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Preface: Yeah, check the join date, I joined during the SC2 beta where I heard TL was to Starcraft 2, EJ was to WoW. Before I joined, I had a tangential relationship at best with the BW scene: I beat my friends at it with DT rushes and occasionally watched a Korean do unreasonably awesome things with it whenever it was linked to me by a 3rd party. So yeah, I'm from the SC2 generation: deal with it.
OK, I get it, this has been a BW site for a long ass time before SC2 was even on the drawing board, but that doesn't mean we have to compare them in every other post. While it's died down some, you still can't get a thread going long enough in the SC2 forums before someone mentions how it was so much better in BW or how lurkers should be in SC2 or how micro was more important in BW, etc. Here's the kicker: None of that shit matters at all. Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today.
Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true.
SC1 was revolutionary for the time, but now it's outdated, and 90% of the things you're bitching about (reduced micro potential, et al) are actually improvements rather than problems. Yeah, sure, Starcraft 1 was so terrible that you had to not only overcome your opponent, but the game itself to actually win. With Starcraft 2, you don't have to fight the game mechanics as much so you're free to focus on your opponent.
People wanting old units/voices/music/micro/etc are too blinded by nostalgia to enjoy the greatest RTS to come out in the last 5 years at least, and it's time SC2 was judged on its own merits or at least against its peers, rather than against a game whose only leg up on SC2 is the same name and nostalgia. So get over it and move on if you want to post about SC2 or in the SC2 forums. Otherwise stick to BW and keep your shit out of my areas.
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On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today.
i'm sorry, but you clearly have no clue what the hell is going on do you?
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Why shouldn't we compare it to scbw? The format is similar - however the best reason to compare the two games is that broodwar is the epitome of competitive gaming - its simply the best game that has ever come out. It has the best balance, amazingly high skill gap, ridiculous mechanics, and the hardest to master game ever. If a board game comes out that people claim as being the best game ever, isn't it fair to compare it to chess and Go?
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oh btw, we're not blinded by nostalgia (many bw supporters are actually relatively new), and you're blinded by shiny graphics :D
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Ok, sorry. I`ll keep my shit out of your area.
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Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true.
Stopped reading right there.
On a side note, BW is considered to be the best RTS at balancing and skill cap. If SC2 is not comparing itself to the best RTS out there, then I don't know what is it trying to do.
If you wish the BW people not to hijack the SC2 forum, you can just ask. Insulting the game won't help at all.
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On September 25 2010 04:48 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today. i'm sorry, but you clearly have no clue what the hell is going on do you?
to further clarify on this somewhat vague reply to this seemingly well-thought out and very emotional OP
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150858
Is a clear example of why SC2 recieves a lot of heat from BW fans, simply because its arrival threatens the BW community more than any other game. That being said as long as they dont destroy each other in the end I'm sure the outcome will be 'favorable' at best.
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u hert mi feelings 
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On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today.
Are you saying that Starcraft: BW isn't an RTS?
And aren't you doing the same thing as the people who compare BW to SC2? Complaining about the differences between the games? I'm confused.
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On September 25 2010 04:53 Monokeros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:48 seRapH wrote:On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today. i'm sorry, but you clearly have no clue what the hell is going on do you? to further clarify on this somewhat vague reply to this seemingly well-thought out and very emotional OP http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150858Is a clear example of why SC2 recieves a lot of heat from BW fans, simply because its arrival threatens the BW community more than any other game. That being said as long as they dont destroy each other in the end I'm sure the outcome will be 'favorable' at best.
Well the OP contradicted himself, unless he was under the impression that BW was NOT in fact a legitimate RTS, which is wrong. And if so, ruins his credibility. Er, at least, that's what I assumed.
And SC2 only effects the BW community in terms of Progaming, the game itself will still have a huge fanbase.
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i think one of the problems is that many people grew up with BW
they grow attached to it and then SC2 comes out, and now they're older and able to pick out the flaws of something instead of blindly thinking something is awesome
also, there's the fact that BW took like 10 years to get awesome and a ton of people are complaining about how there won't be any creativity in SC2 even though it's only been out for 2 months
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I read the forums quite a bit, but i havent read any of these comparisons since phase one beta. could you provide some examples?
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scbw is anything but outdated
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You do know people compare stuff to good or proven stuff? Read any car and driver magazine when they do a review on a sports sedan. 9 times out of 10 they will compare it to a BMW 3 series sedan(Not related except for the fact they are both Sport Sedans(RTS games with mostly the same things).
I do get sick of the BW vs SC2 debacle but that is something else.
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rant all you want your argument is invalid with the points your using.
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So in arguing that we should stop comparing BW to Sc2, you basically compare Sc2 extremely favorably to BW. Good one.
On September 25 2010 04:48 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Starcraft 2 is not attempting to compete with Starcraft 1, it is attempting to compete with Dawn of War, Total War, and other RTS series out today. i'm sorry, but you clearly have no clue what the hell is going on do you?
And Starcraft 2 and BW are not just competitors, they're integral to each others existence. BW built this house, this isn't "your areas". Even if you're not a fan of BW, know your history, or don't attempt to argue it.
Can't wait for Rant #2.
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cool story bro
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 25 2010 04:46 deth2munkies, in a thread called "Rant 1: STOP with the damn BW Comparisons", wrote:
Let's take a non-nostalgia tinted comparison of SC1 vs SC2. SC1 is a buggy game with shit graphics, terrible UI, terrible AI and unit pathing, and sub par sound and voice acting. Did that hurt? It's true.
SC1 was revolutionary for the time, but now it's outdated, and 90% of the things you're bitching about (reduced micro potential, et al) are actually improvements rather than problems. Yeah, sure, Starcraft 1 was so terrible that you had to not only overcome your opponent, but the game itself to actually win. With Starcraft 2, you don't have to fight the game mechanics as much so you're free to focus on your opponent.
How do you want people to take you seriously when your points are so ridiculously wrong and over-exaggerated, while at the same time completely contradicting the very title of your post?
I do agree (partly) with the title though. Good job on that at least.
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This is like those conversations people had about BW when WC3 came out.
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Really dude? I love BW to death and still think its the greatest RTS ever made. Comparison to BW is not the problem, the problem is people not giving SC2 a chance. Blantly saying its bad from now doesnt make sense to me. In addition , dont talk like you lived the whole BW scene, because trust me if you weren't there during the Daum OSL finals watching GGplay vs Iris then you have no idea how much BW means to people and why we always compare SC2 to it.
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