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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
October 12 2010 18:56 GMT
#121
Urgh, I absolutely understand SC2 is not a bad thing at all. It is awesome game that deserves its current fanbase and hype. But it doesn't mean I have to like the death of BW, so please stop pestering us unless we directly criticize the game plz. For christ sake by definition you should be happy about the "I am quitting TL qq" posts since you are bothered by their close-mindedness enough to attack them on it.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
October 12 2010 18:58 GMT
#122
Most practice partners and B teamers have jumped ship -- they're pretty much nonexistent.
Further rumors are teams that have B teamers practicing SC2 to prepare for SC2 teams, but who knows about that~


I said it!!! So sad =/

( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153299 )

Thanks a lot for all this info Milkis!

Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Jeez
Profile Joined September 2010
United States18 Posts
October 12 2010 19:00 GMT
#123
On October 13 2010 03:48 Half wrote:
You're saying that any game, regardless of skill cap or design, will allow for gosu micro given enough time? This is a false statement. People aren't just complaining that the player micro is bad, but the game is designed so that player micro can only improve so much.


I don't understand how you can presume to make a statement like that. Designed to hinder micro? *sigh*
Cui bono
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
October 12 2010 19:01 GMT
#124
The OP and thread are making me so sad....

Don't die BW!
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-12 19:08:38
October 12 2010 19:05 GMT
#125
On October 13 2010 03:48 Half wrote:


idk international chess has been around for a few hundred years now.

You're saying that any game, regardless of skill cap or design, will allow for gosu micro given enough time? This is a false statement. People aren't just complaining that the player micro is bad, but the game is designed so that player micro can only improve so much.



First you compare chess with esports. I won't argue about that because my english skills are somewhat limited but it's like comparing apples and oranges.

Second you say that "the game is designed so that player micro can only improve so much." Such a huge statement surely deserves to be backed by solid evidence. Can you direct me to an relevant thread?
I bet that you, like me, may be tired of seeing "pro" gamers a-move big balls of unit into each other. That is not because of bad design. To me that is the consequence of insufficient player skill. I think that they may be lacking apm, or they may be lacking tactical sense. E.g marines vs. banelings, I have never seen a Terran player actually micro individually his marines (actually I saw it only once) in order to avoid banelings. Another example would be Zergling micro. Too often I see uncontroled zerglings running in circles and doing nothing but blocking the path of other units.
All in all there are lots of instances when players do not micro properly. Fortunately perfect micro is not yet mandatory but I'm confident that it will become obligatory over time, when players will actually step their game up. I definitely feel that in term of micro we have only seen the emerging tip of the iceberg .
o choro é livre
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
October 12 2010 19:09 GMT
#126
BLERGH. NOOOO.

BW can't die now. The way it's going out is so bad. It's like watching someone slowly die in front of your eyes without you being able to do anything.

Letting it transition steadily to SC2 AT LEAST would have been fine, but forcing the change is the tipping point here. :/

So disappointing.

NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
October 12 2010 19:10 GMT
#127
CRAZY news omg.

Some is pretty cool other parts pretty sad :| I'm on the fence, It would be cool to see old pros become huge in Sc2, their glory returned but idk.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
October 12 2010 19:19 GMT
#128
If even half of these rumors are true bw can't recover. Nails in the coffin I'm afraid.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
October 12 2010 19:24 GMT
#129
On October 13 2010 03:09 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone thinks e-sports is better off not having sc2 they have been living under a rock imo.

Turncoat.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 12 2010 19:32 GMT
#130
I hope these rumors are false like most rumors are
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
October 12 2010 19:37 GMT
#131
On October 13 2010 04:24 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:09 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone thinks e-sports is better off not having sc2 they have been living under a rock imo.

Turncoat.


What do you mean by this I don't appreciate you calling me a turncoat for no reason? I just wrote that "been living under a rock" thing because I saw some silly posts about sc2 ruining e-sports when in fact it feels the opposite for me (can't keep track of all the tournaments and good stuff going on). And the "everyone can compete" thing instead of the need for a license etc is great.

And yes I totally get the arguments from PoP and others and if had any interest in bw left in me I would probably be upset as well and I wouldn't mind if both games co-existed.

But it's not wrong to be happy about seeing life flourishing into your favorite thing to do and I love that many of my old heroes can return to this game. And I don't want to sound like a selfish pig but I kind of hoped that bw would come crashing down rather then slowly crumble away.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
October 12 2010 19:40 GMT
#132
On October 13 2010 04:37 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 04:24 Murderotica wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:09 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone thinks e-sports is better off not having sc2 they have been living under a rock imo.

Turncoat.


What do you mean by this I don't appreciate you calling me a turncoat for no reason? I just wrote that "been living under a rock" thing because I saw some silly posts about sc2 ruining e-sports when in fact it feels the opposite for me (can't keep track of all the tournaments and good stuff going on). And the "everyone can compete" thing instead of the need for a license etc is great.

And yes I totally get the arguments from PoP and others and if had any interest in bw left in me I would probably be upset as well and I wouldn't mind if both games co-existed.

But it's not wrong to be happy about seeing life flourishing into your favorite thing to do and I love that many of my old heroes can return to this game. And I don't want to sound like a selfish pig but I kind of hoped that bw would come crashing down rather then slowly crumble away.

I can't think of something acceptable to post in response to this, sorry.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
October 12 2010 19:40 GMT
#133
REACH!

REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH!

Ahem. I will be very sad to MBC go if that's true. My "Flying The Heroes" t-shirt will succor a distant memory.
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
"He's from Sweden, man. We have to fight polar bears on our way to school." -- Yusername
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
October 12 2010 19:42 GMT
#134
The mill keeps on churning... and my heart keeps on turning.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-12 19:43:41
October 12 2010 19:43 GMT
#135
On October 13 2010 03:30 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:18 Kenny wrote:
This. Couldn't have said it better myself. It is natural as humans to be upset with change, but this too can grow into a wonderful and competitive game that we all come to love. Sure BW was amazing and will always be in our eyes, but its been 10 years guys...time to move on.


Thing is, the fans should decide this, not the money.

(Korean) BW isn't dying because the korean fans want to watch SC2 all of a sudden. There were TONS of people showing up at every single live event in Korea last year. They still love the game and many foreigners still do, too. And it didn't become that way because whatever companies threw huge amounts of money and proclame their game the new greatest e-sport, it became that way because the game was loved by the players and by the fans and has been so for 10 years full of awesome stuff .

TLDR: Money should go where the fans want to go, not the other way around. The way things seem to be occuring seems everything but natural, and that's really really sad.


I've noticed that whenever PoP makes a post in one of these threads, he always manages to express exactly what I'm thinking so perfectly.

People don't understand that we're not bitching about BW dying; we're bitching about BW being murdered.
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
October 12 2010 19:48 GMT
#136
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

I hope this is just a bunch of rumors.

I dont want to lose my bw...T_T
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
October 12 2010 19:51 GMT
#137
Bad. This is terrible news. I'm even mad at Milkis for posting this. I feel like killing the shit out of something now.

This day started so relaxed and cool. Suddenly... Rage. Call me when SC2 is at least on the level BW was a year ago and maybe I'll think about watching this.

TL has been switching to SC2 pretty hard too. I mostly just hang around the S&G Forums as it is if BW is gone... Hell I don't know. This is just sad.

This is the douchiest post in my TL history but dammit this situation calls for it. Anyone that is happy that BW pro-scene is in trouble should spontaneously combust. You are an unappreciative, ignorant, hypocritical little scrub that has no idea what SC:BW means for the the gaming scene and people's lives. The SC2 scene is standing on BW's shoulders right now and while it might eventually crush it it wouldn't be anywhere close to were it is if BW wasn't there first.

*BOOM!*
Part Time Ninja
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
October 12 2010 19:51 GMT
#138
I would like to say this and i stand behind this statement completely. If SC2 was not called Starcraft 2 and wasn't from Blizzard - There would be probably like 3-5% of bw players switching to it completely and probably not a big chance of very succesful e-sport in there. About 80% of whole teams and top foreign players are switching to it only because of money/popularity and bigger chance to maybe achieve something. Not because they think it is better game or has bigger potential. I might be wrong but i am pretty sure it is very close to that what i said. The bw scene should have stayed like it was and continued developing and SC2 scene should've been going it's way aside it and not top it the day it was released...i mean what kind of forced bs is that.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
October 12 2010 19:52 GMT
#139
On October 13 2010 03:21 snowdrift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:18 Kenny wrote:
On October 13 2010 01:55 Nu11 wrote:
Just a question, and I do not intend to make anyone angry, please understand that is not my purpose.

I have been a fan of Starcraft since it was born. Starcraft 2 is the evolution of starcraft. It is just as much starcraft and more.. why do so many people not want to accept starcraft 2?

I would just like to know what the reasoning is. Do you not see any potential in the fresh new strategies, of potentially seeing a new boxer born, of seeing new teams, new drama, new upsets and virtually a whole new metagame evolve?

Why does everyone want to stick with Starcraft? I mean, it has a sequel now... in Broodwar are we just going to see no one but jaedong / flash dominate?

I know that you all love broodwar so much. I do too. 10 years of my life partially dedicated to the game. I have been in tears over many games and upsets over the years, I am a relativity new member of TL but the soul and spirit of STARCRAFT is in SC2.

I just found the game to be getting rather stale. It's been a long time. We haven't had anyone creative come along in so long. Every game is so predictable. The best players right now just play cookie cutter every single game because it's perfected. I Personally want to see the evolution again, new strategies, new winners, new faces, familiar faces. Same soul, same experience.

If they can exist side by side... then do it! Broodwar is a classic. But SC2 needs to grow. Korea needs to play it. It is the evolution, the step up of their game.


100% respect to everyone who thinks differently than me. It is your hobby and your choice to, but you should try to open up a bit. There was a time when starcraft never existed. Do you remember how enjoyable it was to discover anew? It can happen again. Legacy can be born again. I personally want to be here to see it happen.



and about the money.. of course. That's the only reason professional starcraft ever existed. Money, no other reason. SC2 is no different.


Sure BW was amazing and will always be in our eyes, but its been 10 years guys...time to move on.


This is like the absolute worst argument ever. It's not even an argument. Why exactly is it time to move on? How is 10 years a long time? "Wow guys, football is over 100 years old, it's really time to move on now."


time to move on to football 2!
I drop suckas like Plinko
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
October 12 2010 19:53 GMT
#140
On October 13 2010 04:40 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 04:37 Patriot.dlk wrote:
On October 13 2010 04:24 Murderotica wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:09 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone thinks e-sports is better off not having sc2 they have been living under a rock imo.

Turncoat.


What do you mean by this I don't appreciate you calling me a turncoat for no reason? I just wrote that "been living under a rock" thing because I saw some silly posts about sc2 ruining e-sports when in fact it feels the opposite for me (can't keep track of all the tournaments and good stuff going on). And the "everyone can compete" thing instead of the need for a license etc is great.

And yes I totally get the arguments from PoP and others and if had any interest in bw left in me I would probably be upset as well and I wouldn't mind if both games co-existed.

But it's not wrong to be happy about seeing life flourishing into your favorite thing to do and I love that many of my old heroes can return to this game. And I don't want to sound like a selfish pig but I kind of hoped that bw would come crashing down rather then slowly crumble away.

I can't think of something acceptable to post in response to this, sorry.


Hrmm, I'll try to explain better. I never expected bw to survive sc2, Since it was going so strong I was not sure at all but the was blizzard was hard launching sc2, i expected bw to go down slow in a crumbling fashion... This for me would be a very sad thing to see I never want my heroes to go down like that and I think it's better if they don't...
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