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Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
September 14 2010 05:20 GMT
#21
I would second the opinion of most here that said unless you have some problem with your current mouse, there's no real reason to get a new one.

That said, if you really want a gaming mouse with comparable dimensions, I just measured my Salmosa and came up with ~59mm wide x ~114mm long, so you should get a reasonably similar feel with it.
Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 06:12:42
September 14 2010 06:04 GMT
#22
On September 14 2010 14:20 Macavenger wrote:
I would second the opinion of most here that said unless you have some problem with your current mouse, there's no real reason to get a new one.

That said, if you really want a gaming mouse with comparable dimensions, I just measured my Salmosa and came up with ~59mm wide x ~114mm long, so you should get a reasonably similar feel with it.

the salmosa is more of a fingertip mouse and im a hybrid palm/claw

edit:

i think the kinzu is wining me over...its most like my old mouse, but with a diff sensor etc..ofc optical...

http://www.steelseries.com/us/products/mice/kinzu_optical/specifications

if anyone has any thoughts about it let me know or know a similar mouse from razer or logi
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mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
September 14 2010 06:23 GMT
#23
I have the Logitech g5 battlefield 2142 special edition, razer deathadder 3.5g, and intellimouse explorer 3.0. For FPS, the IMO 3.0 feels the most accurate but when playing sc2, my Death Adder feels more accurate. I'd recommend getting a razer abysuss(normal, not mirror) due to having the same sensor as the death adder 3.5g. It will be around the same size of the Razer Salmosa and will be very LIGHT. the g5, IMO3.0 and the DA are all big mice.

Weight -
Heaviest --- Lightest
DA > g5 > IMO3.0

I picked up the 3.0 a few months ago and it felt VERY light after having used the death adder for about a year. I've used the abyssus and it basically feels like your holding nothing. In reality, any gaming mouse will help you out but if you want the best i'd get the abyssus or if you got the money, wait for the sc2 gear from razer to come out.
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
September 14 2010 07:07 GMT
#24
That Kinzu looks pretty nice. One thing I personally would do and recommend would be to avoid looking at the really fancy specs and just look a the picture and the size specs. Any mouse you buy nowadays is going to be good enough in terms of all the dpi and whatever else they use now. $35 Kinzu does seem like a good way to go if you are set on changing though.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
September 14 2010 07:12 GMT
#25
Microsoft Intellimouse explorer 3.0, look it up, try it out, you shouldn't be disappointed, its cheap (30 bucks on ebay, brand new) sturdy, last a long time, great friction, etc.
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IronMonocle
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
September 14 2010 07:28 GMT
#26
based on the information you have provided i reccomend the razer abyssus
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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
September 14 2010 07:29 GMT
#27
On September 14 2010 13:35 Illusion. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 13:30 sob3k wrote:
Do not buy an LMO if you are playing SC2 at 1680x1050 or up, the DPI isn't sufficient to run with acceptable sensitivity, especially with mouse acceleration off. I have had an LMO for about a year, it rocked for BW but it cannot handle SC2 at higher resolution, it is either very sluggish or it skips pixels.


buy a mouse with modern DPI

yea this might also be a problem since i play at max settings etc...

I just got my LMO and it feels quite suitable even on 1680x1050...I just downloaded the driver software and adjusted my sensitivity through there and I think turned on mouse accel. Is that generally considered "bad?" I feel quite comfortable with my sensitivities and stuff in SC2 and feel like I play even better than with my G5 which has many DPI settings. My sensitivity can get quite high with the LMO after I tweaked it, so it feels just as fast as my G5 but doesn't make my hand cramp up after 2 games.
blop12311
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia68 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 08:13:43
September 14 2010 08:12 GMT
#28
On September 14 2010 16:07 Chaos wrote:
That Kinzu looks pretty nice. One thing I personally would do and recommend would be to avoid looking at the really fancy specs and just look a the picture and the size specs. Any mouse you buy nowadays is going to be good enough in terms of all the dpi and whatever else they use now. $35 Kinzu does seem like a good way to go if you are set on changing though.


Totally agree with you on the Kinzu... to an extent. From the looks of OPs current mouse, the Kinzu shape would probably fit him. Too bad the Kinzu has the worst sensor known to man. I prefer its shape over every mouse I've tried, and unfortunately it's rotting away in my drawer as I type this. And before anyone mentions the Xai, imo sucks due to its increased size, weight and more importantly price ($120+ here in au$land).

Using the Abyssus now, not entirely happy with its shape but I love its weight and sensor.
Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
September 14 2010 08:26 GMT
#29
On September 14 2010 17:12 AllanD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:07 Chaos wrote:
That Kinzu looks pretty nice. One thing I personally would do and recommend would be to avoid looking at the really fancy specs and just look a the picture and the size specs. Any mouse you buy nowadays is going to be good enough in terms of all the dpi and whatever else they use now. $35 Kinzu does seem like a good way to go if you are set on changing though.


Totally agree with you on the Kinzu... to an extent. From the looks of OPs current mouse, the Kinzu shape would probably fit him. Too bad the Kinzu has the worst sensor known to man. I prefer its shape over every mouse I've tried, and unfortunately it's rotting away in my drawer as I type this. And before anyone mentions the Xai, imo sucks due to its increased size, weight and more importantly price ($120+ here in au$land).

Using the Abyssus now, not entirely happy with its shape but I love its weight and sensor.

yea the thing is that with most razer mice the shapes are really weird vs the steelseries they are pretty simple etc...

I was tempted to buy a kinzu like 2 weeks ago when there was still a sale on them but yea, i heard about a horrible sensor to...Im leaning towards either steelseries or something not really razor just because their mice are so different im afraid i wont like them..

i wish there was a store near me where i could try out mice before i bought them or at least grip them >.>
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 14 2010 09:13 GMT
#30
On September 14 2010 16:29 Tump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 13:35 Illusion. wrote:
On September 14 2010 13:30 sob3k wrote:
Do not buy an LMO if you are playing SC2 at 1680x1050 or up, the DPI isn't sufficient to run with acceptable sensitivity, especially with mouse acceleration off. I have had an LMO for about a year, it rocked for BW but it cannot handle SC2 at higher resolution, it is either very sluggish or it skips pixels.


buy a mouse with modern DPI

yea this might also be a problem since i play at max settings etc...

I just got my LMO and it feels quite suitable even on 1680x1050...I just downloaded the driver software and adjusted my sensitivity through there and I think turned on mouse accel. Is that generally considered "bad?" I feel quite comfortable with my sensitivities and stuff in SC2 and feel like I play even better than with my G5 which has many DPI settings. My sensitivity can get quite high with the LMO after I tweaked it, so it feels just as fast as my G5 but doesn't make my hand cramp up after 2 games.


yes it is considered bad, all progamers/good players in all games play with no mouse acceleration, it decreases accuracy. You will find that if you turn it off with the LMO you will either have to move to mouse ungodly distances to get across the screen or turn the sensitivity way up and it will begin to skip pixels.

What mouse drivers are you using? The LMO has no native drivers.
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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 10:54:03
September 14 2010 10:38 GMT
#31
SetPoint Settings from Logitech. I'll try and increase the sensitivity without Mouse Accel but I dunno if it's possible based on what you said.

QQ though want a Logitech Mini 2.0 with DPI settings. I just like the size and shape... :{

Edit: Heres a pic of the SetPoint thingy, you can change the pointer speed without turning on accel.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=85865 Artosis uses it too apparently too

You want enhanced mouse precision off too, right?
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
September 14 2010 13:07 GMT
#32
I would say who really cares what is "good" or "bad" about mouse settings. Honestly I don't know if I have acceleration on or off, but does it really matter? I'm not top 10 in the world competing in GSL for a cash prize. I play this game to have fun, and yes I do want to win at it, but the way to do that isn't by buying a new mouse or changing my current mouse settings. Its by actually getting better at the game.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 14 2010 13:47 GMT
#33
On September 14 2010 22:07 Chaos wrote:
I would say who really cares what is "good" or "bad" about mouse settings. Honestly I don't know if I have acceleration on or off, but does it really matter? I'm not top 10 in the world competing in GSL for a cash prize. I play this game to have fun, and yes I do want to win at it, but the way to do that isn't by buying a new mouse or changing my current mouse settings. Its by actually getting better at the game.

Mouse acceleration makes your movements inconsistent. It's difficult to improve if the most basic element of your play is constantly dynamic. It's like practicing tennis with a different sized racket each time, or shooting hoops with a different ball.
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Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
September 14 2010 18:25 GMT
#34
this reminds me, i to have acceleration on in mouse settings for this mouse...It just dosnt move fast enough when playing starcraft
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trevabob
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom350 Posts
September 14 2010 20:42 GMT
#35
I have a razer deathadder (big £50-ish palm-grip right handed 5button monster that fuckin' glows blue and shit) which I bought in my competetive CoD2/4 days. However I don't really like it for starcraft as it feels much more suited to big sweepy movements as its hard to get any fingertip control. I have just purchased a Logitech Mini Optical for £8 (plus delivery) and I have yet to game with it but it feels much more precise.

in conclusion - many "gamer" mice are not that great for rts. most sc progamers use basic mice, try one - they're cheap.
Illusion.
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States348 Posts
September 14 2010 22:15 GMT
#36
im not interested at all in getting another 8$ mouse.
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sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
September 15 2010 15:37 GMT
#37
On September 15 2010 05:42 trevabob wrote:
I have a razer deathadder (big £50-ish palm-grip right handed 5button monster that fuckin' glows blue and shit) which I bought in my competetive CoD2/4 days. However I don't really like it for starcraft as it feels much more suited to big sweepy movements as its hard to get any fingertip control. I have just purchased a Logitech Mini Optical for £8 (plus delivery) and I have yet to game with it but it feels much more precise.

in conclusion - many "gamer" mice are not that great for rts. most sc progamers use basic mice, try one - they're cheap.


Hey Trevabob. Where did you order your Logitech Mini Optical from? I'm in the same boat (UK, FPS vet, think my Deathadder is too heavy for SC), but all the stockists for the Mini Optical looked a little dodgy.

Thanks in advance.
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Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
September 15 2010 22:51 GMT
#38
On September 14 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 22:07 Chaos wrote:
I would say who really cares what is "good" or "bad" about mouse settings. Honestly I don't know if I have acceleration on or off, but does it really matter? I'm not top 10 in the world competing in GSL for a cash prize. I play this game to have fun, and yes I do want to win at it, but the way to do that isn't by buying a new mouse or changing my current mouse settings. Its by actually getting better at the game.

Mouse acceleration makes your movements inconsistent. It's difficult to improve if the most basic element of your play is constantly dynamic. It's like practicing tennis with a different sized racket each time, or shooting hoops with a different ball.


Doesn't it accelerate the same every time?
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