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Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
October 07 2010 19:45 GMT
#1
So here's a question for anyone who knows. A friend of mine has been working at job that is 55 hours a week and at a crappy place, he wants to quit this job.. He tried to quit today and they said they would take a chunk of his paycheck unless he worked another week before quitting.

I was under the impression that you could quit anytime you wanted to and that two weeks notice was more of a formality and something you did for a place so they had time to find a replacement and fair warning, but not required.

Am I wrong on this?

Is it legal for his workplace to say "work another week or we are keeping half your check" (The check being for hours that he has already worked)

(Please note this is in the US)

Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17056 Posts
October 07 2010 19:49 GMT
#2
I find it highly suspect, but there might have been something in his contract that he signed that makes it legal. :/
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Nokarot
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1410 Posts
October 07 2010 19:50 GMT
#3
Yeah, that sounds like bullshit. It may be on his contract that he signed beforehand, but otherwise it sounds illegal.

Two weeks notice has always been kind of a courtesy, to my knowledge. Leaving without it burns bridges and generally doesn't allow you to have a letter of recommendation, let alone a former supervisor to call for future employers.
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CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
October 07 2010 19:51 GMT
#4
Normally i'm pretty sure they can't do that, but there may be a contract that hes violating that allows his employer to do that.
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ehcg
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada41 Posts
October 07 2010 20:14 GMT
#5
I'm not sure about the USA, and I suspect that it is probably based on state law.

Here in Canada it is provincially regulated. s. 58 of the Alberta Employment Standards Code provides:

Termination of employment by an employee
58(1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (2), to terminate
employment an employee must give the employer a written
termination notice of at least
(a) one week, if the employee has been employed by the
employer for more than 3 months but less than 2 years, or
(b) 2 weeks, if the employee has been employed by the
employer for 2 years or more.

and then a long list of exceptions.

It is very likely that your state (if it is a state matter) or the federal government has an accessible website explaining employment standard laws.

I'd recommend using your google-fu to check quickly.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 20:15:56
October 07 2010 20:14 GMT
#6
On October 08 2010 04:49 Empyrean wrote:
I find it highly suspect, but there might have been something in his contract that he signed that makes it legal. :/

yeah check that first, but also, they know that he'd have to go through hoops to legally get that....

i mean, you could call whatever local or state authority it is that protects those rights and scare them, but you are also probably making sure that bridge is burnt for future references. Unless you've really been wronged, it's best to 2 week it and not be a douchebag, because that's a huge pain in the ass for the employer.

If you're applying to a new job, it varies by state, but your ex boss may legally be able to give input about what he thought about your buddy, and it won't be pleasant if he leaves without 2 weeks.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19202 Posts
October 07 2010 20:22 GMT
#7
Withholding pay earned is illegal. Contract or not.
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ehcg
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada41 Posts
October 07 2010 20:45 GMT
#8
Never paying the wages may not be legal, but under the Alberta Employment Standards Code if you quit without giving notice they don't have to pay you until 10 consecutive days after the notice period would have ended if it was given (s. 10(3))

Again, consult state law.
Iakya
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
October 07 2010 21:18 GMT
#9
Its possible he misunderstood the terms. He may have unused personal time which can sometimes be cashed out at the end of employment. At my work they will include any paid personal time accrued in your last paycheck after you quit unless you didn't fully work the rest of your scheduled hours (e.g. not showing up any more).
haaduken
Profile Joined March 2010
United States41 Posts
October 07 2010 21:19 GMT
#10
2 weeks notice is required to be given if the company fires you. Employees do not need to give 2 weeks notice if they decide to quit. Even if they tell you not to come, they have to pay you for 2 weeks.
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Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
October 07 2010 21:30 GMT
#11
On October 08 2010 04:45 Eben wrote:
So here's a question for anyone who knows. A friend of mine has been working at job that is 55 hours a week and at a crappy place, he wants to quit this job.. He tried to quit today and they said they would take a chunk of his paycheck unless he worked another week before quitting.

I was under the impression that you could quit anytime you wanted to and that two weeks notice was more of a formality and something you did for a place so they had time to find a replacement and fair warning, but not required.

Am I wrong on this?

Is it legal for his workplace to say "work another week or we are keeping half your check" (The check being for hours that he has already worked)

(Please note this is in the US)


Don't know how it works in the US, but here in the UK, the smart tactic to use against an employer who defaults paying an employee is not to take them to an employment tribunal, but to inform the taxman. See, here in the UK, income tax is usually paid by the employer to the government out of the employee's wages and if an employer isn't paying YOU the wages he owes you, he isn't paying the government the tax he owes them. The courts designed for enforcing employment law are relatively toothless - they're generally civil courts and of course you need to provide your own legal representation, and at the end of the day the employer is likely going to be made to pay up, so it doesn't hurt him any more than paying you in the first place.

But when the Inland Revenue hears they're not getting their money, then it's the government's lawyers on the case, and the case is 'tax evasion' and it's held in the criminal courts, and the employer could easily find himself going to jail. Naturally, that's MUCH more effective at scaring the bastards into paying up.

I don't know if this is of any help with the American system, but I figure I'd mention it, just in case it helps.

Cauld
Profile Joined February 2010
United States350 Posts
October 07 2010 23:05 GMT
#12
On October 08 2010 05:22 tofucake wrote:
Withholding pay earned is illegal. Contract or not.


All they have to do is phrase their pay as 7.25/hour + 7.25/hour bonus. Then they can simply withhold the 'bonus' portion of a check. I would imagine that this is how they do it.
kingcoyote
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States546 Posts
October 07 2010 23:21 GMT
#13
I saw a situation go down a few years ago where an employee had deferred his insurance for a few months, to where he owed the company about $1,000 that would be taken out in upcoming paychecks. The agreement had been made and signed between the two, and he had received insurance benefits during that period. So when he suddenly quit, his last check was for nothing. By the letter of the agreement, he owed the company about $200 still ($1000 owed - final check withheld at $800), but the company agreed to just forget about the money. He was pissed off, but really didn't have a leg to stand on because of the agreement made with the company in regards to insurance.

If your friend is in a similar situation, where he owes the company money for any reason, then they may be within their rights to simply collect it out of his last check.
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
October 07 2010 23:54 GMT
#14
On October 08 2010 06:19 haaduken wrote:
2 weeks notice is required to be given if the company fires you. Employees do not need to give 2 weeks notice if they decide to quit. Even if they tell you not to come, they have to pay you for 2 weeks.


That is not true, at least in the United States. They just pack up your stuff and tell you to go. Do you think they really want to give someone they fired two weeks two poke around to see what kind of client information / proprietary databases they can memorize/sneak out? Not to mention the demoralizing aspect of your co-workers having to work next to someone who has just been fired.

The 2 weeks notice is when you quit, so that you allow your company to transition someone else into your role, and so you can train that person, etc etc. Obviously you can rage-quit, but it burns bridges
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Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
October 07 2010 23:59 GMT
#15
Read a contract if applicable first.
In general it's courtesy to give 2 weeks notice, though.
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
October 08 2010 00:50 GMT
#16
Just tell him; "Look boss... in two weeks you will notice I haven't been showing up for two weeks" case solved
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 00:58:22
October 08 2010 00:57 GMT
#17
It depends where you live. Look at the contract, google your local labour laws. In general, you will be paid for what you work though.
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geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
October 08 2010 02:58 GMT
#18
On October 08 2010 04:45 Eben wrote:
So here's a question for anyone who knows. A friend of mine has been working at job that is 55 hours a week and at a crappy place, he wants to quit this job.. He tried to quit today and they said they would take a chunk of his paycheck unless he worked another week before quitting.

I was under the impression that you could quit anytime you wanted to and that two weeks notice was more of a formality and something you did for a place so they had time to find a replacement and fair warning, but not required.

Am I wrong on this?

Is it legal for his workplace to say "work another week or we are keeping half your check" (The check being for hours that he has already worked)

(Please note this is in the US)


they are not allowed to do that. they have to pay him for work he has done. additionally, they can't make him work past 40 hours a week without overtime. consult his job offer paperwork. he can always report his employers (or threaten to) to the department of labor or some sort of labor board.
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