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Rant 1: STOP with the damn BW Comparisons - Page 3
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Garrl
Scotland1978 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:04 Otakusan wrote: I even feel that recently I have grown extremely bored of SC2 because of the game's simplicity. I don't know, maybe strategies haven't been more developed. This extreme feeling of boredom often takes over me when I 1a a group of 24 vikings into wiping out all enemy air, or 1a a control group of 8 voidrays and 6 colossus into win. Especially in 3v3's. Try playing better people who don't let you mass up an army like that?? I mean, come on, of all the arguments to present... There is a whole lot of shit you have to do to get to the point of having an army like that, and unless you are playing a total moron who lets you do that, it's not nearly as easy as you are making it to be. | ||
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Ideas
United States8173 Posts
you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right? | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:15 Ideas wrote: you know he(OP) even said that himself in the like 1st paragraph of the post, right? Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly. -only caring about graphics and system, check -dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check -acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check -just making stupid posts in general, check | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:23 matjlav wrote: Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly. -only caring about graphics and system, check -dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check -acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check -just making stupid posts in general, check Hmm, I'm part of this fabled BW generation, and as I stated before, I agree with the general gist of his arguement, but not really how he presented it. As did Chill. Pretty sure he's been around a long time too! And never mind that. I'm more interested how you got your checklist from this: "Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true." It says nothing about him caring about only graphics. It says nothing about it being a shitty game. (Actually quite the opposite: "SC1 was revolutionary for the time" Perhaps you need to update your thesaurus.) He calls it buggy—that's absolutely impossible to argue. Besides shitting on the thread, what are you doing?? Sure as hell ain't contributing. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote: Hmm, I'm part of this fabled BW generation, and as I stated before, I agree with the general gist of his arguement, but not really how he presented it. As did Chill. Pretty sure he's been around a long time too! And never mind that. I'm more interested how you got your checklist from this: "Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true." It says nothing about him caring about only graphics. It says nothing about it being a shitty game. (Actually quite the opposite: "SC1 was revolutionary for the time" Perhaps you need to update your thesaurus.) He calls it buggy—that's absolutely impossible to argue. Besides shitting on the thread, what are you doing?? Sure as hell ain't contributing. I think the problem people have in this thread is that he's telling us to stop bitching about Starcraft II and saying how it's so easy with mbs and 144 unit selection, its sounds aren't recognizable, the graphics make for a worse viewing experience, lower potential skill cap etc. (i.e. all the bad points when compared to SC:BW) and in his OP he goes and lists only what Starcraft II does better than SC:BW (i.e. comparing the two games favorable to the SCII side, exactly how the people he condemns does it but on a different side). He basically says, "Don't compare SCII to SC:BW. Here's a list of things SCII does better than SC:BW when I compare them. SCII is a better game [when you compare them] but you're all too blinded to enjoy it. Only compare SCII to RTS games made today, not to SC:BW." That's kinda insane logic, telling us to recognize SCII as a better game cause all the points SC:BW people have are invalid due to nostalgia, not actual facts. | ||
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trevabob
United Kingdom350 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote: Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true. #1: I bought SC in 2006, played SP for like 10 mins and then went back to CoD2 or WoW or whatever. I too joined with the SC2 buzz - no nostalgia here #2: Sound and voice acting quality has been important since when? there are sound effects and they are easily recognizable, that's all you need in a competitive rts. #3: Did it hurt? no. Is it true? sure. These are the things that make bw what it is. Many of the worst features of SC2 are the things that they "fixed" from bw. Think about it; no bugs means no muta stacking. No shitty pathing means no incredible micro. urgh p.s. If bw UI is so terrible, why is your SC2 ui the same but more shiny? shouldn't that have been "fixed" with all the other good things about bw? In a more on topic tone, you really want people not to compare a game to its prequel? That's not going to happen in the world I live in. edit: Having reread my post it seems like I think SC2 is the aborted child of Satan and Hitler. This is not the case, SC2 is kinda fun, but the OP just made me fucking rage. That is all. | ||
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metamage1
Canada29 Posts
Honestly, I find that SC2 is pretty, but can be so damn boring while BW is ugly, but has more fast paced action with more to do. Simplicity isn't very fun  | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
Everything you listed as a "Problem" from BW is what made the game great. And your whole spiel about beating the game and not your opponent is complete bullshit. The game is so basic that it requires much more micro and management than SC2, that can be agreed upon by EVERYONE. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:23 matjlav wrote: Yes, and he also demonstrated perfectly why the "BW-generation" scoffs at the "SC2-generation" so often. The OP pretty much followed all of the stereotypes perfectly. -only caring about graphics and system, check -dismissing BW as a shitty 10-year-old game, check -acting like he knows anything about the BW scene when in reality he just joined for SC2 and hasn't been paying attention to anything else, check -just making stupid posts in general, check I completely agree with this. Every person who doesn't like BW has this list to fall back on and try to make their point. Accurate. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
For the moment, BW can't replace SC2 and SC2 can't replace BW. And it seems they will have to find ways to co-exist. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
2. Brazenly call BW a shitty game 3. Indirectly insult people who love BW and BW esports 4. Expect people to take you seriously gj | ||
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
On July 24 2010 12:40 deth2munkies wrote: Tch, was hoping for a CJ win here. Ahh well, at least Bisu is doing well again, Protoss represent! Though I do recommend you to loosen up a bit, this doesn't really achieve much. | ||
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Lumire
United States607 Posts
I originally came for TL for sc2, but after i started playing sc2 i started getting curious with BW, so i would play it occasionally when the beta was down or after a long streak of games, but eventually i started liking it more and more, and then i started playing less sc2 and more BW, and then eventually i pretty much just stopped playing sc2 all together, BW was just so much more fun and challenging, sc2 felt like simplified mind games more then an RTS, i might check in on sc2 every now and then just see how things are developing, but i just cant play sc2 over BW anymore. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote: Hmm, I'm part of this fabled BW generation, and as I stated before, I agree with the general gist of his arguement, but not really how he presented it. As did Chill. Pretty sure he's been around a long time too! Yup, I agree with the title, too. On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote: And never mind that. I'm more interested how you got your checklist from this: "Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true." It says nothing about him caring about only graphics. It says nothing about it being a shitty game. (Actually quite the opposite: "SC1 was revolutionary for the time" Perhaps you need to update your thesaurus.) On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote: Yeah, sure, Starcraft 1 was so terrible that you had to not only overcome your opponent, but the game itself to actually win. With Starcraft 2, you don't have to fight the game mechanics as much so you're free to focus on your opponent. huh, interesting On September 25 2010 06:37 Hawk wrote: He calls it buggy—that's absolutely impossible to argue. Besides shitting on the thread, what are you doing?? Sure as hell ain't contributing. 1. I'm shitting on the thread because it's a shitty thread started by a shitty OP. (Edit: I suppose that the thread's not shitty. It's spawned some intelligent discussion. But I stand by my point that the original post was stupid.) 2. I was responding to the person I quoted, expressing that just because the OP points out that he's one of the "SC2 generation" doesn't make his argument any less becoming of the negative stereotypes associated with that generation. My point is that the OP made a stupid post. I'm not the only person in this thread that's said that. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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