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Ok I just played 5 games today. Went 3-2. Played against 3 Zerg and 2 Protoss as a Terran player.
So TvZ is my worst matchup simply because I don't 2rax scv/marine all-in which is fun for 1st few times but not going to help you in the long run. It's especially hard considering I don't play Terran that much and it doesn't help either when you're playing 2200+ diamond with a new race.
So I haven't done any cheese ever as a T (2rax scv/marine is no cheese by my definition stick with it plz).
Now the last game was very odd. I remember I saw MoRRoW doing a drone rush vs Strelok I believe in tl open?. Now this zerg did the EXACT same thing. He came into my base unexpectedly (although I should've scouted it with my scout on the way) with 12 drones.
After a 30 minute game I eventually managed to win by coming from a disadvantage. He was up 1 base almost entire game and ended the game with 5k minerals and 3k gas (2vs3 base).
So he was like trolling whole time and saying omg T is so OP. must be nice playing T etc.
So I'm getting flamed by this player but I try to keep calm and talk to him and just try to help him.
And this guy just saying that Terran is OP. While clearly this is debatable but I tried to point on his major mistakes first. He had 5k minerals and 3k gas with lair up. He could've easily made 30 muta's which he didn't. He just blamed it on me.
Eventually I just blocked him. Now I'm wondering is.
Should I help the next guy flaming me while I try to point out his major mistakes which lost him the game? Or just ignore all flamers?
I try to help everyone who needs help. I'm not that good yet to know it all but should I even bother helping anyone if I can?
I don't read sc2 strategy so I don't know any BO that is posted there (have it minimized). I simply follow liquipedia and just macro and see were it's headed.
Seems to me that low level players who could improve so much just don't listen well to those that try to help them in general. They tend to think they know it all but never stop looking at themselves why they play bad instead they look at others.
So any arguments whether I should help others if they are clearly bad/ignorant/flamers etc or I should just mind my own business from now on.
TL;DR
Should I help other players who are clearly really bad than yourself even though they are lamers and flame you and the race you play?
Wel that's it for this blog. Was kinda half rant half question.
  
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Braavos36401 Posts
I wouldn't give advice to anyone unless they ask for it. You giving them advice is just rubbing it in if they are mad they lost. It's not like they're going to listen to you anyway in that mental state.
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Sucks for that to happen. Well In my opinion, you should just help those who ask. If they flame you, they aren't looking for advice in mind.
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On December 14 2010 08:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
I wouldn't give advice to anyone unless they ask for it. You giving them advice is just rubbing it in if they are mad they lost. It's not like they're going to listen to you anyway in that mental state.
Yeah I can understand that.
I guess I'm just too nice to others lol. I don't talk in caps lock to them to make them understand that I'm trying to help but I guess I shouldn't be doing that anymore ><
Seems that even if my intentions are good it might look like the total opposite to others. Even when I'm looking at my past replies to others. Guess it is ignore then.
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Calgary26003 Posts
On December 14 2010 08:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
I wouldn't give advice to anyone unless they ask for it. You giving them advice is just rubbing it in if they are mad they lost. It's not like they're going to listen to you anyway in that mental state.
Exactly this. You should never blindly give advice in any competitive format - I can't imagine a time when this is appropriate. Imagine playing 1 on 1 basketball and then giving tips to someone after you beat him. Replace basketball with anything and it still comes off as arrogant. Just don't do it.
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If they have bad manners, they imo don't deserve your time you'd put in by helping them. I understand people get upset/mad from losses, but being bad mannered about it won't get them anywhere. If you enjoy helping others, you should do it only for people who actually are able to go without all the insults and whatsoever... they might appreciate your help much more. :-)
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On December 14 2010 08:22 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 08:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
I wouldn't give advice to anyone unless they ask for it. You giving them advice is just rubbing it in if they are mad they lost. It's not like they're going to listen to you anyway in that mental state. Exactly this. You should never blindly give advice in any competitive format - I can't imagine a time when this is appropriate. Imagine playing 1 on 1 basketball and then giving tips to someone after you beat him. Replace basketball with anything and it still comes off as arrogant. Just don't do it.
Well if someone lost then ofcourse I'm not going to talk to him unless he's talking to me first and talking a lot and then when it looks like they need help. But you're right I shouldn't talk to anyone who's flaming you when they just lost. It does seem like rubbing it in which ofcourse my intentions are not like that since I would've said something like T is easy or w/e then.
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Don't bother talking to people who are BM. There are a few people over the years of BW I made friends with who are BM and at best you will find yourself embarrassed by their antics as they BM random schmucks. More likely, if you try to be friendly, you will find yourself putting up with their shit. So why bother being friendly? Unless you're a masochist, you aren't going to get pleasure out of that. Of course if you act unfriendly that only feeds their trolling, so don't do that either.
Bottom line? Just don't talk to them. It makes your life easier.
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I've had people earnestly ask for advice on very rare occasions and have always obliged.
I've also given advice when it wasn't asked for, but my intentions then were always ill-mannered and my advice almost always sarcastic.
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If the losing side asks for advice in a polite manner, then I'd help them out.
If they don't ask, I respond to their gg and leave.
If they bm, I point out their every mistake they've made in their life time and block them.
bottom line/safest route is to let them be if they start bming or just gg.
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You have to identify a rager. Nerd rager's aren't thinking straight and won't take any advice and usually play pretty bad. You should just take the fairly easy win and don't say anything. They don't hate you they are just venting, so let them do that, responding will only make it worse.
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Yeah I definitely agree with what Hot_Bid said. Explaining things without being asked shows a lack of manner to some people, so don't do it if they don't ask, especially if you don't know them personally.
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If a guy does a drone rush and then tries to flame you then I would straight up laugh in his face, let alone try to help him...I doubt he's in the state of mind to listen to any constructive advice anyway =/
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Imo you shouldn't give help out of pity, and someone who's flaming you over how you don't deserve your win doesn't deserve your respect, as well as, such a person is expressing that they don't believe its their knowledge or skill which they're concerned about while losing to you. Just take it as your responsibility to try to make it clear to them how foolish they're being. After a point, politeness only serves to unnaturally prolong ignorance.
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On December 14 2010 09:52 Misillusion wrote:
If the losing side asks for advice in a polite manner, then I'd help them out.
If they don't ask, I respond to their gg and leave.
If they bm, I point out their every mistake they've made in their life time and block them.
bottom line/safest route is to let them be if they start bming or just gg.
Totally agree with this, although I wouldn't bother to block them  I like listening to people rage at me; it makes me laugh.
But yeah, the main point is to not give advice unless asked; it comes off as arrogant, even if your intentions are good.
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I enjoy people telling me my mistakes. even if I feel they are wrong.
I'm guilty though of giving unsolicited advice.
Honestly, I don't see the issue. EVERYONE can use feedback.
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Norway28853 Posts
I don't mind giving advice to some guy that's raging and steaming, but I usually prefer giving very generic advice such as "you shouldn't have microed so poorly" or "you should've macroed better". telling them they used the wrong strategy is also cool
it doesn't calm them down but that's not really the intention
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Helping someone is actually considered very bad mannered. When you are helping someone, you are actually not helping them at all, what you are actually doing is asserting your dominance over them by showing them that you are more knowledgeable than they are and you are their 'teacher' pretty much. This is actually extremely rude. Never ever help someone unless they ask for tips.
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When they are really pissed, I tell them in like the coolest way I can think of what they did wrong.
"Bro you needed upgrades on those collosi and you woulda smashed me"
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Generally giving advice if your opponent did not ask for is kind of dumb... either you'll seem arrogant if you won, or you'll look like a dumbass if you lost. But if you do decide to give some advice, it entirely depends on the way you phrase it, IMO.
For example:
"You should've micro'd your units in that last battle." vs. "You could have won that last battle with slightly better micro." Pointing out things from your perspective is sometimes helpful too; "If you had attacked me about a minute earlier you would've done much more damage," etc.
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people dont like unwanted advice. if they want to improve, they'll come to TL or something and look it up themselves. Or, they'll ask you for help. if they swear or BM you, they probably dont want to hear any advice.
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Yea sorry for no replies but I was sleeping (living in holland :p) and the way it went to him is he complained / flamed me for playing Terran like how IdrA is always saying against scrubs worse than him.
At first I didn't respond but he was totally flipping out. Then he started saying T is so OP with stim I never win against T. There is nothing a Zerg can do against Terran with stim. This was basically where it all started since he seemed delusional about it when he said it. When I responded it pretty much was that he continued raging and then in which I ignored him since it wouldn't have helped him since he ain't going to listen.
So yes new lesson learned. Never try to help someone who is raging at you and flaming you.
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@above poster
Yes I will just refer them to TL. More members for TL :D
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I agree with the majority of the replies here, it's 99% of the time not worth it to 'help' anyone unless they ask for it or have some rapport with you.
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