My mother said she wanted the phone I use at the moment (LG KP500) and that the family is willing to help pay for a new phone when I head off to university.
I'm looking at these two at the moment, it basically boils down to which operating system, Android vs iPhone.
Android - HTC Desire
Manufacturer HTC Corporation Carrier Singtel, MobileOne, Starhub, Vodafone, T-Mobile, Orange, O2, 3, Virgin Mobile, Telstra, SK Telecom, Softbank, Telus, U.S. Cellular, Vip Mobile Screen 3.7-inch 480×800 (0.38 Megapixels) WVGA AMOLED or Super LCD capacitive touchscreen Camera 5 Megapixel autofocus with LED flash featuring Face detection capability and Geotagging Operating system
Android 2.2 "Froyo" Android 2.1 "Eclair" (shipped) Input Multi-touch with HTC Sense interface, 3-axis accelerometer, digital compass, proximity and ambient light sensors CPU Qualcomm QSD 8250 1 GHz (Snapdragon) with AMD Z430 GPU Memory 512 MB flash, 576 MB RAM Memory card up to 32 GB with microSDHC Connectivity Europe/Asia Pacific: HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz, 850/2100 MHz (Telstra Australia) 850/1900 (Telus Mobility Canada); GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz; Wi-Fi (802.11b/g); Bluetooth 2.1 with EDR; Micro USB Battery Li-ion 1400 mAh Physical size 119 (4.7) × 60 (2.36) × 11.9 (0.47) mm (inch) Weight 135 g (4.8 oz) Form factor Slate Candybar smartphone Other Proximity sensor, Accelerometer, FM Radio, Facebook, Twitter, MS Exchange, compass, GPS, A-GPS, Google turn-by-turn navigation, Flash 10.1 enabled[
I like the Android mostly for its Flash support, other than that, I don't see what else that makes it better than the iPhone.
iOS - Apple iPhone 4
Developer Apple Inc. Manufacturer Foxconn (OEM)[1] Slogan This changes everything. Again.[2] Form factor Slate smartphone Generation 4 Release date 24 June 2010[a] Units sold 2.5 million (as of 22 August 2010)[3] Operating system iOS 4.0.2 (Build 8A400) Released August 11, 2010; 26 days ago (2010-08-11) Power Built-in rechargeable Li-ion battery 3.7 V at 1420 mAh[4] CPU Apple A4 (ARM Cortex-A8)[5] GPU Apple A4 (PowerVR SGX 535)[5] Storage capacity 16 GB or 32 GB flash memory Memory 512 MB eDRAM[6] Display 3.5-inch (89mm) diagonal 1.5:1 aspect ratio widescreen LED backlit IPS TFT LCD Retina display 960-by-640-pixel resolution at 326 ppi (0.61 Megapixels) 800:1 contrast ratio (typical) 500 cd/m2 max brightness (typical) Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating on front and back glass Audio Single loudspeaker 3.5 mm TRRS Frequency response: 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz Input Multi-touch touchscreen display Push-buttons Dual microphone 3-axis gyroscope 3-axis accelerometer Digital compass Proximity sensor Ambient light sensor Rear camera 5 MP HD video (720p) at 30 fps 1.75 μm size pixels 5× digital zoom Tap to focus video or still images LED flash Photo and video geotagging Front camera 2 MP (VGA) SD video (480p) at 30 fps 25.17 μm size pixels Tap to focus video or still images Photo and video geotagging Connectivity Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850 900 1800 1900 MHz) Penta-band UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850 900 1900 2100 MHz) Wi-Fi (802.11b/g/n) (2.4 GHz only) Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR Online services App Store, iTunes Store, iBookstore, MobileMe Dimensions 115.2 mm (4.54 in) (h) 58.66 mm (2.309 in) (w) 9.3 mm (0.37 in) (d) Weight 137 g (4.8 oz) Predecessor iPhone 3GS Related articles iPad, iPod Touch (comparison) Website Apple – iPhone
Unlike the Android platform, the iPhone has tons more apps from what I've seen.
So which should I go for? and please don't go 'x because y sucks' or whatever. Please justify your responses.
iPhone will be old after 1 year and you will v to constantly replace it so dont. Either get android or palm and try to mod them yourself. Palm is better than android btw
On September 07 2010 19:05 NB wrote: iPhone will be old after 1 year and you will v to constantly replace it so dont. Either get android or palm and try to mod them yourself. Palm is better than android btw
lol does Palm even make phones anymore? lulz.
Get Android. Most of the Apps on iPhone are just crap that you don't want. Anything you would want is on both basically. I loooove my Android phone and would pick it over an iPhone any day. I would suggest one with a physical keyboard, makes it so you can type a TON faster.
Both phones have amazing technical specs. The problem is that with Apple devices you always have to use their shitty iTunes, you can't copy your files freely. iTunes is a real pain in the ass.
If I could drag and drop my music from my computer to my iPhone, I would get one.
It is true that the Apple store offers a lot more applications, but that's not a good argument. Android market offers 100k applications vs 300k for Apple store. I can assure you that with 100k applications, 99% of the actually useful applications you can get on the Apple store are available on Android, or have their equivalent.
For example, if you are looking for a MSN app, you will find 15 on Android market, 45 on Apple store, but you will use only one in the end. And out of 15, you will definitely find a good one that fits your requirements. So yeah, the total amount of applications is 3 times higher, but the Apple store only has more duplicates of applications with the same purpose.
edit : Poster below reminded me of the native flash support for Android. Seemed so natural for me lol.
I have the HTC Desire, and so far it has been a wonderful phone. Android market might not be as big as the App store from apple, but they do cover nearly every necessary app and its definitely catching up to the Iphone. The great thing with android is that you get to customize it however way you want with 7 screen to place your applications on, and the live wallpaper are really gorgeous. I didnt have any problems with my Desire so far and the 1 ghz snapdragon processor does its job correctly. In addition 2.2 Fryo has native browser flash support and a great way of handling stuff well. Obviously many apps like twiiter and FB apps dont look as polished as on the iphone but they are still damn good and getting constant support. The great thing about android is the amount of updates it gets yearly, they update the OS quite alot 2-3 times a year and add a ton of great features to their phones. Also the HTC Desire HD has sort of been announced, it has 8mp camera, 4gb internal memory, and SRS Sound which is great.
The Iphone 4 on the other hand, is pretty damn polished. There is something with Apples devices that make them great to have, and their customer support is pretty damn good. The Display on this one is so so good, best display I have seen on a mobile phone yet and the downs for me on the Iphone is lack of flash and sort of limited customization and tweaking around that you can do with the OS as a whole. Tho what you might also take into account is Itunes and how comfortable and easy to sync your stuff with the Iphone and have a all in one Phone and Ipod. The Desire has about the same sound quality if I remember correctly, but managing your shit on the Iphone using Itunes is a big big comfort.
It basically comes down to what do you feel comfortable with , which OS interface do you enjoy the most, and do you need flash for the browser ( I need it alot, thats why I got the Desire, Best phone I ever had).
Personally, I wouldn't get any of the phones. Touch screen, games, music, camera, web browsing and other various apps are things I don't use.
Just think what do you want to use this phone for and pick basing on that.
I just wish Nokia would release a new version of 3310, this was the best cell in history and with today's technology it would be nice and slim and the battery would last like a year. Calls and text messaging, all I really want my phone to do (although, using it as a storage device can be handy too).
I prefer my Motorola Droid over the iPhone because it has a physical keyboard and a better screen. It is great being able to answer emails quickly while I am on the train or bus for work and the big screen is awesome for watching BW vods and playing games occasionally.
Some people love apps and others don't... me personally I don't get the point of most of them but it comes down to personal choice.
There are decent SNES emulators for Android now also if you are into that. The keyboard/touch controls aren't really good enough to play SF2 or anything like that but I had fun playing through FF4 again and they were more than good enough for that.
I also love the integration Android has with google apps (gmail, contacts, calendar, docs etc). It's pretty good on iPhone too but I found it a lot smoother on Android.
Does the US have multi touch for Android yet or are there still legal issues? That could be another thing to consider. I couldn't live without being able to multi touch zoom websites etc.
Edit: Also not having to be a slave to iTunes and being able to just drag and drop my music/videos is a huge plus in my book, I hate iTunes more than anything because it is a bloated piece of trash. I completely forgot about that...
Edit 2: About a week ago Epic Megagames released a tech demo for iPhone/iPad. They ported the unreal engine 3 (the engine that gears of war ran on) to IOS which is pretty damn impressive in my eyes. So that is +1 for the iPhone just because it's so damn cool. Not quite enough for me to abandon my keyboard though
What a joke LOL. HTML5 video is slowly becoming ubiquitous, I hardly ever miss not having Flash. What were you going to use it for? YouTube and Vimeo are HTML5, Hulu has its own iPhone app, Flash games aren't better than what you can download for free on the App Store. What else is there?
Edit: apparently this video is not representative of Flash performance on Android, see Jibba's post later in this thread. Flash support on Android seems far from perfect but definitely good enough to watch your average internet video.
I'd look into the Samsung Galaxy S. It's basically the same as the Desire but the phone is ALOT prettier and apparently the graphics processor is alot better. Also the screen is amazing.
On September 07 2010 20:11 disco wrote: I'd look into the Samsung Galaxy S. It's basically the same as the Desire but the phone is ALOT prettier and apparently the graphics processor is alot better. Also the screen is amazing.
On September 07 2010 20:11 disco wrote: I'd look into the Samsung Galaxy S. It's basically the same as the Desire but the phone is ALOT prettier and apparently the graphics processor is alot better. Also the screen is amazing.
Okay, the Galaxy S is available on all 4 major US carrieres: Captivate (AT&T), Vibrant (T-Mobile), Edge 4g (Sprint, I think), and that other one (Verizon). They are all the same inside, but the carriers' software tweaks differ (Vibrant has warmer pictures than Captivate, for example) and the shells are different too. What's awesome is that the unlock codes are stored on the phone, so you can buy whichever one you want and unlock it and just use it on your network. I'll be ordering a Captivate soon as well :D
On September 07 2010 19:48 vek wrote: I prefer my Motorola Droid over the iPhone because it has a physical keyboard and a better screen. It is great being able to answer emails quickly while I am on the train or bus for work and the big screen is awesome for watching BW vods and playing games occasionally.
Some people love apps and others don't... me personally I don't get the point of most of them but it comes down to personal choice.
There are decent SNES emulators for Android now also if you are into that. The keyboard/touch controls aren't really good enough to play SF2 or anything like that but I had fun playing through FF4 again and they were more than good enough for that.
I also love the integration Android has with google apps (gmail, contacts, calendar, docs etc). It's pretty good on iPhone too but I found it a lot smoother on Android.
Does the US have multi touch for Android yet or are there still legal issues? That could be another thing to consider. I couldn't live without being able to multi touch zoom websites etc.
Edit: Also not having to be a slave to iTunes and being able to just drag and drop my music/videos is a huge plus in my book, I hate iTunes more than anything because it is a bloated piece of trash. I completely forgot about that...
Edit 2: About a week ago Epic Megagames released a tech demo for iPhone/iPad. They ported the unreal engine 3 (the engine that gears of war ran on) to IOS which is pretty damn impressive in my eyes. So that is +1 for the iPhone just because it's so damn cool. Not quite enough for me to abandon my keyboard though
What provider are you on? I'm only specifically looking at Telstra simply because they have the best coverage. It seems the best two available on there are either the iPhone or the Desire.
I could look at Optus with its Galaxy S.... but don't want to go there.
There's got to be something right about the iPhone. Everybody I know who has an iPhone defends it religiously and never puts it down. I think it boils down to, the Droids being more for professional use and iPhone is more social. Don't ask me specifics that's just the general idea I get when asking people who have used both.
Aha, you're Australia. I don't know. I'm a fan of Android just because I'm a FOSS kind of guy. But, like I said, you can get a Galaxy S and unlock it quite easily. But they are quite pricey if you don't get them with a contract (price over here is $600+ without contract).
If you have the money get the HTC EVO or the Galaxy S.
I've had the Desire for about 2 months and its great.
The iphone doesnt come close to the evo or the galaxy S and most people just argue that iphones have alot more apps. True, but most of them are useless and the ones you would actually need have been developed for the android os.
I've read alot of bad things about the iphone 4g when it came out. Dont ask me who many are true, but i woudnt get one. If you have specific questions about the desire, feel free to PM me.
On September 07 2010 19:48 vek wrote: I prefer my Motorola Droid over the iPhone because it has a physical keyboard and a better screen. It is great being able to answer emails quickly while I am on the train or bus for work and the big screen is awesome for watching BW vods and playing games occasionally.
Some people love apps and others don't... me personally I don't get the point of most of them but it comes down to personal choice.
There are decent SNES emulators for Android now also if you are into that. The keyboard/touch controls aren't really good enough to play SF2 or anything like that but I had fun playing through FF4 again and they were more than good enough for that.
I also love the integration Android has with google apps (gmail, contacts, calendar, docs etc). It's pretty good on iPhone too but I found it a lot smoother on Android.
Does the US have multi touch for Android yet or are there still legal issues? That could be another thing to consider. I couldn't live without being able to multi touch zoom websites etc.
Edit: Also not having to be a slave to iTunes and being able to just drag and drop my music/videos is a huge plus in my book, I hate iTunes more than anything because it is a bloated piece of trash. I completely forgot about that...
Edit 2: About a week ago Epic Megagames released a tech demo for iPhone/iPad. They ported the unreal engine 3 (the engine that gears of war ran on) to IOS which is pretty damn impressive in my eyes. So that is +1 for the iPhone just because it's so damn cool. Not quite enough for me to abandon my keyboard though
What provider are you on? I'm only specifically looking at Telstra simply because they have the best coverage. It seems the best two available on there are either the iPhone or the Desire.
I could look at Optus with its Galaxy S.... but don't want to go there.
After being with Virgin Mobile (Optus network) for 2 years I wouldn't touch anything but Telstra. Optus coverage is patchy at best. It's great when it works and gives faster internet speeds than my ADSL2 but awful and annoying as hell when it doesn't. Nothing worse than constantly dropping out of an important call...
Telstra may be slightly more expensive than other carriers but you get what you pay for, it really is miles ahead of Optus.
Just so you know, I am still currently with Optus on 24 month contract with 1 month to go. The coverage where I live (Sunbury) is awful and I get 2 bars out of 5 if I'm lucky, no reception at all most of the time. I can make do with Skype for calls while I am at home but it is still a pain in the ass getting messages days after they were sent.
From the same house my brothers Telstra SIM gets full reception. When I am in Melbourne for work etc Optus reception is fine.
Really looking forward to making the switch to Telstra
On September 07 2010 20:31 tofucake wrote: Aha, you're Australia. I don't know. I'm a fan of Android just because I'm a FOSS kind of guy. But, like I said, you can get a Galaxy S and unlock it quite easily. But they are quite pricey if you don't get them with a contract (price over here is $600+ without contract).
hm I got my samsung captivate for 100$ with the contract. pretty cheap deal :p I can't wait for flash, I want to be able to watch my kdrama on the go.
the only issues i have with it is: -lack of flash on camera -apps/android market is a bit worse than iphone, but its passable. -NO KOREAN KEYBOARD T.T
in terms of aesthetics however, this phone is the best. phone looks awesome and everything on the screen looks awesome. iphone is a bit too bulky for me.
I made use of an error on the Vodafone website to get my simlock-free SGS for 300 euro's instead of the 500-ish it was supposed to go for. Kind of an impulse buy as soon as I saw they made a booboo. Don't regret it though, absolutely best phone i've ever owned.
I have a Desire on Telstra. 3G coverage is pretty great. If you're in the city you shouldn't have any problems. *Sometimes* 3G randomly cuts out but a restart of the phone usually fixes it. I've got friends on Virgin and Vodafone and their 3G is usually always slower.
Some quick points about the Desire: -The ability to drag and drop most things onto the phone through Windows Explorer. -I find Google Maps better on Android than the iPhone's map app. It's also a serious lifesaver. -Telstra Desires don't have Froyo yet. You can hack the phone pretty easily and install 2.2. -On the multitouch issue; the Dolphin Browser has pinch-to-zoom (it's available from the market for free; I find it better than the default browser). -The app store selection is sufficient. I don't download games, though. I think the iPhone is probably better for those. -I find the Desire's display to be better indoors; it suffers more than the iPhone when you're outdoors and it's sunny. -The 5MP camera is nothing to write home about. -If you *do* get a Desire on Telstra, keep an eye on your data usage in the first month. Sometimes it inexplicably burns through your quota. I have no idea why. It happened to me and another person I know, but it's never happened since.
I'm using a motorola cliq right now and I love android. The app market isn't quit as close but it has about everything you need and I'm thinking about moving on to an HTC, my friend has one and I've played around with it a bit.
Not a fan of apple products but my suggestion is to go to the mall and go look at and test each phone. Generally phone salesman will take one out from the back and let you try it out if the displays aren't working properly or don't give you a good idea of what the phone is like.
I ordered an HTC Wildfire, should get it within the next two days. It's basically the little brother of the Desire, with a slower processor and worse screen, but same functionality otherwise. If you wanna save 200 bucks, you may want to consider the Wildfire.
Android has software keyboards like Swype & SlideIT, which makes typing text a lot less painful (IMO). I couldn't go back to a normal software keyboard
Just wondering what your really trying to do with the phone. Iphones: I have an iphone and i love it. You can unlock them and do tons and tons of really cool features with the backgrounds and you can get all the apps for free if you wish. you can also customize jsut about everything. They iphone is really reliable and AT&T has really good service just about everywhere. I like the features and for what i need it works great.
That is the HTC evo and i think that phone might be better then the iphone will all its features. Its basically the Iphone with better features, a bigger screen etc. The android operating system is supposed to be super fast with the processor as well.
Im not really sure about the drooid vs iphone i think it really comes down to what you need the phone for and what provider your on.
What a joke LOL. HTML5 video is slowly becoming ubiquitous, I hardly ever miss not having Flash. What were you going to use it for? YouTube and Vimeo are HTML5, Hulu has its own iPhone app, Flash games aren't better than what you can download for free on the App Store. What else is there?
Yeah, don't bother posting the updated videos that were on your link . And you've been saying that HTML5 line forever. Hulu and everyone else has put it on the back burner because you can't make money with HTML5. You're like the Fox News of mobile phones. :|
GTR, start with the carrier. That's the most important thing. The Google integration with my Droid is pretty fantastic. Calender/Google Voice/Maps/Directory/Shopper all work really well and are easy to access. The voice search is actually near 100% now.
Pretty much every productivity app is shared or recreated between iOS4 and Android. Slight differences are that Android has a better selection of browsers (Xscope is literally the best browser on any mobile platform) and things like Swype. You won't get the video calling that iPhone4 has though, unless you're getting an EVO.
iPhone is definitely ahead on games but most of them are paid for. Android Market is like 60% free apps, whereas Apple/Windows are 20-30%. Plus again, you've got flash^ at your disposal and I think some other developers like Gameloft have just started working on Android.
Whichever you choose, I'd recommend jailbreaking/rooting the phone.
I own a Nintendo DS game console. I had some fun with it, but eventually stopped using it altogether; not enough games I liked on the platform, and they're pretty expensive.
As a gaming platform, the iPhone has exceeded my expectations enormously. When I'm sitting in front of my computer, wondering what to do, I often just take out my iPhone and keep on playing Crimson Gem Saga or Hills and Rivers Remain.
There's also other things to love about your iPhone. I never ever get lost when driving anymore; I may be going someplace I've never even heard of before, but the Maps app (one of the built-in applications) is just so damn good as a navigation assistant I don't need anything else; the phone is a very capable internet browsing platform, as well.
I'm not gonna say the iPhone is better than Android phones, because I don't know the latter very well. But I will say I'm inseparable with my iPhone.
iTunes is stupid shit, seriously. I'd really just rather use my Cowon D2. It sucks to take around two devices at the same time but I just don't feel like going through iTunes at all.
However, the phone itself is awesome and I haven't even jailbroken it yet. Pros: - So many apps jeez. I have essentially a mobile computer, but on a phone. And a lot of good ones are free on app store too. The only things I've had to purchase as of yet are Flight Control and Doodle Jump, lol - Screen is ver. nice. I could easily be happy watching movies and TV shows from this thing. - Camera and video capture are both pretty solid for a phone imo. I can't really compare cause I upgraded from like a 7 year old piece of shit cellphone to this but I'm certainly happy with the resolution. I think there are some color/brightness quirks but maybe it's a personal thing. - Battery life is good enough. I think I recharge every day or every other day, depending on whether I'm running a lot of apps in the background or not. - Sound quality is acceptable enough through the built in speakers for video (and music I guess for most). I don't always like wearing headphones. Not like I use the iphone for music mostly anyway, but still.
Cons: - Glass isn't super sturdy. I took my phone to rock climbing one day and I think someone stepped on it: in any case when I got it out once I went back I found cracks on the bottom of the home button thingy and a few chips here and there. My fault for not getting a case sooner but still. - The accelerometer bothers me sometimes for screen orientation. Yes I realize you can lock it but it's a pain to lock and unlock when you're switching between apps. - Seems like when I'm calling people sometimes, my face presses up against the screen and I accidentally hit some stuff. Doesn't happen too often but I'd like not to accidentally end or mute calls every once in a while. (I haven't had any antenna problems yet btw, maybe I just hold the phone weird naturally) - No Flash derp (although jailbreak can enable flash right? that'll come later for me I guess)
Definitely consider the iPhone 4 though. It didn't disappoint me.
i'm actually looking for a new phone too. It's between the blackberry torch,iphone4, some android phone. But I haven't really picked out which android...there's just so many!
On September 07 2010 21:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: iPhone4+Jailbreak+FRASH=Android
This.
I really can't speak for the Android at all (I've only heard some tertiary stuff about it), but the iPhone4, especially if you jailbreak it, has so many different potential uses.
Here are some:
- Free BNet authenticator (secure your account without having to pay money for a separate physical device) - Various quick mobile services for banks and popular websites (take a picture of a check to deposit it on USAA) - Very, VERY addicting games for many times just $1 (good to kill time for a few hours) - Overall a good multitool for navigation and planning (the maps feature unparalleled. Checking for live traffic feeds has saved me so much time) - There really is 'an app for everything' (Facebook, Twitter, NYTimes, etc) - A plethora of nerdy applications to satiate your tech desires if you jailbreak it. These include useful applications for SSHing, war driving, tethering, downloading YouTube videos directly to your phone, man-in-the-middle attacks on open networks (keke), directionally finding yourself to a router (including hidden ones), reading network parameters on the cell phone tower you're connected to and the surrounding ones (do a manual network survey!), flash, ROMs/emulators for SNES/NES games, and a ton more.
The iPhone, though maybe not as technically astounding as other phones, has the userbase and community to support it and make it far more useful than the other phones, in my opinion
edit: bolded the jailbreak section. This is what really makes the iPhone worth it all, IMO
needing to void the warranty to do what you want on the iphone vs not having to void the warranty to do what I want for the android phone, its pretty easy for me.
also - Free BNet authenticator (secure your account without having to pay money for a separate physical device) - Various quick mobile services for banks and popular websites (take a picture of a check to deposit it on USAA) - Very, VERY addicting games for many times just $1 (good to kill time for a few hours) - Overall a good multitool for navigation and planning (the maps feature unparalleled. Checking for live traffic feeds has saved me so much time) - There really is 'an app for everything' (Facebook, Twitter, NYTimes, etc) - A plethora of nerdy applications to satiate your tech desires and you dont have to jailbreak it. These include useful applications for SSHing, war driving, tethering, downloading YouTube videos directly to your phone, man-in-the-middle attacks on open networks (keke), directionally finding yourself to a router (including hidden ones), reading network parameters on the cell phone tower you're connected to and the surrounding ones (do a manual network survey!), flash, ROMs/emulators for SNES/NES games, and a ton more.
The AT&T version of the Galaxy S is pretty amazing, I got it recently. Essentially the same phone, but it (called the Samsung Captivate on AT&T) looks 100x better in my opinion. Great phone.
EDIT: Also, what I think the biggest advantage of Android is: home-screen widgets. Personally, I hate the pages and pages of icons that you get on iphones. Also, the customization is worth it, no matter what people say. Being able to change your phone app, change the sms app, change the entire functionality of the home screen, add a million widgets, change all the layout, etc. is really useful.
And another interesting about the Galaxy S (at least the Captivate), is that it comes with a built in 16GB SD card AND has an external SD slot. So you can get 48 GB of memory pretty easily.
On September 08 2010 01:03 NukeTheBunnys wrote: needing to void the warranty to do what you want on the iphone vs not having to void the warranty to do what I want for the android phone, its pretty easy for me.
also - Free BNet authenticator (secure your account without having to pay money for a separate physical device) - Various quick mobile services for banks and popular websites (take a picture of a check to deposit it on USAA) - Very, VERY addicting games for many times just $1 (good to kill time for a few hours) - Overall a good multitool for navigation and planning (the maps feature unparalleled. Checking for live traffic feeds has saved me so much time) - There really is 'an app for everything' (Facebook, Twitter, NYTimes, etc) - A plethora of nerdy applications to satiate your tech desires and you dont have to jailbreak it. These include useful applications for SSHing, war driving, tethering, downloading YouTube videos directly to your phone, man-in-the-middle attacks on open networks (keke), directionally finding yourself to a router (including hidden ones), reading network parameters on the cell phone tower you're connected to and the surrounding ones (do a manual network survey!), flash, ROMs/emulators for SNES/NES games, and a ton more.
It's not illegal any more to Jailbreak.
And, just doing a restore on iTunes, would.."wipe off" any "jailbreak" trace.
On September 08 2010 01:03 NukeTheBunnys wrote: needing to void the warranty to do what you want on the iphone vs not having to void the warranty to do what I want for the android phone, its pretty easy for me.
also - Free BNet authenticator (secure your account without having to pay money for a separate physical device) - Various quick mobile services for banks and popular websites (take a picture of a check to deposit it on USAA) - Very, VERY addicting games for many times just $1 (good to kill time for a few hours) - Overall a good multitool for navigation and planning (the maps feature unparalleled. Checking for live traffic feeds has saved me so much time) - There really is 'an app for everything' (Facebook, Twitter, NYTimes, etc) - A plethora of nerdy applications to satiate your tech desires and you dont have to jailbreak it. These include useful applications for SSHing, war driving, tethering, downloading YouTube videos directly to your phone, man-in-the-middle attacks on open networks (keke), directionally finding yourself to a router (including hidden ones), reading network parameters on the cell phone tower you're connected to and the surrounding ones (do a manual network survey!), flash, ROMs/emulators for SNES/NES games, and a ton more.
It's not illegal any more to Jailbreak.
And, just doing a restore on iTunes, would.."wipe off" any "jailbreak" trace.
Sup? Void Warranty who?
You have to do extra steps to get the same output, and I am lazy. Really what it comes down to more then anything is:
#1 Are you part of the cult of Jobs #2 Are you on ATT and want to keep it
if you answered no to both of these, get an android phone. Otherwise the differences are mostly not important. There are very few apps that don't have their functionality mirrored on the competitors phone, yes they exist, but most of the difference between the android app market and the iPhone app market is the iPhone has 200 fart apps where as the android only has 50. The functionality of the phones is about the same, there aren't any features that one has that the other doesn't(other then being an open development platform) that push me either way.
Im mostly saying that the phones and apps are similar enough that the deciding factor is the carrier, if you dont want ATT because of bad coverage in your area(also known as the US) get a android phone on a different carrier
On September 08 2010 01:03 NukeTheBunnys wrote: needing to void the warranty to do what you want on the iphone vs not having to void the warranty to do what I want for the android phone, its pretty easy for me.
also - Free BNet authenticator (secure your account without having to pay money for a separate physical device) - Various quick mobile services for banks and popular websites (take a picture of a check to deposit it on USAA) - Very, VERY addicting games for many times just $1 (good to kill time for a few hours) - Overall a good multitool for navigation and planning (the maps feature unparalleled. Checking for live traffic feeds has saved me so much time) - There really is 'an app for everything' (Facebook, Twitter, NYTimes, etc) - A plethora of nerdy applications to satiate your tech desires and you dont have to jailbreak it. These include useful applications for SSHing, war driving, tethering, downloading YouTube videos directly to your phone, man-in-the-middle attacks on open networks (keke), directionally finding yourself to a router (including hidden ones), reading network parameters on the cell phone tower you're connected to and the surrounding ones (do a manual network survey!), flash, ROMs/emulators for SNES/NES games, and a ton more.
It's not illegal any more to Jailbreak.
And, just doing a restore on iTunes, would.."wipe off" any "jailbreak" trace.
Sup? Void Warranty who?
I'm pretty sure it's still a void warranty, despite it not being illegal anymore. Could be wrong though.
Anyways, after reading mroe about the Samsung Galaxy S I gotta agree, get it instead of those two. Apparently it even has a better monitor than the iphone 4. I was so tempted to sell my soul and buy an iphone but I really like the Galaxy so I'm gonna get that soon
Unless you are really into phones, the biggest benefit of the Android platform is the frequent updates, fantastic eco-system (Not as good as apple though but istore is stagnating while android is improving fast.) and complete integration into exchange server, gmail and other google tools.
Oh, just a quick note, there are definitely more accessories available for iphone as well, it would be extremely easy for you get a case for it while you might have to hunt down a good case for desire.
I really personally like HTC and android I think the HTC phones running android and are exposed to the apps from the android market is the better way to go. the iPhone I just feel is kinda meh and everyone goes for one when they think smartphone
both phones are pretty awesome. i went thru the same process recently. i got a desire because, well, the desire will probably be exponentially cheaper than the iphone and provide you with the same, if not better (hello live wallpapers), functionality.
I have an android device (galaxy s vibrant) and would swear by it vs iphone for the following reasons: 1. Notification Window: incoming text, email, background downloads, etc. are all visible from a little window you pull down from the top of the screen. This is VASTLY superior to the iphone method of "pop up a dialog whenever you receive a message" that is soooo windows 98. You can leave your email notifications for later if you are in the middle of something... 2. Swype: the touch keyboard that kicks ass... Not currently shipping on the desire but you can hope 3. Home Screen: I have shortcuts to quickly open navigation back home, widgets to preview current tasks, and that bad ass live wallpaper for ultimate showmanship 4. Google Sync: it's been said before, but Google calendar, contacts, and email sync beautifully. I can share my wifes calendar and view it on my device when she makes changes, and my gmail pushes down to me as fast as when I had my blackberry 5. Integration: Android is very customizable, and allows apps to do more than just provide closed experiences in the sandbox apple gives them on the iphone. This means a new app can add an option for the "share" dialog when you take a photo, or completely replace the dialer. Or, if you are in to scripting to completely automate stuff you do all the time, there is a killer app called tasker that takes advantage of all the ways you can plug into the OS: want teamliquid to launch every time you pick up your phone from the face down position when you are at the office? Done. 6. Flash, linux, etc... The standard arguments you normally hear. Keep in mind you need froyo for flash which is in the process of rolling out (not sure if it has hit the desire)
On September 08 2010 20:57 NevilleS wrote: 5. Integration: Android is very customizable, and allows apps to do more than just provide closed experiences in the sandbox apple gives them on the iphone. This means a new app can add an option for the "share" dialog when you take a photo, or completely replace the dialer. Or, if you are in to scripting to completely automate stuff you do all the time, there is a killer app called tasker that takes advantage of all the ways you can plug into the OS: want teamliquid to launch every time you pick up your phone from the face down position when you are at the office? Done.
Speaking of the dialer, do you know a good replacement that allows you to customise the number format? I tried to find one a while ago but gave up looking because it wasn't that big of a deal. It would be nice to have though.
On September 08 2010 18:28 GTR wrote: not considering the sgs since its exclusive to another service which i don't want to go to.
What service do you want? There's are Samsung Galaxy S's for AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile at least that I know of. They go under some different names (Captivate, Fascinate, Vibrant, Epic, etc), but almost all major carriers have/are getting it soon. And it's an amazing phone.
On September 08 2010 18:28 GTR wrote: not considering the sgs since its exclusive to another service which i don't want to go to.
What service do you want? There's are Samsung Galaxy S's for AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile at least that I know of. They go under some different names (Captivate, Fascinate, Vibrant, Epic, etc), but almost all major carriers have/are getting it soon. And it's an amazing phone.
GTR is from Australia afaik, only Optus (I think?) has the SGS available on a plan/contract at the moment and they don't have a great network. The only other option is buying it outright which can be pretty expensive.
On September 08 2010 18:28 GTR wrote: not considering the sgs since its exclusive to another service which i don't want to go to.
What service do you want? There's are Samsung Galaxy S's for AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile at least that I know of. They go under some different names (Captivate, Fascinate, Vibrant, Epic, etc), but almost all major carriers have/are getting it soon. And it's an amazing phone.
GTR is from Australia afaik, only Optus (I think?) has the SGS available on a plan/contract at the moment and they don't have a great network. The only other option is buying it outright which can be pretty expensive.
Android platform has plenty of apps, and most of the good ones from the iPhone are brought over or going to be brought over for the Android. I personally see nothing wrong with either phone. I would pick the Android, but that's just because I have one already, and from what I've seen from my Dad's iPhone, I like the droid more.
Umm, may I ask why you have to choose the htc desire? I'm just wondering, but I truly think you should go for a better android phone--get a droid x for its screen (I find the larger screen a HUGE plus).
Unless your family must stick with ATT, I suggest you switch to verizon and get the droid x. I'm not a cell phone or electronics guru, but I find the droid x better. (this is typed from school on my droid x, so I'm sorry for not reading through the whole thread ;X)
Unfair poll, considering the heavy anti-Apple bias in the TL community.
NukeTheBunny and NevilleS's posts reflects pretty well the mindset that will make you enjoy an Android better than an iPhone.
If however, you are more concerned with a highly polished UI, a mature App marketplace, a user experience that focuses more on the task rather than how to do it, best display (IPS with highest DPI), and top notch customer support (including not having to wait for your specific model to get the latest OS), iPhone is a good choice.
Yes, there is more to liking an iPhone than "cult of Jobs".
So in summary:
* Android if you want a portable *tech toy* to tinker with. * iPhone if you want a portable computing *appliance*.
At the end, go and try them out, play with them. That's the best way to figure out which you'll like better.
Galaxy s series is now available on every major US carrier, and because of the hummingbird processor that samsung made themselves, they are the fastest smartphones in the world right now.
It's not the product's quality that makes one phone better than the other. It's more than that. It's about the community surrounding the product. And since both phones have similar specs, I don't see why you would go for one that has a significantly fewer community than the iphone. Analogously speaking, it's like comparing a mac to windows (how ironic lol).
But as you may already know, there are a lot of indications of anti-iphone bias in this thread. Also, statistically speaking, when there are so many customers having one product, it's likely that product will show more errors than, say, a product with only a fraction of the community. You know where I'm getting at. :D
On September 09 2010 04:01 kodancer wrote: It's not the product's quality that makes one phone better than the other. It's more than that. It's about the community surrounding the product. And since both phones have similar specs, I don't see why you would go for one that has a significantly fewer community than the iphone. Analogously speaking, it's like comparing a mac to windows (how ironic lol).
But as you may already know, there are a lot of indications of anti-iphone bias in this thread. Also, statistically speaking, when there are so many customers having one product, it's likely that product will show more errors than, say, a product with only a fraction of the community. You know where I'm getting at. :D
That's like comparing the BW community to the WoW community. WoW community is therefore better?
Funny you say that, considering the iPhone is the phone with the highest consumer satisfaction rates, and even with "antennagate" (which was blown out of proportions) iPhone 4 is the top ranked smartphone in Consumer Reports (regardless if CS recuses to "recommend" the phone).
At the end iOS is the more polished mobile mobile OS. Even the most anti-Apple coworker admits it, and will keep his iPhone for a while.
Unfair poll, considering the heavy anti-Apple bias in the TL community.
NukeTheBunny and NevilleS's posts reflects pretty well the mindset that will make you enjoy an Android better than an iPhone.
If however, you are more concerned with a highly polished UI, a mature App marketplace, a user experience that focuses more on the task rather than how to do it, best display (IPS with highest DPI), and top notch customer support (including not having to wait for your specific model to get the latest OS), iPhone is a good choice.
Yes, there is more to liking an iPhone than "cult of Jobs".
So in summary:
* Android if you want a portable *tech toy* to tinker with. * iPhone if you want a portable computing *appliance*.
At the end, go and try them out, play with them. That's the best way to figure out which you'll like better.
I tinker with the iPhone/iPad quite a bit at work and they are incredibly polished devices. I'd say that, so far, my SGS is very fluid and I'm very pleased, but overall I don't trust Samsung (who hacked Android up to give it an iOS look) to ensure every last detail is in perfect order like Apple tends to do.
If you use iTunes, and just want to plug the thing into your computer at night to sync your music, photos, videos, contacts, apps, calendar, and email to a single account, and prefer having dedicated applications for each particular type of data you work with, the iPhone's polished experience is unparalleled. Other than the silly notification setup on the device, everything else is pure polish, which is pretty impressive for such a large ecosystem. I'm frightened to ever try to contact Bell to get support for this device (I'm more inclined to Google my tech problems and search forums than go into a retail location), so if you like to get help using your devices, he's right about the Apple support staff there, too.
There may be some killer app that seals the deal, too. I downloaded the Ustream viewer the other night to try and watch Day9's show, but it doesn't work on my SGS properly. I'll bet it works fine on iPhone... Not a deal breaker for me. I'd rather be able to download the MSL finals from nevake's youtube channel and watch it on my large, AMOLED display (Apple continues to ban apps like this from their store, I guess they don't want people downloading content from anything but iTunes?)
On September 09 2010 04:01 kodancer wrote: It's not the product's quality that makes one phone better than the other. It's more than that. It's about the community surrounding the product. And since both phones have similar specs, I don't see why you would go for one that has a significantly fewer community than the iphone. Analogously speaking, it's like comparing a mac to windows (how ironic lol).
But as you may already know, there are a lot of indications of anti-iphone bias in this thread. Also, statistically speaking, when there are so many customers having one product, it's likely that product will show more errors than, say, a product with only a fraction of the community. You know where I'm getting at. :D
That's like comparing the BW community to the WoW community. WoW community is therefore better?
No, but it doesn't justify SC players being snobs towards WoW players.
Besides, developer community is not the same as user community. You are deluding yourself if you think there are not talented developers on either platform.
I think it comes down to which carrier you have for now, at least while AT&T has exclusive rights to the iphone
I have AT&T and for me.. the service is pretty crappy and doesn't work at all at my cabin up north (Michigan) where my dad's phone will work pretty well on Verizon.
I guess itunes also comes into play if you use it for your music and stuff.
I've said it before, the Galaxy S is a phenomenal phone. The real dealbreaker for me between iphone vs android is android has widgets, in terms of applications most useful ones will have duplicates.
haha debated this exact same choice 3 weeks ago i got the Desire
get android if you think you can make your phone more enjoyable than what Steve Jobs had in mind get the iPhone if you think Steve Jobs has a good sense of what people want in a phone
basically androids are a lot more customizable, have a lot of undiscovered potential, but still has lots of room for development iOS and iphones in general have pretty much matured and are limited by the hardware of the iPhone and by network technology
i picked the android cuz i believe that'll overtake the iphone in the next year or two
oh yeah if you like playing oldschool GBA games on your phone, you'll love the android
On September 09 2010 19:03 blue_arrow wrote: iOS and iphones in general have pretty much matured and are limited by the hardware of the iPhone and by network technology
Wait, what?
Apple just released a new version if the hardware that uses a custom-made chipset. Smartphones nowadays pretty much use the same CPU architecture.
AT&T being shitty just means that the iPhone's phone service is gimped in the US; nowhere else.
Not that I have anything against iPhone ... actually maybe beside the fact that it's so freaking popular these days ... everyone and their grandmother got an iPhone ...
I'm using a HTC Legend, and totally in love with it. Android is sexy and pretty smooth, though there aren't that many apps or games yet (but enough for most of your needs).
On September 07 2010 18:53 GTR wrote: Unlike the Android platform, the iPhone has tons more apps from what I've seen.
um, is that still right? I've read that there are now more phones with Android system in america than iPhones, that means there should be more apps in future for droid. Thing is, nor WM nor Symbian nor any other OS was good enough to compete with iOS. However, with all of these platforms dying (well, there is W7 coming, but who knows how good/bad will it be) even more companies are choosing Android for their phones and I believe this OS will be the no. 1 in near future.
I have Galaxy S and am really satisfied, in my opinion it's the best android phone on market right now.
These stats also do not count iPhone Touch nor iPads, which are selling quite well.
As a market, the App Store is still healthier. The installed base of iOS devices is ahead, and iPhone users are more willing to dish money for applications.
I don't doubt that Android will eventually surpass iOS in installed base, but IMO it will take more than that to make the Android ecosystem healthier or more profitable to developers.
I've also got an HTC legend, and I absolutely adore it. I do think that the Galaxy S is probably the best and most balanced Android device out though, so if you can get it I would go for it over the Desire.
I've been messing around with my phone for quite some time, but since I was content with the Sense UI that comes with the phone I never really spent too much time customizing it (other than shuffling widgets around and what not). Last night I decided to delve a bit deeper into it, and it is absolutely amazing how much you can customize your UI. I don't know how to screenshot my own UI, but here are a few examples from XDA-Developers.
Obviously setting up most of these UI's will take some time, but it's not particularly difficult. Still, I think it's pretty awesome how much you can personalise the UI.
Regarding the quantity of apps, by and large you won't notice it. 99% of the useful apps are available on both platforms. Android might even be ahead in useful apps simply because Apple blocked quite a few very useful apps. This included things like customization apps, alternate keyboards (such as Swype, which is awesome), and things like Google Voice. Where you will feel the difference in applications is with games, where Android is definitely still lagging behind. It doesn't bother me too much, because I mostly play game emulators (everything from Atari up to PS1 is available right now), which you can't on the iPhone, but with games made specifically for the platform, Android is still behind. They are slowly catching up though.
If however, you are more concerned with a highly polished UI, a mature App marketplace, a user experience that focuses more on the task rather than how to do it, best display (IPS with highest DPI), and top notch customer support (including not having to wait for your specific model to get the latest OS), iPhone is a good choice.
I disagree with most of this to some extent. The marketplace I've already touched on, so I won't go into it again. OS wise there are differences, but I tend to think that iPhone users exaggerate them. It's like the Mac vs Windows debate, you're constantly being told how much more user-friendly and polished a Mac is, but as a Windows user you really don't feel like you're missing out. I don't know about the other UI's, but HTC's Sense can definitely just be picked up and used.
With regards to waiting for updates, it's true that you usually have to wait a bit to get the android update (I'm currenty waiting for Froyo to be made available on the Legend), but the updates come out quite regularly and they are always significant so it's not a big deal. Also, all the Google services get updated separately (and very frequently), which is different from iOS as far as I know. I would guess that the average android (especially with a top-end model like the Desire or Galaxy S) gets updates at least as frequently as the average iPhone user.
All that said, the iPhone is definitely still leading in terms of hardware. The iPhone4 has a stunning screen, and it runs incredibly smoothly. The camera is also amazing (I occasionally wish my Legend had an iP4 camera), but I read somewhere that the Galaxy S actually has a better camera. Either way, I think iPhone just about leads with hardware.
I think the phone options you have to choose from are so similar in terms of quality, that it simply depends on which philosophy you prefer. You'll love whichever phone you get.
On September 07 2010 19:05 NB wrote: iPhone will be old after 1 year and you will v to constantly replace it so dont. Either get android or palm and try to mod them yourself. Palm is better than android btw
Same with any phone you get from anybody.
I would definately get the iPhone if you plan on getting apps just because the selection there is so much bigger, and a lot of good app makers only make them for the iPhone.
But then again, the Android OS does have a lot of good apps too, so I don't really know.
The only thing I know for sure is that any phone you buy, there will be a better one in 1 year for sure.
I'm not a big fan of apple but I have an iPhone and I have to admit that its great. The app market is amazing even if you don't jailbreak it, and if you do it can pretty much do anything the android can do except its more polished.
On September 10 2010 08:11 Daigomi wrote:All that said, the iPhone is definitely still leading in terms of hardware. The iPhone4 has a stunning screen, and it runs incredibly smoothly. The camera is also amazing (I occasionally wish my Legend had an iP4 camera), but I read somewhere that the Galaxy S actually has a better camera. Either way, I think iPhone just about leads with hardware.
I actually think the Galaxy S has a better or at least comparable screen to the iPhone. If you've ever seen a Galaxy S screen, it's phenomenal. I think less pixels than the iPhone, but bigger and with much better color.
It depends what you want. iPhone's screen is definitely tighter, although I'm not sure how obvious it is on normal viewing. The formfactor on both phones bugs me. :/ iPhone is kind of annoying to hold, but the Galaxy is way too large for my tastes.
I have the HTC desire on telstra, absolutley the top of the market phone available in aus atm. There is a free app for almost everything you need, my fav prob being the mobile ventrilo app. Telstra 3g network speed is super fast, barely ever drops out.
If anyone still looks at this, I am debating between the iPhone 4 and the Samsung Captivate. They will both cost me the same price so that isn't really an issue. Anyone here have a captivate?
On September 13 2010 07:14 Metal[x] wrote: If anyone still looks at this, I am debating between the iPhone 4 and the Samsung Captivate. They will both cost me the same price so that isn't really an issue. Anyone here have a captivate?
Yes, it's amazing, I highly recommend it. No complaints whatsoever so far. And it's getting froyo sometime this month, which will only make it better,\.
I don't want to create a thread for such a minor question, but I just got a Galaxy-S; what's a good site to learn about smartphones in general, the Galaxy, and app downloads/information?
Dude, flash support is everything, seriously. Apps will be cool for one month, maybe two at most, but games and stuff will get boring quickly on the iPhone. Pretty soon you'll realize the most useful feature of any phone is just to go on the internet... and it's really annoying getting that "no flash plugin" thing.
I'm not annoyed by the no Flash thing at all. I've had my iPhone for 2 years and I love the thing. My friend got an Android Nexus One and says if he could go back he'd buy the iPhone because app support sucks and Flash is just not that important.
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