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Rant 1: STOP with the damn BW Comparisons - Page 3

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Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
September 24 2010 21:07 GMT
#41
I hate doing this but:

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User was warned for this post
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32049 Posts
September 24 2010 21:10 GMT
#42
On September 25 2010 06:04 Otakusan wrote:
I even feel that recently I have grown extremely bored of SC2 because of the game's simplicity. I don't know, maybe strategies haven't been more developed. This extreme feeling of boredom often takes over me when I 1a a group of 24 vikings into wiping out all enemy air, or 1a a control group of 8 voidrays and 6 colossus into win. Especially in 3v3's.


Try playing better people who don't let you mass up an army like that?? I mean, come on, of all the arguments to present... There is a whole lot of shit you have to do to get to the point of having an army like that, and unless you are playing a total moron who lets you do that, it's not nearly as easy as you are making it to be.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8087 Posts
September 24 2010 21:15 GMT
#43
On September 25 2010 06:07 Garrl wrote:
I hate doing this but:

Show nested quote +
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you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right?
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matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 21:25:00
September 24 2010 21:23 GMT
#44
On September 25 2010 06:15 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 06:07 Garrl wrote:
I hate doing this but:

Joined TL.net Friday, 23rd of April 2010


you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right?


Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly.

-only caring about graphics and system, check
-dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check
-acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check
-just making stupid posts in general, check
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32049 Posts
September 24 2010 21:37 GMT
#45
On September 25 2010 06:23 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 06:15 Ideas wrote:
On September 25 2010 06:07 Garrl wrote:
I hate doing this but:

Joined TL.net Friday, 23rd of April 2010


you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right?


Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly.

-only caring about graphics and system, check
-dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check
-acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check
-just making stupid posts in general, check


Hmm, I'm part of this fabled BW generation, and as I stated before, I agree with the general gist of his arguement, but not really how he presented it. As did Chill. Pretty sure he's been around a long time too!

And never mind that. I'm more interested how you got your checklist from this:
"Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true."

It says nothing about him caring about only graphics.
It says nothing about it being a shitty game. (Actually quite the opposite: "SC1 was revolutionary for the time" Perhaps you need to update your thesaurus.)
He calls it buggy—that's absolutely impossible to argue.

Besides shitting on the thread, what are you doing?? Sure as hell ain't contributing.

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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
September 24 2010 21:42 GMT
#46
another turd for the history books
You can't fight the feeling.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
September 24 2010 21:43 GMT
#47
I can never understand people who take one extreme position, sets it up as some holy icon, worships it, and go "I can stop thinking now". Both sides.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
September 24 2010 21:50 GMT
#48
On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 06:23 matjlav wrote:
On September 25 2010 06:15 Ideas wrote:
On September 25 2010 06:07 Garrl wrote:
I hate doing this but:

Joined TL.net Friday, 23rd of April 2010


you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right?


Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly.

-only caring about graphics and system, check
-dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check
-acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check
-just making stupid posts in general, check


Hmm, I'm part of this fabled BW generation, and as I stated before, I agree with the general gist of his arguement, but not really how he presented it. As did Chill. Pretty sure he's been around a long time too!

And never mind that. I'm more interested how you got your checklist from this:
"Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true."

It says nothing about him caring about only graphics.
It says nothing about it being a shitty game. (Actually quite the opposite: "SC1 was revolutionary for the time" Perhaps you need to update your thesaurus.)
He calls it buggy—that's absolutely impossible to argue.

Besides shitting on the thread, what are you doing?? Sure as hell ain't contributing.


I think the problem people have in this thread is that he's telling us to stop bitching about Starcraft II and saying how it's so easy with mbs and 144 unit selection, its sounds aren't recognizable, the graphics make for a worse viewing experience, lower potential skill cap etc. (i.e. all the bad points when compared to SC:BW) and in his OP he goes and lists only what Starcraft II does better than SC:BW (i.e. comparing the two games favorable to the SCII side, exactly how the people he condemns does it but on a different side).

He basically says, "Don't compare SCII to SC:BW. Here's a list of things SCII does better than SC:BW when I compare them. SCII is a better game [when you compare them] but you're all too blinded to enjoy it. Only compare SCII to RTS games made today, not to SC:BW."

That's kinda insane logic, telling us to recognize SCII as a better game cause all the points SC:BW people have are invalid due to nostalgia, not actual facts.
trevabob
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom350 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 22:10:51
September 24 2010 21:52 GMT
#49
On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:

Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true.



#1: I bought SC in 2006, played SP for like 10 mins and then went back to CoD2 or WoW or whatever. I too joined with the SC2 buzz - no nostalgia here

#2: Sound and voice acting quality has been important since when? there are sound effects and they are easily recognizable, that's all you need in a competitive rts.

#3: Did it hurt? no. Is it true? sure. These are the things that make bw what it is. Many of the worst features of SC2 are the things that they "fixed" from bw. Think about it; no bugs means no muta stacking. No shitty pathing means no incredible micro.

urgh

p.s. If bw UI is so terrible, why is your SC2 ui the same but more shiny? shouldn't that have been "fixed" with all the other good things about bw?

In a more on topic tone, you really want people not to compare a game to its prequel? That's not going to happen in the world I live in.


edit: Having reread my post it seems like I think SC2 is the aborted child of Satan and Hitler. This is not the case, SC2 is kinda fun, but the OP just made me fucking rage. That is all.
metamage1
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada29 Posts
September 24 2010 21:57 GMT
#50
Stop BW and SC2 comparisons with a comparison thread!

Honestly, I find that SC2 is pretty, but can be so damn boring while BW is ugly, but has more fast paced action with more to do. Simplicity isn't very fun
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 24 2010 22:03 GMT
#51
So seriously... I would punch you in the face if I knew you -_-

Everything you listed as a "Problem" from BW is what made the game great. And your whole spiel about beating the game and not your opponent is complete bullshit. The game is so basic that it requires much more micro and management than SC2, that can be agreed upon by EVERYONE.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 24 2010 22:05 GMT
#52
On September 25 2010 06:23 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 06:15 Ideas wrote:
On September 25 2010 06:07 Garrl wrote:
I hate doing this but:

Joined TL.net Friday, 23rd of April 2010


you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right?


Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly.

-only caring about graphics and system, check
-dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check
-acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check
-just making stupid posts in general, check



I completely agree with this. Every person who doesn't like BW has this list to fall back on and try to make their point. Accurate.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 22:15:22
September 24 2010 22:07 GMT
#53
I haven't heard of TeamLiquid before registering, and came and registered only because it was useful for my exploration of SC2 at that time. However, since then I followed dozens (maybe hundreds) of matches and VODs from the BW leagues. And I must admit SC2 has major issues to live up to the level of complexity and entertainment that BW has settled. I still appreciate both games though, because they have different qualities. My point is; to assume BW is somehow deficient looks very weird, once you get to know it better. Really, quite the opposite.

For the moment, BW can't replace SC2 and SC2 can't replace BW. And it seems they will have to find ways to co-exist.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
September 24 2010 22:12 GMT
#54
Starcraft had brilliant voice acting.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
September 24 2010 22:14 GMT
#55
If the game is a sequel to a game, of course it has comparisons. Its only logical. And the micro in sc2 sucks. The vulture micro and muta micro was actually HARD in bw, and there were different types of micro like patrol micro and hold micro, and stuff like that. In SC2, Im a zerg player, but i can micro hellions and reapers almost like a pro, because its just move hold move hold
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 24 2010 22:25 GMT
#56
1. Start blog petitioning to stop bickering between fans of BW and SC2
2. Brazenly call BW a shitty game
3. Indirectly insult people who love BW and BW esports
4. Expect people to take you seriously

gj
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Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 22:32:47
September 24 2010 22:31 GMT
#57
I forgive you because of this post:

On July 24 2010 12:40 deth2munkies wrote:
Tch, was hoping for a CJ win here. Ahh well, at least Bisu is doing well again, Protoss represent!


Though I do recommend you to loosen up a bit, this doesn't really achieve much.
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Lumire
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States607 Posts
September 24 2010 23:13 GMT
#58
The problem with sc2 for me is, its just so fucking boring.

I originally came for TL for sc2, but after i started playing sc2 i started getting curious with BW,
so i would play it occasionally when the beta was down or after a long streak of games, but eventually i started liking it more and more, and then i started playing less sc2 and more BW, and then eventually i pretty much just stopped playing sc2 all together, BW was just so much more fun and challenging, sc2 felt like simplified mind games more then an RTS, i might check in on sc2 every now and then just see how things are developing, but i just cant play sc2 over BW anymore.
|| o.o
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 23:26:14
September 24 2010 23:21 GMT
#59
On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2010 06:23 matjlav wrote:
On September 25 2010 06:15 Ideas wrote:
On September 25 2010 06:07 Garrl wrote:
I hate doing this but:

Joined TL.net Friday, 23rd of April 2010


you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right?


Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly.

-only caring about graphics and system, check
-dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check
-acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check
-just making stupid posts in general, check


Hmm, I'm part of this fabled BW generation, and as I stated before, I agree with the general gist of his arguement, but not really how he presented it. As did Chill. Pretty sure he's been around a long time too!


Yup, I agree with the title, too.

On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote:
And never mind that. I'm more interested how you got your checklist from this:
"Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true."

It says nothing about him caring about only graphics.
It says nothing about it being a shitty game. (Actually quite the opposite: "SC1 was revolutionary for the time" Perhaps you need to update your thesaurus.)


On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Yeah, sure, Starcraft 1 was so terrible that you had to not only overcome your opponent, but the game itself to actually win. With Starcraft 2, you don't have to fight the game mechanics as much so you're free to focus on your opponent.


huh, interesting

On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote:
He calls it buggy—that's absolutely impossible to argue.

Besides shitting on the thread, what are you doing?? Sure as hell ain't contributing.


1. I'm shitting on the thread because it's a shitty thread started by a shitty OP. (Edit: I suppose that the thread's not shitty. It's spawned some intelligent discussion. But I stand by my point that the original post was stupid.)
2. I was responding to the person I quoted, expressing that just because the OP points out that he's one of the "SC2 generation" doesn't make his argument any less becoming of the negative stereotypes associated with that generation.

My point is that the OP made a stupid post. I'm not the only person in this thread that's said that.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
September 24 2010 23:36 GMT
#60
Maybe in the future sc3 we'll have bots playing for us and we'll just kinda sit back and enjoy the show. Why macro or micro or do anything when the AI could do it for you? Big nuisance really.
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