be following this. I am curious if it's possible or not 4-gating into Masters. It's always been the consensus that it's not possible because pros counter it well, but we will soon find out! Yes it will probably work simply because beeing in Masters has nothing to do with beeing pro (The actual pros are quite good at dealing with it)  | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
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xciLe
Norway213 Posts
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
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carbon_based
United States46 Posts
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iSTime
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Xadar
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sOAvoid
Canada206 Posts
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embries
United States70 Posts
He's generally a macro player and prefers 2+ bases and longer games. He was having solid success across the board, winning over 50% but still with runs of losses and wins and no promotion as his points kept adding up. Even though I'm still in diamond, it's mostly cause i've laddered about 15 games since masters got added. I play mostly masters players, and plenty in KOTH and customs and he was definetly at or above the level of most master protoss players i was getting matched against. So he got really pissed off after a few weeks and went on an " I'm going to 4gate everyone till i'm in masters" rage induced ladder binge. Initially I think he thought he'd realize 4 gating wasn't any better and just go back to his standard play after 5-10 games. He's very proficient at a variety of 4 gates, sentry micro, gas timings, denying scouting, etc. Not some noob doing it. He used a 1 gas stalker/zealot on most of the time, only going k4g or sentry/zealot every so often based on maps, matchups, and scouting. I think he went 12-0 to start, and something like 25-4 over the course of 2 days and got promoted. Even he was kind of shocked by how effective it still was vs. so many experienced opponents and in every matchup. I was kind of jealous as a zerg player. I'd be pretty stoked if i had a general build I could use vs. all 3 races that guaranteed me a short game (generally sub 10 mins), a 50% or better chance at victory, and is pretty simple to execute with a little practice. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On February 09 2011 05:32 XXXSmOke wrote: Terrible thread im so sick of all these threads with this theme "oh hey I can get to masters doing thiss......" This is pointless/dumb/ and is not worthy for discussion Pretty much, you can use any viable build and get to masters if you execute it properly. Four gate is hardly a bronze only build, it is used in pro play to this day. Of course you can get to masters only four gating, but you can't get to masters four gating if you have the skill level of a gold player. | ||
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noD
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I think this is legit ... | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
On February 09 2011 05:25 Inori wrote: Yes, you can 4wg into Masters and up. Pre-masters there were people in top100 US with only 4wg. find this really hard to believe | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On February 09 2011 05:25 KevinIX wrote: 4-gate is a legit strategy. Of course you can 4-gate your way into masters. Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's imbalanced. There are plenty of ways to defeat a 4-gate. I hate when people say this. It's simply wrong. The effectiveness of something should be equal to how difficult it is to implement. If one player can simply A-click across the map and the other must do 20 things at once to just BARELY stop it, it's imbalanced. That's why you have Protoss and Terran players in Masters who don't know how to transition out of 4-gate or 2-rax. Makes for stupid tournament matches and terrible games. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
It's quite a strong build that still benefits from perfect execution. It also wins games quickly so you'll have a lot of wins faster than a macro player. Why would it be hard to believe? | ||
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Antimage
Canada1293 Posts
In fact, I can probably choose T and go 1 base 3 rax banshee scv-pull timing pushes every matchup and still make it into Masters. | ||
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GruGloG
Netherlands114 Posts
If you are good enough you could probaby employ a large variety of builds, and pick one of them and do it all the way up to diamond by just being very much better than your opponents. | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
Why? 4WGP is a damn strong build on every skill level. It definitely nothing special to get master just by 4gating. | ||
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