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Possible to 4-warp to Masters? I set out to prove! - Page 4

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LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 23:20:05
February 08 2011 23:17 GMT
#61
Cool stream.

Could you recap what you were saying about 4gating PvT? I saw your 9Pv12T on LT during your stream tonight and you said something about learning something new for 4gating PvT. I was busy with some stuff and didn't see the whole game nor hear what you were saying and I was wondering if you could go over it.
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
February 09 2011 00:31 GMT
#62
LazyMacro: he learned that game that he could get an earlier sentry, let it build up energy, and then be able to forcefield bunkers more effectively. If you play Protoss, this is unlikely to be much of a revelation.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
February 09 2011 00:34 GMT
#63
Definitely possible. You're going to win a lot of games outright if your execution is good, and it can transition reasonably while containing.

Doing pure all-ins as any race is going to take you pretty high :o
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 09 2011 02:08 GMT
#64
too easy imo, you should aim for top 200 with only 4 gate (some leeway since you're actually a zerg player)
~o~ I have returned
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 02:09:45
February 09 2011 02:09 GMT
#65
EDIT: eh, nevermind.
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LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
February 09 2011 02:14 GMT
#66
On February 09 2011 09:31 ShadowDrgn wrote:
LazyMacro: he learned that game that he could get an earlier sentry, let it build up energy, and then be able to forcefield bunkers more effectively. If you play Protoss, this is unlikely to be much of a revelation.

Oh, okay. Yeah I already knew that. ;;
ppgButtercup
Profile Joined July 2009
United States159 Posts
February 10 2011 20:55 GMT
#67
I'm starting my show up again. I'll be running from 4:00pm.est to 6:00pm.est.

Hopefully I can hit masters during this time! If not I may have to schedule an additional show.

Tune in at www.ustream.tv/channel/rayray9000 or look for me on the side bar under the "non-featured" streams as ppgButtercup.
If at first you do not succeed, burn everything and pretend it never happened.
GreatFall
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1061 Posts
February 10 2011 21:32 GMT
#68
I wouldn't be surprized if you made it to master's using that technique. It can be very strong if you are quick and have good decision making.
Inventor of the 'Burning Tide' technique to quickly getting Outmatched Crusher achivement :D
Shaka_Kon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada112 Posts
February 10 2011 21:54 GMT
#69
just saw u making it to masters..so there u go
say cheese!...... NOT
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
February 10 2011 22:05 GMT
#70
I got on just after you got to Master's. Fuck. D:
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-10 22:24:37
February 10 2011 22:16 GMT
#71
HuK was saying a little while ago that he was having a VERY hard time vs very well executed 4 Gates on the Korean server.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171264

No reason why someone who hasn't refined a 4 Gate can't get into Master's when HuK is obviously beyond Master's and has problems with a really good 4 Gate.

Edit: I apologize, after reading over it, it seems this is more of a 3 Gate. IMO, still kind of like a 4 gate except with different timings, and cutting probes in different places to make more units.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 10 2011 22:48 GMT
#72
there is a pretty big difference between using random 4gate variations, especially those that can transition into something else, and hard 4gating every game.


that said, I think you could get masters hard 4gating allin every game, but I don't think you'll get very high (except for in pvp you'll probably win a lot if u k4gate)
Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
February 10 2011 22:55 GMT
#73
If you're a master player, you can 4 gate to master since it's as many have mentioned, a legit strategy. If you're not, you probably can't.
This thread is btw really stupid.
"It's criminally negligent to dismiss Rock's contributions to other people's careers", Dukethegold
ppgButtercup
Profile Joined July 2009
United States159 Posts
February 10 2011 23:02 GMT
#74
I completed my trip to Master League. Currently my MMR is over 2800+ Master range based on my opponents. My final stats were: 71-29 1097.Master

Again, note that probably 18 wins and 14 losses were on the account before I started 4-warping. It took me a total of three play sessions to hit Master League from Silver. I averaged roughly an 80% win ratio from when I started.

I will probably continue to grind this account up just to see how far I can get. Based on how easy 3k Master players are to beat with this strategy, I could easily see myself exceeding my Zerg account's score pretty quickly once I used up my bonus pool.
If at first you do not succeed, burn everything and pretend it never happened.
Mada_Jiang
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Australia236 Posts
February 11 2011 04:51 GMT
#75
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ppgButtercup
Profile Joined July 2009
United States159 Posts
February 11 2011 05:38 GMT
#76
Would you rather have all the replays in a .zip file or me upload them individually to a replay site? I only have my last 24 games (4 of which are losses. All are vs Master-level opponents).
If at first you do not succeed, burn everything and pretend it never happened.
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
February 11 2011 05:45 GMT
#77
Can you post your replays? <3
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
February 11 2011 06:02 GMT
#78
just curious, do you think you can do the same thing (or even do better) if somehow you were able to TvZ every match and open 2rax?
ppgButtercup
Profile Joined July 2009
United States159 Posts
February 11 2011 06:06 GMT
#79
Okay. I uploaded my last 24 replays.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/users/RayRay9000

There are three pages. I have a total of four losses and 20 wins in those games. The hilarity is that in quite a few of them I don't even play all that well...

Unfortunately, those who didn't get to watch my special live missed all my amusing commentary and smack-talking. Looking back, I wish I had recorded all of it...

And I'll update the OP to contain this link. Just watch any of the Rambozo games.
If at first you do not succeed, burn everything and pretend it never happened.
ProtossGirl
Profile Joined December 2010
England123 Posts
February 15 2011 08:15 GMT
#80
Congrats i guess.

It's just easier to ladder with Toss when you have deadly options available. At least compared to Zergs offering for quick ladder points..
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