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...and by Starcraft I mean Starcraft as a WHOLE. I mean SC:BW and SC2 together. They don't need to be enemies, and I think a lot of people need to realize that.
I was excited as anyone when Blizzard announced that SC2 was in the works, but over the course of the beta, I some things started to worry me. Namely, posts such as these. Already mentally dedicated to switching over to SC2, the thought that MY game might not live up to it's predecessor was frightening. After a while though, I took a step back and thought about it. Lets take a look at a few of the possible outcomes of the BW vs SC2 "clash".
- Everyone switches to SC2. BW dies.
- No one switches to SC2. SC2 dies.
- A good chunk of people switch to SC2. A good chunk stay in BW. Both games do fine.
Now, which option sounds the most likely? Which one sounds the most desirable? If you answered #3 to either or both of these, then I agree. If you think about it, it's really not plausible for either of these games to be left so far behind to be deemed "dead".
SC2 will sell well. There's no way it can't. Even if it was a horrible multiplayer game, tons of people would buy it to at least play the campaign, make some kick-ass UMS maps, and maybe even give the ladder a chance. Regardless of how good it is, some might not like. A lot will. SC2 will do just fine.
Likewise, BW isn't going anywhere. If it's good enough to have the vibrant competitive scene that it does 12 years after release, it definitely has the potential to stick around for another decade. Even if SC2 turns out to be the cat's pajamas, there will be plenty of stubborn veterans who will never lay a finger on SC2 and vow to play BW until their dying breath. BW will continue to do just fine.
So I guess the TL;DR of it, and what I'm trying to say is this: SC2 doesn’t have to kill SC1 in order be successful. SC1 doesn’t have to deny success to SC2 in order stay alive. Both of them are great games and both of them are a lot of fun. So for god's sake, stop comparing them, and start playing them!
 
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There's no fighting in here... this is the blog section!
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Sounds like the title of a book.
I expect a book in the near future, with a dedication to TL.net in the beginning 
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On July 16 2010 07:26 Lexpar wrote:
5/5
+1
Best thread ever
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On July 16 2010 07:36 synapse wrote:Sounds like the title of a book. I expect a book in the near future, with a dedication to TL.net in the beginning
it's a play on the title of "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove
seems like just a play on the title, not really a parallel.
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Now I am full of anticipation. Don't let me down Cofo.
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Thank you for your patience. We are happy to inform you that intended blog post has, in fact, arrived. Sorry it's not a full book. I'm working on that though, it will hopefully be published by the end of the year.
For anyone who came late and missed out on making fun of me, here is the original OP:
Posted accidentally... coming soon 
(It was probably more entertaining back then too!)
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Actually Cofo, I was hoping for a 'life story' blog. I'm not into making predictions like this. Sorry.
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man, I was expecting a dr.strangelove parody 
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On July 16 2010 07:18 Cofo wrote:...and by Starcraft I mean Starcraft as a WHOLE. I mean SC:BW and SC2 together. They don't need to be enemies, and I think a lot of people need to realize that. I was excited as anyone when Blizzard announced that SC2 was in the works, but over the course of the beta, I some things started to worry me. Namely, posts such as these. Already mentally dedicated to switching over to SC2, the thought that MY game might not live up to it's predecessor was frightening. After a while though, I took a step back and thought about it. Lets take a look at the possible outcomes of the BW vs SC2 "clash". - Everyone switches to SC2. BW dies. - No one switches to SC2. SC2 dies. - A good chunk of people switch to SC2. A good chunk stay in BW. Both games do fine. Now, which option sounds the most likely? Which one sounds the most desirable? If you answered #3 to either or both of these, then I agree. If you think about it, it's really not plausible for either of these games to be left so far behind to be deemed "dead". SC2 will sell well. There's no way it can't. Even if it was a horrible multiplayer game, tons of people would buy it to at least play the campaign, make some kick-ass UMS maps, and maybe even give the ladder a chance. Regardless of how good it is, some might not like. A lot will. SC2 will do just fine. Likewise, BW isn't going anywhere. If it's good enough to have the vibrant competitive scene that it does 12 years after release, it definitely has the potential to stick around for another decade. Even if SC2 turns out to be the cat's pajamas, there will be plenty of stubborn veterans who will never lay a finger on SC2 and vow to play BW until their dying breath. BW will continue to do just fine. So I guess the TL;DR of it, and what I'm trying to say is this: SC2 doesn’t have to kill SC1 in order be successful. SC1 doesn’t have to deny success to SC2 in order stay alive. Both of them are great games and both of them are a lot of fun. So for god's sake, stop comparing them, and start playing them!
I think you missed category growth in your possible scenarios. There will be a lot of new people joining SC2, so in theory, even if no one of the old people switched to SC2, there could still be a large population playing SC2. 
Additionally, a lot of the predictions about SC2 have been incorrect so far, e.g. Artosis predicting who would own at SC2, so I think there is no need to worry for the next couple of weeks.
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On July 16 2010 07:58 Badjas wrote:
Actually Cofo, I was hoping for a 'life story' blog. I'm not into making predictions like this. Sorry.
Oh don't worry, I'll get right on that. I'm gonna need a little longer to write that one though
On July 16 2010 07:58 EpiK wrote:man, I was expecting a dr.strangelove parody
I've actually never even read/seen it. I just thought a play on the title was appropriate. Sorry to disappoint!
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On July 16 2010 08:05 Schnake wrote:I think you missed category growth in your possible scenarios. There will be a lot of new people joining SC2, so in theory, even if no one of the old people switched to SC2, there could still be a large population playing SC2.
Good point. The revised OP reads "a FEW of the possible outcomes"
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I posted this in the starcraft 2 too easy thread.
The fact of the matter is, the game's development, and the utilization by players currently is too young at the moment to make any assertions. Have we seen custom maps that give more ability to players to go double fast expand builds viably yet? No.
Have we seen any player REALLY play at the level that SCBW Korean pros play? NONONO.
They are playing SMART at the moment, and they have good macro. Do they consantly harass with drops all freagin game? Do they constantly move back and move back in damaged units? Are zerg players using queens to heal their units during fights in the middle of the map while also moving the units, while harassing a mineral line with a drop, while macroing up units, while managing another fight? NO.
This is not on the level of SCBW not because of how simple it is to play, but because the game is young. People have to still get adjusted to what safe timings and opportunity windows are out there for things to do. There are plenty of high end pro games currently where both players pretty much just both sit there, occasionally attack, have one big battle, and one loses. That's not how a top Korean pro from the Broodwar scene would play this game, I guarantee you, and they will find a work to make high aggression, high skill cap style play dominant. Stop jumping the gun and crying Fire Fire!
And I think people don't realize that if Broodwar allowed you to select infinite units and have better pathing, the game would still require (at high level play) you to have seperate group hotkeys for various reasons. The different group hotkeys isn't because you have to have your hydras in 3 seperate groups due to game restrictions, it also gives you more dynamic control of the units. How come people don't see this?
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I thought this was going to be a thread about how I can learn to stop getting overly stressed about playing Sc2. I love it, but every game I play I'm terrified I'm going to lose, so I can only play a few games in a row before switching over to WoW or something.
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Thanks a lot, Cofo. Considering all the rage and anger that appears on the forums, I often feel like I am the only person in the world who loves StarCraft as a whole. Glad to see that isn't the case.
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If an Arizonian SC:BW fan saw this, he would have shot you.
but i like the post.
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On July 16 2010 07:58 EpiK wrote:man, I was expecting a dr.strangelove parody
i am a bit disappointed with this blog
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Canada2480 Posts
no... they actually need to be ennemies... 2 lions on 1 mountain. Asking people to stop saying that is like asking BW players to stop laughing at their SC2 counterparts because their game is way better and to ask SC2 players to stop saying "just need to give it more time" or "when korean progamers switch over(not gonna happen)"
I am of course writing this from a totally unbiased point of view <_<
and to people who say SC2 just needs players of higher skill level to be interesting... you just need to compare to foreign Broodwar
what is the most interesting? foreign broodwar or SC2? (answer is foreign BW)
the reason why SC2 is not as fun to watch comes from an engine design problem. simply the fact that blizzard tried to make this game easier for bad players to handle(read smart-cast) makes it so that spells are far underpowered and unspectacular compared to their BW counterparts...
Storms gave some of the best moments in BroodWar...what's their replacement as the crucial spell for the toss army? ForceFields?
you will never EVER feel impressed by a good forcefield because deep down in your heart you know he only clicked on one place and the FF were all put at the right place by smart-cast.(if you are feeling impressed by a good forcefield you seriously need to watch BW)
same goes with plague/darkswarm/ensnare... fungal growth? really does not make the fights more interesting to immobilize your opponent...compared to the dancing swarms required and he sheer overpowered feel of plagues...
all of this is making me doubt the viability of SC2 as a durable spectator sport
edit: I forgot to state that SC2 lacks some overpowered things to make it nicer to watch... terran army had ridiculous DPS and tanks...imba, zergs had a zone of near invincibility and an ability to 1 hit all your units, Toss had storms. it turned out baland... such a balance is too thin to be reproduced succesfully and blizzard knowing that... underpowered spells (dark swarm with smartcast would be "ugh" too)
/end of rant
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On July 16 2010 08:19 FecalFrown wrote:
I thought this was going to be a thread about how I can learn to stop getting overly stressed about playing Sc2. I love it, but every game I play I'm terrified I'm going to lose, so I can only play a few games in a row before switching over to WoW or something. Replace WoW with Guild Wars and you took the words right out of my fingertips.
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this Blog is all full of win.. Its Right to the point and its totally right.. Im sure Someone would love to be the next Best BW player cause there just will be some guy in some country that will play the game to be just that, may it be South korea, may it be Usa or may it be Cuba..
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
bw4lyfe~
But this seems correct, and as Schnake pointed out it's not like you only have a limited number of people who can play Starcraft; there's the whole world out there.
Nice blog though, since optimism is always a nicer thing to read about^^
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I think the one problem people will have is the amount of attention surrounding sc2. All the tournaments will be for sc2, most of the coverage will be sc2 (speculating), and all the clans will be sc2. If you continue to grind sc1 you're left in a desert with ninja koreans. I think foreign bw will grind to a halt, with the few adventurous desert ninjas attacking the ladder from time to time. As I keep writing this I keep doubting myself. I haven't really played sc2 all that much but I'm sure if many don't cling on to it they might continue on with BW, but I'm doubtful. I mean, how many sc2 players will find it pleasing to adventure into BW? Very little, and the few that did was when the server was down, and once it's released that's never going to happen again for a long..long.. time...
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haha cute blog, 5/5 I like your attitude.
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I think it was a good post; but it's a crime against Art that you have not seen DS or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Get thee hence, good sir, and hire said DVD directly!
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