EPTBlizzard, a bunch of liars. - Page 2
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
First of all: http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/ Though this isn't 100% reliable, naturally. They're not saying the GAME itself is supposed to remain free (or why didn't they attack HoN, or LoL? HoN though is by far the closer clone of DotA containing at least half of the DotA heroes as ports), just that they didn't like how the name was trademarked. Also, about the WoW items: None of them actually make you any better at the game. They're all aesthetic, and for some reason, people like looking fly. I'm not a huge microtransaction fan, but really, it's not Blizzard's fault if people want to buy a sparkly pony for real money. They're perfectly capable of making decision, especially when the decision has no real in-game consequences. | ||
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
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yejin
France493 Posts
On October 28 2010 01:57 DeckOneBell wrote: How is noting the trademarking of DotA even close to a tantrum? Do you realize it's not even originally by Icefrog? DotA all-stars was originally developed by Guinsoo. First of all: http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/ Though this isn't 100% reliable, naturally. They're not saying the GAME itself is supposed to remain free (or why didn't they attack HoN, or LoL? HoN though is by far the closer clone of DotA containing at least half of the DotA heroes as ports), just that they didn't like how the name was trademarked. Also, about the WoW items: None of them actually make you any better at the game. They're all aesthetic, and for some reason, people like looking fly. I'm not a huge microtransaction fan, but really, it's not Blizzard's fault if people want to buy a sparkly pony for real money. They're perfectly capable of making decision, especially when the decision has no real in-game consequences. Dude, sorry but you're full of shit Ex / current Valve employees tell me the IceFrog/DOTA blog post is all false. Good to hear. Now, where's Half-Life Ep3?  Source: George Broussard's Twitter User was warned for this post | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
But i'm glad the OP managed to make Blizzard look like the evil corporation they truly are. You must feel really good about yourself now that you set the record straight on who did what and who deserves the praise. Because that was the point of the topic right? | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
With so many versions, DoTA is going to have fun being a legitimate competetive game with a healthy scene. Definately doesn't have the chance to degrade into flames and disagreenet on which version is better as already seen on HoN/LoL forums -_-. Also tourneys like MLG are only going to have space for one variant. Further adding to the problem. | ||
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ToFu.
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can't say i like the direction blizzard is going in these days. haven't even bought sc2. | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
The development history isn't important (and most people have incomplete information) in judging one dota-clone from another. Since active players need to play the latest version, it only matters who is on the current development team. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4189 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:45 ToFu. wrote: can't say i like the direction blizzard is going in these days. haven't even bought sc2. highfive! I didn't buy sc2 either. Don't even both comparing blizzard and valve. Valve > blizzard always. <3 | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:54 prototype. wrote: highfive! I didn't buy sc2 either. Don't even both comparing blizzard and valve. Valve > blizzard always. <3 Oh yeah?! Well video-game company A is better than video-game company B! So there! Seriously go join a PC vs. Mac debate, this shit is stupid. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:14 Gliche wrote: The tantrum is because they did not take measures to prevent another company from doing what Valve is doing. When Icefrog went to work for Valve, it should have set off all kinds of bells and whistles at Blizzard HQ. Very poor business decision making on supporting and protecting a mod coming out of their own community. Just the fact that Valve now has the name "DOTA" alone is going to get them a shit ton of extra exposure and money while taking the same away from Blizzard. Dota is heavily associated with WC3/Blizzard and is basically the only thing keeping WC3 alive. Whether or not Blizzard saw this coming, Valve essentially has cut off a chunk of Blizzard's empire and Blizzard is throwing PR tantrum over it. A PR tantrum? "That's kinda weird that they are copyrighting something that, if anything, belongs to Guinsoo." A tantrum if I ever saw one! And why would Blizzard want to keep WC3 alive? It's made its money, it's had its run, no one else will be buying the game anytime soon. | ||
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crazeman
664 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:28 Senx wrote: The whole dota/hon scene is a complete joke so why even discuss it? I'm not saying the game itself sucks, just the community and people around it. These type of topics doesn't deserve any discussion because it just embodies the whole dota scene - crying, trash talking and putting blame/responsiblity on whomever is suitable. But i'm glad the OP managed to make Blizzard look like the evil corporation they truly are. You must feel really good about yourself now that you set the record straight on who did what and who deserves the praise. Because that was the point of the topic right? I'm pretty sure every gaming scene is like that... look at halo, CoD, etc. It seems like starcraft is the exception more than anything. My theory is because the BM/GM stuff got standardized by the koreans but i don't know enough about my BW history. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:26 crazeman wrote: I'm pretty sure every gaming scene is like that... look at halo, CoD, etc. It seems like starcraft is the exception more than anything. My theory is because the BM/GM stuff got standardized by the koreans but i don't know enough about my BW history. It seems SC is an exception to us, because within the mess that is the sc scene there is both the good and the bad, and when you're a part of something you associate with some parts but not the others (like the blizzard sc forums). The same exists for any other gaming scene (CS/WoW/halo/etc). From the outside they all look like a trainwreck but there is sanity to be found in all of them if you look at the right place. | ||
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Bungle
Canada59 Posts
On October 28 2010 00:26 yejin wrote: FACTS: 2 years ago, Blizzard offered Icefrog to join in and rework Dota inside Blizzard. The goal was to make a quick game with basically no additionnal development needed, and sell it: a cash machine. IceFrog said no, because he wanted a team, he wanted to be in control of everything and he disliked the idea of building a quick product with few evolutions and give it all to Blizzard. (I can understand, they would probably have made WOW-style offers like "new items for 15$") From a comment on the Icefrog Truth blog: http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/ I also heard he got politely sent home from the Blizzard campus by a senior manager when he showed up there with an AGENT to pitch DOTA. Who the hell shows up with an AGENT to a job interview in the game industry? I didn't even know that individual people had agents in games. That's somewhere between pretentious and clueless. We aren't Hollywood. From this it sounds like Icefrog shopped Dota around, not the other way around. He did it with Riot, he did it with S2 and finally ended up with Valve. Just because you say that Blizz was hot and bothered to release a super quick stand alone Dota with no improvements doesn't mean it's so. Essentially this is EXACTLY what Icefrog is doing at Valve currently: DotA-Allstars' roster of 100+ heroes is being brought over in its entirety. The single map games take place on is functionally identical to the one that you can download for free today in the Warcraft III mod. Items, skills, and upgrade paths are unchanged. Some hero skills work slightly better due to being freed from the now-ancient Warcraft III engine, but Dota 2 will be instantly familiar to any DotA player. Source: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/news/13313-valve-announces-dota-2 You argue that Icefrog took a moral stance against doing a simple rehash at Blizzard, only to go over to Valve to do... A simple rehash? Also, this is freakin Blizzard that we're talking about, nothing that they release is just a quick simple rehash to make money. When was the last time you saw a Blizz title that wasn't at least 3 years in development? | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
The simple way to put it every game producer and developer is evil in the eyes of their customers at one or more points in their companies history. People will forget about this in years to come, just like how Valve was forgiven for paving the way of DRM. I don't get why people are under the assumption Blizzard is getting upset about valve "doing it first". They are just stating that they think it is not a good choice to try and trademark the word "DOTA". Could be a hidden message here but it is all speculation and conjecture. I love & hate both companies time to time. [Edit]: Read the Steam EULA and you will cringe as well. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
Counter-Strike and Team Fortress were both third-party free mods and Valve took notice. Now same thing for DOTA. Not a surprise. | ||
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duBstar
United States57 Posts
He is the most spoiled brat in the industry, Valve could barely put up with him, but Valve wants the cash that's going to come from DotA 2 so they're letting him do what he wants. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2010 00:26 yejin wrote: FACTS: 2 years ago, Blizzard offered Icefrog to join in and rework Dota inside Blizzard. The goal was to make a quick game with basically no additionnal development needed, and sell it: a cash machine. IceFrog said no, because he wanted a team, he wanted to be in control of everything and he disliked the idea of building a quick product with few evolutions and give it all to Blizzard. (I can understand, they would probably have made WOW-style offers like "new items for 15$") And now Blizzard is trying to be all about community and freedom of mods and going "bouhou Valve is a bad company". ye, right. I'm going to call bullshit right here, especially with no source. Given the vastly differing accounts of what actually happened between Blizzard and Icefrog (and the nature of private meetings being that only Icefrog and the relevant Blizzard employees would actually know for sure) we can only speculate as to what "the goal" was, who said no to what, etc. As such, making rash judgments, both about Icefrog, or about Blizzard based on such speculation is extremely silly. | ||
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