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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
Right now im using the Microsoft basic optical mouse...I love the dimensions of the the mouse located here: ![[image loading]](http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/images/products/bom/mk_productdetails_bom_blk.jpg) My budget it less than 45$... Also i love this optical mouse in every way but i need an upgrade! So any help would be awesome thank you again btw i use a hybrid palm/claw grip  | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
You absolutely need something with a higher DPI to play SC2 effectively. | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
On September 14 2010 12:06 Sfydjklm wrote: i definitely recommend against anything of LMO grade. You absolutely need something with a higher DPI to play SC2 effectively. what is LMO Grade exactly? | ||
thedeadhaji
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
On September 14 2010 12:10 thedeadhaji wrote: why do you need an upgrade if you love this mouse? :O because its not a "gaming" mouse... and ive never had one....perhaps i love it because ive had it for so long...(5+ years) i think | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On September 14 2010 12:11 Illusion. wrote: because its not a "gaming" mouse... and ive never had one....perhaps i love it because ive had it for so long...(5+ years) i think You don't need a "gaming" mouse. Edit: Can't you just look at the dimensions of Razer mice? They're on the pages. | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
The best part? It's only $40. It does only have 450 DPI but the comfort makes such a difference for me. If you like the Intellimouse shape but need something with higher DPI (if you are a high-sensitivity player) then try the Logitech MX518 - it's pretty similar. It costs a little more though. | ||
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
the one you have right now is fine you don't need a "gaming mouse," "right-handed mouse," "macro buttons," or "high DPI" the only thing you need to consider is - is it accurate enough on slow speeds when enhance mouse precision is on? - is it fast enough on fast speeds when enhance mouse precision is on - is it big enough for your palm (just avoid really small mice) - weight - shape basically, just avoid those small USB mice that are too small to control and way too sensitive to be accurate and On September 14 2010 12:25 Uranium wrote: The best part? It's only $40. you can literally go to a pawn shop or something and get a great old ball mouse for $3 no one will do this of course, but i'm just saying a mouse is the one thing you don't need to look to much into on a computer; as long as you can use it comfortably its a great mouse | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
It's good. I got it as a backup for my Salmosa. I like both mice but if you love your current mouse keep it. I had an optical mouse and I loved it, even played CS for 2 years with it. Only reason I upgraded was because I won a Salmosa, and then bought a Kinzu. Love both but I would not ave switched if I hadn't won the Salmosa first. | ||
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PoopLord
537 Posts
oh yea it's a palm grip mouse | ||
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ClanOverdosed
691 Posts
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
Also: Logitech G5 is a sweet mouse. Grab it up. Or really just go down to a store that displays the mice and get a feel for them. They might not have the selection you want but you can definitely find something that feels right. | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
So then I went out and bought a Logitech G5 because I had a lot of recommendations for it and had heard lots of good things. Played with it some, thought it was ok, but I wasn't blown away by any means. After awhile I decided to give the Mini Optical another chance. It was during CSL and I was my teams' Ace player so I practiced a fair amount with it and whatnot. Ended up switching to a fingertip grip and I absolutely love my LMO now. So I guess my point is even if the G5 is a "gaming mouse" and its good quality, that doesn't really mean much of anything. Sure I've heard the LMO supposedly isn't good for sc2 but that hasn't stopped me from reaching 1k+ without putting any real effort into sc2 so far. Don't expect a gaming mouse to make you play better. | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
On September 14 2010 12:50 numLoCK wrote: Hey Illusion, you playing sc2 these days? Also: Logitech G5 is a sweet mouse. Grab it up. Or really just go down to a store that displays the mice and get a feel for them. They might not have the selection you want but you can definitely find something that feels right. omfg numLoCK@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ yes add me  Illusion.403miss you guys... and the G5 looks pretty big...im looking for a mouse with common measurements to those of the mouse posted. @Chaos Wow wow wow this was a perfect post, i have the same mindset as you, but honestly, ill never find out for myself if i never try it out. I mean i know its not going to make me a different player etc...but you never know how it feels till you try | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
"Gaming mice" are overrated in my opinion, using one won't improve your ability to play. Why spend all that money when a cheap mouse can be just as comfortable and effective? | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
Also, a tip to anyone: get rid of mouse acceleration for any game if you haven't already. Just use a mouse pad that has enough surface. It might take a couple of days getting used to no acceleration, but it's worth it. No acceleration basically means there is one less variable deciding how the pointer reacts to a certain hand movement, thus helping your muscle memory "learn" a lot easier. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
buy a mouse with modern DPI | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
On September 14 2010 13:30 sob3k wrote: Do not buy an LMO if you are playing SC2 at 1680x1050 or up, the DPI isn't sufficient to run with acceptable sensitivity, especially with mouse acceleration off. I have had an LMO for about a year, it rocked for BW but it cannot handle SC2 at higher resolution, it is either very sluggish or it skips pixels. buy a mouse with modern DPI yea this might also be a problem since i play at max settings etc... | ||
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Macavenger
United States1132 Posts
That said, if you really want a gaming mouse with comparable dimensions, I just measured my Salmosa and came up with ~59mm wide x ~114mm long, so you should get a reasonably similar feel with it. | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:20 Macavenger wrote: I would second the opinion of most here that said unless you have some problem with your current mouse, there's no real reason to get a new one. That said, if you really want a gaming mouse with comparable dimensions, I just measured my Salmosa and came up with ~59mm wide x ~114mm long, so you should get a reasonably similar feel with it. the salmosa is more of a fingertip mouse and im a hybrid palm/claw edit: i think the kinzu is wining me over...its most like my old mouse, but with a diff sensor etc..ofc optical... http://www.steelseries.com/us/products/mice/kinzu_optical/specifications if anyone has any thoughts about it let me know or know a similar mouse from razer or logi | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
Weight - Heaviest --- Lightest DA > g5 > IMO3.0 I picked up the 3.0 a few months ago and it felt VERY light after having used the death adder for about a year. I've used the abyssus and it basically feels like your holding nothing. In reality, any gaming mouse will help you out but if you want the best i'd get the abyssus or if you got the money, wait for the sc2 gear from razer to come out. | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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IronMonocle
Canada142 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On September 14 2010 13:35 Illusion. wrote: yea this might also be a problem since i play at max settings etc... I just got my LMO and it feels quite suitable even on 1680x1050...I just downloaded the driver software and adjusted my sensitivity through there and I think turned on mouse accel. Is that generally considered "bad?" I feel quite comfortable with my sensitivities and stuff in SC2 and feel like I play even better than with my G5 which has many DPI settings. My sensitivity can get quite high with the LMO after I tweaked it, so it feels just as fast as my G5 but doesn't make my hand cramp up after 2 games. | ||
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blop12311
Australia68 Posts
On September 14 2010 16:07 Chaos wrote: That Kinzu looks pretty nice. One thing I personally would do and recommend would be to avoid looking at the really fancy specs and just look a the picture and the size specs. Any mouse you buy nowadays is going to be good enough in terms of all the dpi and whatever else they use now. $35 Kinzu does seem like a good way to go if you are set on changing though. Totally agree with you on the Kinzu... to an extent. From the looks of OPs current mouse, the Kinzu shape would probably fit him. Too bad the Kinzu has the worst sensor known to man. I prefer its shape over every mouse I've tried, and unfortunately it's rotting away in my drawer as I type this. And before anyone mentions the Xai, imo sucks due to its increased size, weight and more importantly price ($120+ here in au$land). Using the Abyssus now, not entirely happy with its shape but I love its weight and sensor. | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
On September 14 2010 17:12 AllanD wrote: Totally agree with you on the Kinzu... to an extent. From the looks of OPs current mouse, the Kinzu shape would probably fit him. Too bad the Kinzu has the worst sensor known to man. I prefer its shape over every mouse I've tried, and unfortunately it's rotting away in my drawer as I type this. And before anyone mentions the Xai, imo sucks due to its increased size, weight and more importantly price ($120+ here in au$land). Using the Abyssus now, not entirely happy with its shape but I love its weight and sensor. yea the thing is that with most razer mice the shapes are really weird vs the steelseries they are pretty simple etc... I was tempted to buy a kinzu like 2 weeks ago when there was still a sale on them but yea, i heard about a horrible sensor to...Im leaning towards either steelseries or something not really razor just because their mice are so different im afraid i wont like them.. i wish there was a store near me where i could try out mice before i bought them or at least grip them >.> | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On September 14 2010 16:29 Tump wrote: I just got my LMO and it feels quite suitable even on 1680x1050...I just downloaded the driver software and adjusted my sensitivity through there and I think turned on mouse accel. Is that generally considered "bad?" I feel quite comfortable with my sensitivities and stuff in SC2 and feel like I play even better than with my G5 which has many DPI settings. My sensitivity can get quite high with the LMO after I tweaked it, so it feels just as fast as my G5 but doesn't make my hand cramp up after 2 games. yes it is considered bad, all progamers/good players in all games play with no mouse acceleration, it decreases accuracy. You will find that if you turn it off with the LMO you will either have to move to mouse ungodly distances to get across the screen or turn the sensitivity way up and it will begin to skip pixels. What mouse drivers are you using? The LMO has no native drivers. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
QQ though want a Logitech Mini 2.0 with DPI settings. I just like the size and shape... :{ Edit: Heres a pic of the SetPoint thingy, you can change the pointer speed without turning on accel. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8896/newbitmapimagefb.jpg) http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=85865 Artosis uses it too apparently too You want enhanced mouse precision off too, right? | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 14 2010 22:07 Chaos wrote: I would say who really cares what is "good" or "bad" about mouse settings. Honestly I don't know if I have acceleration on or off, but does it really matter? I'm not top 10 in the world competing in GSL for a cash prize. I play this game to have fun, and yes I do want to win at it, but the way to do that isn't by buying a new mouse or changing my current mouse settings. Its by actually getting better at the game. Mouse acceleration makes your movements inconsistent. It's difficult to improve if the most basic element of your play is constantly dynamic. It's like practicing tennis with a different sized racket each time, or shooting hoops with a different ball. | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
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trevabob
United Kingdom350 Posts
in conclusion - many "gamer" mice are not that great for rts. most sc progamers use basic mice, try one - they're cheap. | ||
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
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sammler
United Kingdom381 Posts
On September 15 2010 05:42 trevabob wrote: I have a razer deathadder (big £50-ish palm-grip right handed 5button monster that fuckin' glows blue and shit) which I bought in my competetive CoD2/4 days. However I don't really like it for starcraft as it feels much more suited to big sweepy movements as its hard to get any fingertip control. I have just purchased a Logitech Mini Optical for £8 (plus delivery) and I have yet to game with it but it feels much more precise. in conclusion - many "gamer" mice are not that great for rts. most sc progamers use basic mice, try one - they're cheap. Hey Trevabob. Where did you order your Logitech Mini Optical from? I'm in the same boat (UK, FPS vet, think my Deathadder is too heavy for SC), but all the stockists for the Mini Optical looked a little dodgy. Thanks in advance. | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On September 14 2010 22:47 Jibba wrote: Mouse acceleration makes your movements inconsistent. It's difficult to improve if the most basic element of your play is constantly dynamic. It's like practicing tennis with a different sized racket each time, or shooting hoops with a different ball. Doesn't it accelerate the same every time? | ||
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