EPTalthough yea i think it's stupid whenever I see people turning threads into SC2 vs BW all the time (this happens a LOT in BW forum). but there's not much you can do about that until sc2 isnt so new.
Rant 1: STOP with the damn BW Comparisons - Page 2
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Ideas
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although yea i think it's stupid whenever I see people turning threads into SC2 vs BW all the time (this happens a LOT in BW forum). but there's not much you can do about that until sc2 isnt so new. | ||
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United States8180 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:12 DragoonPK wrote: Really dude? I love BW to death and still think its the greatest RTS ever made. Comparison to BW is not the problem, the problem is people not giving SC2 a chance. Blantly saying its bad from now doesnt make sense to me. In addition , dont talk like you lived the whole BW scene, because trust me if you weren't there during the Daum OSL finals watching GGplay vs Iris then you have no idea how much BW means to people and why we always compare SC2 to it. this thread is probably going to get closed but I want to ask you something about this (not trying to start any flaming btw though). I played the beta for a good 100+ hours and then during release for about 2 weeks before giving SC2 up for good (havent played since then). do you think I gave it enough of a chance? I just found the game so much less engaging to play (and even more-so to watch). | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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FiBsTeR
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disciple
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SubtleArt
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote: Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today. Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true. So you preface your argument by stating that SC2 should not be compared to SC1, and then follow that up by comparing SC2 to SC1. Kinda hypocritical don't you think? Honestly, I don't really care if the 2 games are treated separately, but it's posts like this that make me upset. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
SC1 was revolutionary for the time, but now it's outdated, and 90% of the things you're bitching about (reduced micro potential, et al) are actually improvements rather than problems. Yeah, sure, Starcraft 1 was so terrible that you had to not only overcome your opponent, but the game itself to actually win. With Starcraft 2, you don't have to fight the game mechanics as much so you're free to focus on your opponent. That's what made Starcraft: BW that much of a better game. There was a lot more to the game to master besides the basic things. With the reduced micro potential and whatnot, it essentially lowers the peak skill required to play at high levels. I really have to disagree with your rant, though. The reason why people compare SC:BW and SC2 is not a bad thing is because BW is the measuring stick of most other RTS games. If you've read Beowulf, BW would be the equivalent of Shild Scilding. | ||
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DragoonPK
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On September 25 2010 05:16 Ideas wrote: this thread is probably going to get closed but I want to ask you something about this (not trying to start any flaming btw though). I played the beta for a good 100+ hours and then during release for about 2 weeks before giving SC2 up for good (havent played since then). do you think I gave it enough of a chance? I just found the game so much less engaging to play (and even more-so to watch). Yeah true, right now SC2 is not as good as BW, but I think there is a lot of potential you know? Maybe a years time? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
I do not really get as excited watching SC2 plays than something incredibly difficult to pull off in SC1 because in SC2 I know even if someone like Tester can do it, someone else in diamond also can do something very similar. That's a slight exaggeration, but there is a lot of truth in it too. Especially, since cloning is made easy by smart casting. | ||
Chill
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QuanticHawk
United States32159 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:41 Chill wrote: I think a shallow comparison to BW is valid (ie. mechanics, UI, gameplay, etc.). Comparing the depth of strategy and tactics isn't too valid, yet. I think some people have been taking it to one extreme, and you took it pretty far in the other direction. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Yeah pretty much. I agree with your sentiments, OP, but you butchered the execution. But yeah, far, far too many people keep trying to compare things to BW when it's not even a valid comparison. I can't stand the 'This is how this unit worked in bw' or 'this is how this strat worked in bw' arguments. It's not fucking BW!!!!!! | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
BW is the only real competitive RTS ever and SC2 pretty much tries to be exactly the same with updated graphics and gameplay changes. And all you say about BW is bad trolling anyways...maybe you should´ve done something else than DT´s the times you played. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:41 Chill wrote: I think a shallow comparison to BW is valid (ie. mechanics, UI, gameplay, etc.). Comparing the depth of strategy and tactics isn't too valid, yet. I think some people have been taking it to one extreme, and you took it pretty far in the other direction. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Seems like Chill is always there to make the moderate opinion I want to :/ | ||
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Ideas
United States8180 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:38 DragoonPK wrote: Yeah true, right now SC2 is not as good as BW, but I think there is a lot of potential you know? Maybe a years time? maybe ill try it again in a year, but I just dont see how so many people are abandoning the clearly superior game right now. the most fun I had in SC2 was trying to perfect a new BO and coming up with strats and counters by myself, which admittedly is really hard to do in BW. where SC2 loses me is on so many other levels though, not just UI and mechanical (lack of) depth. i hate how shallow most units are, the way the matchups work, the way the maps are, the way it blows as a spectator sport, the entire design of zerg, complete lack of interesting micro, etc . while some of these things MAY get improved in time, I think a lot of it will always be the same (for instance, mutalisks will ALWAYS be super fucking lame compared to BW mutas, high ground will NEVER have a real advantage any more, etc) and that there's nothing that can be done with the current SC2 model without drastic redesigns that will never happen. maybe sc3 will stand a better chance but just adding in 2 more units per race wont fix a lot of these problems (although there's a CHANCE that some real micro won't be discovered, we've already seen blizzard remove some of it as they did to the infestor trick). | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
 I think some BW players take their glorification of BW way to far and that it can get out of hand, but no comparison to BW at all is also a bad thing. There's a middle ground that is slowly being reached I think. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On September 25 2010 05:56 Nytefish wrote: Seems like Chill is always there to make the moderate opinion I want to :/ Whenever chill posts in a blog you pretty much have to agree. D: | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
Brood War is considered the most balanced RTS and is held in highest conceivable rank in terms of Real Time Strategy games. If, SC2 isn't attempting to compare itself to the best, than what is it doing? | ||
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Otakusan
United States59 Posts
Obviously, SC2 has better graphics and a much easier interface. That's about all it's good for. I even feel that recently I have grown extremely bored of SC2 because of the game's simplicity. I don't know, maybe strategies haven't been more developed. This extreme feeling of boredom often takes over me when I 1a a group of 24 vikings into wiping out all enemy air, or 1a a control group of 8 voidrays and 6 colossus into win. Especially in 3v3's. I don't really know about you. | ||
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