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There's a guy in a club I belong to who posted this on the club forum. I want to disagree with it on basis of butterfree being an awful pokemon and the guy interrupting everybody every time they speak.
Posted by /B/utterfree (yeah thats really his name)
Look at my "gamertag". Ignore the slashes, as they are decorative.
If I bothered with Pokemon tournaments, I'd be the guy who has Butterfree as a lead because it is one of my favorite Pokemon. I also think that Smogon doesn't give Butterfree enough credit.
So, out of boredom and "I wonder how others would see these movepools"-type mentality, I present to you a set of movepools that I think are tons better than what Smogon has at the moment. For most movepools I refuse to put SleepPowder in it. Against SleepTalkers and people immune to sleep anyway, it's a waste of a move.
Butterfree has the ability Compoundeyes, allowing moves to be much more accurate. I say that is a very good ability, especially against SandAttack/SmokeScreen abusers.
- Movepool 1: Anti-Dragon -
*Generally, this Butterfree is designed to go against Dragon Pokemon. Try not to laugh too hard. Give Butterfree King's Rock for bonus flinching, or Focus Band so it can live longer (assuming one knows to train Effort Values in Defense/Specials of both sorts more than Speed. Speed without the other stats is fairly insubstantial. Butterfree has better Specials than Speed, and Defense and Speed are on-par with each other. Ditto for HP if you're REALLY conscious about Effort Values. Think about it, maybe laugh a bit harder if you'd like).
1. Hidden Power (Ice/Dragon. Hidden Power is a move that, while initially Normal, changes type to one dependent on Individual Values) [If it's a shiny, you have to have Dragon because it's that or Hidden Power Grass in terms of options for shinies.] - Most, if not all Dragon Pokemon, are doubly weak to Ice. Being part-Flying shouldn't intimidate the player, especially if the Hidden Power is Ice. If the Hidden Power is Dragon, that's fine also. In fact, Kingdra will suffer more [severe] hits from Hidden Power Dragon anyway.
2. StunSpore (Grass) - The Speed of most Dragons is phenomenal and needs to be lowered to confront them anyway. Prevention is also a good thing.
3. Twister (Dragon) - Flinching and denting a person with a Dragon lead. Also, Twister does more damage to Pokemon who use Fly/Bounce. This move is a Tutor-only move, and Butterfree can learn this one.
4. Swagger (Normal) - Confusion > Sleep, Confusion > Poison, and Confusion > Attract. Combine with Paralysis and you have a lockdown, especially if the player likes switching a lot.
- Movepool 2: Anti-Steel Lead-
*Again, try not to laugh so hard. This one in essence allows for someone to get around the Attract immunity of most Steel-types and around the Toxic immunity of all Steel-types. Most of Smogon's movepools don't confront Steel users well when regarding Butterfree.
1. Hidden Power (Fire) - Fire is the biggest weakness for most, if not all, Steel-types.
2. Sunny Day (Fire) - Enhancing Hidden Power Fire is a mandatory option to try to OHKO Steel-types.
3. Solarbeam (Grass) - What, you think that it's going to be a party of only Steel Pokemon? Well, maybe if they're Sandstorming, but even so there's the offchance of a Water/Ground supporter being in the mix of things. This is also one of the few ways that Butterfree can actually have a Grass move do regular (and good, mind you) damage against Empoleon.
4. U-Turn (Bug) - A STAB move, and also a good way to strategize against the support with the other five Pokemon you brought with you.
- Movepool 3: Total Support -
*This one is the most practical. Butterfree's movepool is a bit more diverse than others when it comes to affliction. The only downside is now Butterfree can't be the lead person in a party unless only Defense, Special Defense and Speed are Effort Value'd. In Double Battles, this moveset truly shines.
1. Rain Dance (Water) - People should be having Lapras (Water/Ice), Empoleon (Water/Steel) or Swampert (Water/Ground) as one of the other 5 Pokemon. Why? They cover all the problems Butterfree has, and are all good for dismantling entire parties. It also allows Thunder to deal much more damage, and while Butterfree itself can't learn Thunder, others can (like Lapras).
2. Whirlwind (Normal) - Trade one annoying Sweeper for something much weaker? A deal can actually be made here.
3. Stun Spore (Grass) - Paralysis slows the opposition down. It also allows Butterfree to survive longer.
4. Endure (Normal) - Same as Stun Spore, albeit no Paralysis. If someone switches into an Infernape or otherwise hazardous Pokemon, this move is VERY helpful.
I will quote you and give your username full credit in the response so long as it CRUSHES butterfree. There are potential blog-bans for extremely pro-butterfree posters.
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I'd say don't ignore the /b/ cuase isn't that 4chan... lol
I dislike butterfree, i think its terrible
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lol butterfree as a set-up lead
yeah that makes sense
wait lol why does it have endure in the last set
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I think it's a troll post tbh.
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I'll do it later if noone's up for it
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:O
i... i don't know what to say.... its just so....
ok, let me regain my composure and see if i can write up a rant -_-
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That post is completely troll. I'm pretty sure Butterfree can't OHKO most dragons, even with HP Ice. Move suggestions like Twister and Endure with item suggestions like King's Rock put the nail in this coffin.
Butterfree is still the most consistent sleep lead though (note this does not mean it is the BEST sleep lead, but with scarf, compoundeyes, and sleep powder, it does almost guarantee sleeping the enemy on the first turn)
EDIT: long-winded rant (done):
Set 1: While Stun Spore and Swagger are acceptable moves, Butterfree isn't exactly the bulkiest setup pokemon ever. Butterfree would need a miracle to carry out those two moves, and even then the dragon could counter back with a +2 attack shot.
vs Flygon: While Choice Specs Hidden Power Ice does in fact murder Flygon, due to Flygon's high speed and its tendency to run Choice Scarf with a fire type attack as a standard set, Butterfree will be burnt to a crisp before it can even launch an attack. It could be viable to run Focus Sash on Butterfree in this case, but with the everpresent Stealth Rock, Butterfree will almost always lose that sash.
vs Dragonite: A Choice Scarfed Butterfree would outspeed and .... dent heavily. Again, un-Specs Butterfree will not kill, and once again, Dragonite's superb power would pretty much guarantee the counterattack kill.
Set 2: Hidden Power Fire simply isn't strong enough, and with the presence of Heatran, that gimmick will often work only once.
vs the only really common Steel lead, Metagross: Butterfree without Choice Specs does a pitiful 40% on average against 252/0 neutral nature Metagross. With Choice Specs, Metagross still survives to put up Stealth Rock, and the wary Metagross user will realize Butterfree has Choice Specs and switch out to one of the many pokemon that can set up on a choiced fire type attack. These include Dragonite, Tyranitar, Gyarados, Kingdra, and Heatran, among others.
Set 3: Endure is worthless, since Butterfree doesn't have a reason to survive a hit. Whirlwind is similar; since it goes last, there's no way for Butterfree to take the hit and use it. This Butterfree is quite literally Taunt setup fodder. There are so many better pokemon to set up Rain Dance as a lead, Bronzong, Electrode, and Ludicolo to name a few.
vs this set doesn't even have any plausible matchups at all since many leads are faster and carry taunt
EDIT again: I'll now list a better alternative to each of the three sets:
Set 1 is vastly inferior to Choice Banded Weavile on the attacking side, while pokemon such as Vaporeon can debilitate enemies while launching Ice Beams back and healing itself.
Set 2 simply has zero (0) advantages over every fire type. What good is a gimmick "unexpected" fire move if, even with the surprise factor, it fails to kill? Heatran and Infernape do the job better, even Entei in some circumstances.
Set 3 ... just don't use it. Use Bronzong. I don't even want to look at it.
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Aren't Sand Attack/Smokescreen in the same department as Double Team and therefore not allowed in ladder play?
It's been a while.
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You sure the /b/ wasn't related to 4Chan ?/?
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On September 10 2010 11:40 jon arbuckle wrote:
Aren't Sand Attack/Smokescreen in the same department as Double Team and therefore not allowed in ladder play?
It's been a while.
Sand attack and smokescreen are allowed because your opponent can switch out to negate the effect.
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butterfree is a terrible lead
he is only useful to land a turn 1 sleep powder and even then a lot of leads outspeed him
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Butterfree's Base Stats:
HP- 60
ATK- 45
DEF- 50
SP. ATK- 80
SP. DEF- 80
SPD- 70
1) Assuming this butterfree is switching in to take down the dragon, it has to survive TWO hits because every dragon is faster than it, and there's a high chance that it'll be a fire attack. Let's not forget that even an altaria, not ev trained or iv bred can do almost 50% to butterfree with dragon claw. And that's assuming you somehow take it out in one hit. And that isn't even possible because it wouldn't even be able to take down a flygon in 3 hits. Even if for some reason your opponent is stupid enough to send out their dragon against a butterfree (which is infamous for stun spore/sleep powder), it'd still have a 54% chance of attacking through paralysis AND flinch.
2) Steel-types that butterfree can beat: Forretress. Jirachi has higher speed, lucario can swords dance and extremespeed, magnezone i don't think i have to mention, scizor can survive anything butterfree throws at it and kill with 2 bullet punches, skarmory i don't have to mention, heatran i don't have to mention, metagross i don't have to mention, empoleon is neutral or resistant, bronzong has way too high defensive capabilities + gyro ball. good luck.
3) Empoleon is wayyyy too slow for use on a rain dance team, as is swampert, get a azelf or bronzong or ludicolo or something instead if you really want to make rain dance work. because rain only increases thunder's ACCURACY. not DAMAGE. good luck with whirlwind, considering how FRAGILE butterfree is, endure wastes your rain dance (plus accomplishes nothing since they're probably faster than you anyways).
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First off it looks like the guy only has the barest sense of how competitive play works. He sorta mentions EVs but doesn't even mention a nature/EV spread for any of these builds. Secondly, he mentions utterly ridiculous items that no one should use ever. A focus sash is practically a necessity for butterfree since everything kills it one shot. By starting off saying he refuses to use sleep powder basically means he wants to gimp his moveset by not utilizing butterfree's best move essentially.
The builds people covered already.
Honestly, he sounds as though he doesn't care about using the best possible pokemon anyways, so what's the argument about?
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On September 10 2010 11:55 atombombforpeace wrote:
First off it looks like the guy only has the barest sense of how competitive play works. He sorta mentions EVs but doesn't even mention a nature/EV spread for any of these builds. Secondly, he mentions utterly ridiculous items that no one should use ever. A focus sash is practically a necessity for butterfree since everything kills it one shot. By starting off saying he refuses to use sleep powder basically means he wants to gimp his moveset by not utilizing butterfree's best move essentially.
The builds people covered already.
Honestly, he sounds as though he doesn't care about using the best possible pokemon anyways, so what's the argument about?
think our sc2 forums. thats what this is about.
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Um, it's been awhile since i did any competitive pokemon stuff, but i know for a fact that shiny status hasn't been IV dependent since Gen 2.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shiny
More broadly, this guy is either a troll or a total idiot. Honestly, i suspect the latter more than the former. Not posting builds in the accepted format is a give away that he doesn't know much, as is not providing speed calculations and OHKO probs, especially when he intends to use Butterfly as a lead. Likewise, not saying what tier he intends to play in further make it seem like this guy doesn't know shit. Since he repeatedly mentions Empoleon as both a threat and a good partner, however, I'll assume he's talking about OU. On the whole, 60 that he's dumb, 40 that he's a troll.
Set 1 -
For an anti dragon pokemon, HP ice always > HP dragon
Stun Spore ain't a bad move, but using it would essentially sacrifice butterfly for paralyzing a dragon. This CAN be worth it in certain circumstances, but this poke doesn't have enough going on as a whole to make it worth inclusion in a team.
Twister is just terrible, and Swagger isn't that great an idea either. At best, it's a pseudo haze, at worst an opponent with a good physical or mixed dragon might roll the dice and see how much he can kill with a free swords dance.
Set 2
HP Fire - Butterfly doesn't have the stats to make this move powerful enough, especially when most steels tend to be only x2 weak to fire.
Sunny Day - lolwut?
Solar Beam - Well, if you're gonna take sunny day, you might as well. At the same time, grass is generally not a good offensive type. Also, saying this is a good idea because it does neutral damage to empoleon when HP Fire does the same further undermines his cred.
U-Turn - This move rocks, and i can't fault him including it. It doesn't make butterfly good enough though, even with STAB.
Set 3
Rain Dance - This aint ubers. Last i heard, Ttar is still common enough that you can't count on weather effects, and even if you could this move still ain't that good. Taking thunder on anything is usually a terrible idea unless you can count on rain, which while reasonable in ubers, is not something you want to do in OU.
Whirlwind - Whirlwind has -6 priority, to use it butterfree has to stand up to an attack - fat chance. It can be useful against someone setting up or turtling, but thats at best a one time thing before your opponent realizes what you're up to and smacks butterfree every time it shows it's face.
Stun Spore - Again, not a bad move. At the same time, just like before even with SS butterfree doesn't bring enough to the table to justify taking it.
Endure - Delaying the inevitable. With no moves to capitalize on being at 1hp, there's very little reason to take endure.
Also, even if none of what i said above was true, 4x Stealth Rock weakness is a bitch. Better pokes than butterfree have been knocked down tiers due to this (Articuno, and Moltres are the first that pop into my head).
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On September 10 2010 11:55 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 11:55 atombombforpeace wrote:
First off it looks like the guy only has the barest sense of how competitive play works. He sorta mentions EVs but doesn't even mention a nature/EV spread for any of these builds. Secondly, he mentions utterly ridiculous items that no one should use ever. A focus sash is practically a necessity for butterfree since everything kills it one shot. By starting off saying he refuses to use sleep powder basically means he wants to gimp his moveset by not utilizing butterfree's best move essentially.
The builds people covered already.
Honestly, he sounds as though he doesn't care about using the best possible pokemon anyways, so what's the argument about? think our sc2 forums. thats what this is about.
I was about to post a long-winded analogy which would have been unnecessarily convoluted, but I think Seraph's comparison is quite apt
The post is either totally clueless/misinformed or intentionally terrible in order to troll. I'll give benefit of the doubt, but not without voicing my suspicions.
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On September 10 2010 12:02 LegendaryDreams wrote:
You're all bad.
If you could provide evidence, I might believe that.
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On September 10 2010 11:41 kineSiS- wrote:
You sure the /b/ wasn't related to 4Chan ?/?
lol it is.
On September 10 2010 11:33 infinitestory wrote:
That post is completely troll.
for a variety of reasons I can assure you it really isn't
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On September 10 2010 12:14 KurtistheTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 11:33 infinitestory wrote:
That post is completely troll.
for a variety of reasons I can assure you it really isn't
in that case, I think all my criticisms of the three movesets are fair and valid 
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You can try to pull off some Timid Butterfree, but ultimately it's just way too slow - even in UU.
Butterfree really has a nice moveset, and compoundeyes is cute, but... it just isn't fast enough or bulky enough to do much of anything.
Your best bet is Timid Butterfree, max speed EV, @focus sash; you can sleep whirlwind then try to get lucky and kill something / do a bit of damage?
On September 10 2010 11:33 infinitestory wrote:
I'm pretty sure Butterfree can't OHKO most dragons, even with HP Ice.
Nah, max Sp.Atk EV's on a Butterfree will kill any dragon that is 4x to ice (meaning most of them)
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i think we're all assuming its ou. but it may be able to do something in nu or nfe (though its not... nfe...)
idk though, not familiar with those tiers at all lol.
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On September 10 2010 12:16 synapse wrote:You can try to pull off some Timid Butterfree, but ultimately it's just way too slow - even in UU. Butterfree really has a nice moveset, and compoundeyes is cute, but... it just isn't fast enough or bulky enough to do much of anything. Your best bet is Timid Butterfree, max speed EV, @focus sash; you can sleep whirlwind then try to get lucky and kill something / do a bit of damage? Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 11:33 infinitestory wrote:
I'm pretty sure Butterfree can't OHKO most dragons, even with HP Ice.
Nah, max Sp.Atk EV's on a Butterfree will kill any dragon that is 4x to ice (meaning most of them)
I ran a damage calculation, max SpA Butterfree HP Ice on the standard 252/0 Dragonite doesn't actually kill. You can, however, kill Flygon (although good luck killing it before it kills you)
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About how he says smogon doesn't give butterfree enough credit, if this is a serious comment then he's obviously retarded. Butterfree is a joke at best, it's paper. It loses 50% to SR everytime it shows on the field, it's stats aren't even 400 BST afaik. Even a Jumpluff is better if you want something to sleep with.
His recommendations:
- Movepool 1: Anti-Dragon -
1. Hidden Power (Ice/Dragon) You know most dragons are (dragon / flying) typing or (dragon / ground), so why the hell would you go HP dragon? Also, good luck with your 80 special attack on butterfree.
2. StunSpore (Grass) - Gimmick at best, you can easier thunderwave with a more potent pokemon in the slot instead
3. Twister (Dragon) - Are you fucking retarded? This is not Pokemon on the game boy.
4. Swagger (Normal) - This is not challenge cup either.
- Movepool 2: Anti-Steel Lead-
1. Hidden Power (Fire)
2. Sunny Day (Fire)
3. Solarbeam (Grass)
4. U-Turn (Bug)
Yeah. All I can say is good luck with heatran.
The third movepool is a complete mess and joke and I wont even bother on commenting about it, it's just 4 random moves thrown together.
All in all, butterfree has horrible stats, some pokemon are just unusable because of their stats or typing, butterfree unfortunately holds both accountable to his misfortune. The idea of using compoundeyes to help with its status moves is an idea that should trigger in almost everyone's head when they read about butterfree power, however, it cannot be put to much use with it's 70 base speed stats. You're much better using a breloom (also 70 base speed but much more broken), or even a smeargle if you want to have a fast sleeping pokemon as your lead. Stun spore is a good status move, however, you're much better with a more bulky pokemon with thunder wave, this way you're able to spread the status across for maximum usage instead of a one time thing.
In summary, butterfree is too weak to be used competitively, and is only there as a lead to put slower opponents to sleep. For sleeping lead alternatives, it's best to use Roserade, breloom, or smeargle. Personally, I would recommend scarf venusaur.
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I've posted arguments so far. I'll post his response when I get it
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On September 10 2010 11:41 kineSiS- wrote:
You sure the /b/ wasn't related to 4Chan ?/?
ofcourse it was
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On September 10 2010 12:22 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 12:16 synapse wrote:You can try to pull off some Timid Butterfree, but ultimately it's just way too slow - even in UU. Butterfree really has a nice moveset, and compoundeyes is cute, but... it just isn't fast enough or bulky enough to do much of anything. Your best bet is Timid Butterfree, max speed EV, @focus sash; you can sleep whirlwind then try to get lucky and kill something / do a bit of damage? On September 10 2010 11:33 infinitestory wrote:
I'm pretty sure Butterfree can't OHKO most dragons, even with HP Ice.
Nah, max Sp.Atk EV's on a Butterfree will kill any dragon that is 4x to ice (meaning most of them) I ran a damage calculation, max SpA Butterfree HP Ice on the standard 252/0 Dragonite doesn't actually kill. You can, however, kill Flygon (although good luck killing it before it kills you)
Isn't Dragonite the highest Sp.Def dragon (that is 4x weak to ice)?
I think mence is 80 sp.def, garchomp is somewhere around there, same for flygon (I have one in my team yay).
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- Movepool 1: Anti-Dragon -
*Generally, this Butterfree is designed to go against Dragon Pokemon. Try not to laugh too hard. Give Butterfree King's Rock for bonus flinching, or Focus Band so it can live longer (assuming one knows to train Effort Values in Defense/Specials of both sorts more than Speed. Speed without the other stats is fairly insubstantial. Butterfree has better Specials than Speed, and Defense and Speed are on-par with each other. Ditto for HP if you're REALLY conscious about Effort Values. Think about it, maybe laugh a bit harder if you'd like).
1. Hidden Power (Ice/Dragon. Hidden Power is a move that, while initially Normal, changes type to one dependent on Individual Values) [If it's a shiny, you have to have Dragon because it's that or Hidden Power Grass in terms of options for shinies.] - Most, if not all Dragon Pokemon, are doubly weak to Ice. Being part-Flying shouldn't intimidate the player, especially if the Hidden Power is Ice. If the Hidden Power is Dragon, that's fine also. In fact, Kingdra will suffer more [severe] hits from Hidden Power Dragon anyway.
2. StunSpore (Grass) - The Speed of most Dragons is phenomenal and needs to be lowered to confront them anyway. Prevention is also a good thing.
3. Twister (Dragon) - Flinching and denting a person with a Dragon lead. Also, Twister does more damage to Pokemon who use Fly/Bounce. This move is a Tutor-only move, and Butterfree can learn this one.
4. Swagger (Normal) - Confusion > Sleep, Confusion > Poison, and Confusion > Attract. Combine with Paralysis and you have a lockdown, especially if the player likes switching a lot.
-King's Rock is completely useless on a Butterfree; Butterfree NEEDS that focus sash
-Focus BAND? replace with focus sash
-Hidden Power Ice will do 51-60% damage to bulky Dragonite with max sATK EVs and Modest nature. It won't kill a dragonite even without any EV investments
-Hidden Power Ice will do 63-73% damage to bulky Flygon with max sATK EVs and Modest nature, it CAN kill flygon if flygon doesn't have any EV investments
-Hidden Power Dragon will do 29-34% damage to bulky Kingdra with max sATK EVs and Modest nature. It won't kill a kingdra even without any EV investments
-Every dragon above will 2HKO butterfree (focus sash)
-Every dragon above will kill butterfree in one hit if any entry hazard has been placed down
-Every dragon above will kill btuterfree in one turn if hail/sandstorm is active
-twister has even lower power than hidden power; the flinch gimmick is unreliable
-dragonite typically carry lum berry, rendering stunspore and swagger useless
.: The only way this butterfree can work is by being a lead and hoping that the other team sends out a dragon as well. And even then, your opponent will probably switch out to a sleep absorber.
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On September 10 2010 12:33 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2010 12:22 infinitestory wrote:On September 10 2010 12:16 synapse wrote:You can try to pull off some Timid Butterfree, but ultimately it's just way too slow - even in UU. Butterfree really has a nice moveset, and compoundeyes is cute, but... it just isn't fast enough or bulky enough to do much of anything. Your best bet is Timid Butterfree, max speed EV, @focus sash; you can sleep whirlwind then try to get lucky and kill something / do a bit of damage? On September 10 2010 11:33 infinitestory wrote:
I'm pretty sure Butterfree can't OHKO most dragons, even with HP Ice.
Nah, max Sp.Atk EV's on a Butterfree will kill any dragon that is 4x to ice (meaning most of them) I ran a damage calculation, max SpA Butterfree HP Ice on the standard 252/0 Dragonite doesn't actually kill. You can, however, kill Flygon (although good luck killing it before it kills you) Isn't Dragonite the highest Sp.Def dragon (that is 4x weak to ice)? I think mence is 80 sp.def, garchomp is somewhere around there, same for flygon (I have one in my team yay).
It can do up to 79-93% dmg to garchomp and 89%-OHKOing Salamence
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On September 10 2010 12:02 LegendaryDreams wrote:
You're all bad.
hello /B/utterfree
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Well he hasn't responded to that topic yet, but has to others. I'm bringing that post up on the projector at the next meeting. This is gonna be dramatic
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I would not do a Pokemon tournament mostly because it's Smogon.
However... Smogon's ignorance of some Pokemon can be exploited proper if I can actually put forth effort on my HeartGold game. Not just on Butterfree, but on 5 other Pokemon that are mistreated in terms of metagaming.
...?! This is much bigger than I anticipated.
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Its 4x weak to stealth rock, has poor typing in general, and its speed is mediocre. So yeah butterfree is really bad. The only way you could possibly use butterfree is with a choice scarf+sleep powder but thats a waste of a scarf. or you could baton pass to it, and in that case breloom is a much better choice.
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Generally, Butterfree is terrible. It has its niche as a Double Powder lead, though, since it has the potential to cripple a third of the opponent's team off the bat, thanks to the combination of Stun Spore / Sleep Powder and CompoundEyes.
Of course, since this is Butterfree's only selling point, any competent player will expect DP and switch to something that doesn't mind status / is immune to that powder (Hitmonlee and Primeape come to mind). And if Butterfree is slower than the opponent, it's dead weight for the rest of the match.
Overall, Butterfree is a gimmick in UU, and almost not worth using whatsoever in OU. It can catch you by surprise if you're not prepared for it, but quickly loses effectiveness, since it won't do anything at all past the first few turns in a battle.
As for the culprit's suggestions for movesets... El oh el. My best suggestion for a usable set would be the second set on Smogon:
Butterfree @ Focus Sash; Jolly nature
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Speed
- Stun Spore
- Sleep Powder
- U-turn
- Protect
This set should really only be used on an offensively-based team, as balanced and stall teams really won't benefit from the dead weight after the first several turns. The first two moves are self-explanatory; U-turn allows escape from situations where you cannot predict what the foe's lead will do, and Protect allows Butterfree to negate Ambipom's Fake Out. The non-maxed HP EVs keep Butterfree from dying after two switches into SR.
EDIT: Typo; meant to say Stun Spore.
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Butterfree doesn't get Spore, I'm pretty sure.
Since as far as I can tell all it has going for it is CompoundEyes, why not just use something like Breloom? It's superior in like every way.
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Posted by /B/utterfree (yeah thats really his name)
/B/utterfree
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yeah I would say that there is a high probability that he is trolling
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