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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 02 2011 18:12 GMT
#21
Corsair can kill stacked overlords or muta that an opponent isn't paying attention to in about 5 seconds. BAM all your overlords piling in a corner dead. Or BAM all your mutalisku and scourgu dead. That's more exciting from a spectator point of view. More exciting from a player point of view too, when you consider that you're walking on a wire as Zerg, and you have so much to gain as Protoss if you can just get into the right situation. Kind of like why Reavers are a million times more interesting than colossi. Sure they are slow and need A LOT of attention, but when that big boom gets off it is SO satisfying.

Phoenix just kind of... picks off helpless units... It's pretty boring. There's no "OMG RUN MY WORKERS!" it's just "oh, there's a Phoenix and there's nothing I can do about it until anti air arrives." Wow that's really interesting gameplay thx
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
January 02 2011 18:14 GMT
#22
I prefer corsairs in terms of fighting air units because splash against Muta ball is huge. Graviton Beam is a really fun ability though, and the Phoenix has more roles - but sairs are more of a mainstay in a matchup.

Hard to call.

emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 18:30:18
January 02 2011 18:27 GMT
#23
On January 03 2011 02:31 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 02:06 Scaramanga wrote:
The phoenix is far superior to the corsair. They would revolutionize PvP in BW since they would deny reaver/shuttles so easily and can snipe high templar. In SC2, phoenix play doesn't only scout and hunt overloads. They can be used to harass mineral lines and pick off key units.

Someone's never played bw

What's wrong with what he said?

Aside from having a worse avatar/voice, Phoenixes are way better than Corsairs were, probably even when comparing +1 sairs vs. mutas to phoenix vs. muta. They do 10 damage and +10 to light. Yeah, AoE eventually out does that, but in the 6 units range, I'd definitely take phoenixes over corsairs in PvZ. Plus Graviton is actually useful and in this silly hypothetical, you wouldn't have to worry about scourge if you had a phoenix.


I think it's mainly the in the different roles that Mutas play that defines the effectiveness of each. In bw there were never more than 11 mutas in a group really, and usually stacked- so even a handful of corsair could completely shut that down. However, since there isn't the same stacking in SC2, corsairs would be less effective since mutas can go toe to toe with corsairs when they aren't stacked. As well, you often see muta flocks of close to 20, which would pick off corsairs before they could do any real damage.

Anyways, corsairs are a better fit in bw, and Pheonix are a better fit in SC2- either would be worse in the other game.
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
January 02 2011 18:29 GMT
#24
How to micro corsairs:

Move facing the enemy unit
Press attack
Click on the enemy unit
Move away from the enemy unit
Perform all steps in a quarter of a second and repeat


How to micro phoenixes:

Move
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 02 2011 18:29 GMT
#25
On January 03 2011 03:14 Dfgj wrote:
I prefer corsairs in terms of fighting air units because splash against Muta ball is huge. Graviton Beam is a really fun ability though, and the Phoenix has more roles - but sairs are more of a mainstay in a matchup.

Hard to call.




I agree with this


also disruption web was freaking awesome in sc1 cuz it went so well with reavers


speaking of which, reaver vs collossi. i think everyone would choose reaver m'i'rite?
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 02 2011 18:34 GMT
#26
I love it watching well micro'd sairs narrowly escape scourges in pro games so sair wins.

I went to make a gif from Shine vs Kal but it wasnt actually a sair but a shuttle, but I'm still going to post it cause its awesome. :D

[image loading]
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
January 02 2011 18:35 GMT
#27
ode to the corsair,
the most graceful and elegant air units in all starcraft

xD
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Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
January 02 2011 18:36 GMT
#28
I pretty much look at it like this. Whats the main purpose of corsair/phoenix? Kill air units. Which does it better? Corsair.

The phoenix definitely has multiple uses and is very powerful, but I just think the corsair is a more useful unit, or rather one that I would rather use than a phoenix.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 18:52:48
January 02 2011 18:36 GMT
#29
Remember Bisu's game versus Jaedong where he went mass corsair with d-web, reaver, and carrier? That would not have worked without the corsairs. Plus from a spectator's point of view phoenixes are so much less exciting.

a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
January 02 2011 18:45 GMT
#30


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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
January 02 2011 18:47 GMT
#31
I think that d-web is one of the most underused abilities in bw and more pros should be exploring it.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 18:58:58
January 02 2011 18:57 GMT
#32
Phoenixes are more flexible because of being able to pick up and disable ground units, but Corsairs are unquestioningly better as AtA superiority units. Also, Disruption Web was so damn good yet underused.
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HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
January 02 2011 19:00 GMT
#33
Nothing beats corsair reaver with insane d-web play. Best thing to watch!
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 02 2011 19:18 GMT
#34
dweb isn't used cuz fleet beacons cost you a retirement pension and a left kidney.
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Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
January 02 2011 19:20 GMT
#35
Corsairs for splash mainly. Dweb is also nice.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
January 02 2011 19:23 GMT
#36
IMO, the Phoenix would suck if it replaced the Corsair in BW. No splash damage means that stacked Mutas would fare much better when picking off Phoenixes.

The Corsair would suck if it replaced the Phoenix in SC2. Magic-Boxing Mutas would pretty much nullify most splash damage.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 02 2011 19:25 GMT
#37
Protoss player should learn to go Corsairs more often beside PvZ, PvT, they can shut down early game harassment pretty well with it and it can fake the Terran thinking that Carriers are on the way only to find themselve to be crushed by a Sair-goon army!
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aXsiom
Profile Joined December 2010
12 Posts
January 02 2011 19:40 GMT
#38
On January 03 2011 02:06 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
and probably the best unit for DPS AtA.

Someone's never used a valk

Show nested quote +
The phoenix is far superior to the corsair. They would revolutionize PvP in BW since they would deny reaver/shuttles so easily and can snipe high templar. In SC2, phoenix play doesn't only scout and hunt overloads. They can be used to harass mineral lines and pick off key units.

Someone's never played bw

Someone's a harda**

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Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
January 02 2011 19:40 GMT
#39
Corsair.
I like the phoenix and it is more versatile I guess, but nothing beats killing air in seconds with splash.
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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 19:54:30
January 02 2011 19:51 GMT
#40
I love seeing well-placed D-webs when protoss goes mass sair reaver in pvz. Also, splash >>> all.

EDIT: Just saw the gif that hifriend posted. HOLY SHIT.
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