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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 16 2010 09:16 GMT
#61
To be honest, after reading that translated article floating around SC2 General (and generating shitstorms in the replies), I have to side more with Blizzard now. KeSPA has never been a very admirable company. They've always done thing to raise the eyebrows of the fans. Blizzard, however, has more or less let things go for many years.

I don't like how Blizzard is suddenly being adamant about all this garbage now, but right now, I get the feeling that it's more so that KeSPA can't stunt the growth of SC2 in Korea, not so that Blizzard can kill off BW for SC2's sake.

Blizzard is one of the best companies out there. If they go under and turn into corporate monsters, then major video games are doomed.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 17:32:53
November 16 2010 17:25 GMT
#62
Why do you had to side with Blizzard or KeSPA... is it a dichotomy?

I side with the broadcasters, but I think there must be a reason broadcasters were cooperating with KeSPA. It's not like KeSPA is the mafia and said PAY US FOR PROTECTION LOL.

We get a really tiny picture from those random translated articles. We get a much better picture from seeing what is actually happening to the scene. Contrary to what you said, I don't think BW has been declining at all. Korean Air sponsored two events in a row! Don't tell me you think that's because SC2 was coming. Therefore... I think I believe it when KeSPA says they put the money back into eSports to help it grow. Look at the game house conditions for goodness sake... They have only steadily improved.

If I had to guess, I'd say that KeSPA must be functioning a lot more like a union than anything else, which gives the players and broadcasters an actual voice. Sure they were kind of mad when Gom started their own league and they told their players not to do it... But seriously, there are so many games all the time there was a legitimate cause for concern that the match's quality might be decreased because of an insane number of different games everyone has to play... Not the mention the prestige of winning a tournament is lowered the more tournaments there are. Do you remember Stork interviews where he finally won a gold and said 'it doesn't mean as much anymore' since there are so many leagues? What became more valuable was proleague success, and that was largely because there is only one proleague.

Blizzard isn't just another form of KeSPA. Blizzard are a brand new kind of jerks. They're post-WoW jerks.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 16 2010 18:27 GMT
#63
On November 16 2010 08:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Personally, I hate the SC2 guys that post about wishing BW to just die. But I also hate all the BW elitists who go into SC2 threads talking about how BW is better and how SC2 is ruining ESPORTS. Both groups are bad for TL. There's no need to rant about why you believe BW is better, just like there's no need for SC2 fanboys to do the same. Both opinions are completely legitimate -- some like BW better and some like SC2. I don't see why people from either group needs to impose their beliefs on others. People need to stop comparing the games.


I pretty much agree with hot bid here, look, I'll admit, yo ucan look at my profile and see I made my account on February 19th I believe it was, I had only been lurking TL for about 2-3 months prior to finally signing up. So I am an SC2 guy through and through, I just follow everything BW as well

very little pisses me off on TL more than

1) people with accounts made after April 20th (TL Beta key giveaways started) saying BW should just die

2) people with very old accounts, mostly a ton of translators/non mod staff who REFUSE to acknowledge the existence of SC2 and say that they will never play it because it is an inferior game.

I watch BW streams as well as SC2 streams, I follow every single individual/proleague match as well as major tournament results, why is it that we can't just get along and acknowledge the other will continue to exist?

If BW isn't your thing because you only joined TL to get a free beta key, then so be it, but don't tell them to die

If SC2 isn't your thing, just let it be, nobody is stopping you from playing BW but denying the community and generalizing it as immature and nooby just turns you into an elitist.

I was glad to see that TL wa slooking for new translators because in all honesty, we needed those guys, the people like konadora and Smix etc. with the translator symbols. Hyungjoon wants to be a progamer and Nal ra's old boy were two of th ebest things that happened to the community in the past year and a half, but lately theres been a denial of content. There were projects cancelled, other ones delayed 4-6 months.

Even sc2 guys can enjoy the content of those amazing korean shows. I hope that the new translators can revive some life into those projects.

And I hope that we can all just accept the others, as TL is a single community, not two or three living in one a la SRK with its 10 different communities split between different games.
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