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Fuck.
I went from tapping 5th in copper, feeling as if I've accomplished something, to being knocked back on my ass on 11th place. Honestly, I wasn't planning to hit platinum overnight, but nearly tasting my way into Bronze (legitimately) just makes me slightly nervous.
Now, I say "legitimately" because I'm the OCD type of person who disgustingly enjoys starting from the bottom and working their way up. Whenever I purchase a game, I try working my way through the campaign completely before feeling accomplished. (Which is probably why I've been to scared to play both sc2 AND FFXII.)
Anyway. I guess I just needed to vent. This game's consumed more than just my time, obviously.
GL to everyone else struggling with the ladder climb.
I'm sure you're all much better off ;}
***[EDIT]***[05/07/10 @ 07:12AM]***
Lol, I did it! Thanks to everyone's replies, advice, tips, and support.
Screen Shot - Victory!
Screen Shot - #1
To those of you who took the time to answer my questions and offer tips...
Thank you! I truly appreciate it.
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Cool to hear there's people low down giving sc2 a crack and trying to climb up, i salute you buddy, gl in your climb, bronze isnt far away =].
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I wish i losed my placement matches on purpose, rank 100th something in Gold for THE LOSE 
FFXII is a AWESOME game btw, you gotta play/beat it 
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just remember to never stop building workers! macro macro macro!
since copper level players build like 14 workers max just out mass him. scout well and you'll be fine! i promise you!
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i cant even imagine being in copper/solver at all, i don't even know how to get there lol.
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@Ftrunkz thanks, man. i've watched the sc1 scene go by without me while i sit around with my thumb up my ass. there's no fucking way i'm letting it go again.
@KinosJourney2 i met a lot of people doing that, actually. a lot of gold and plat members just bored out of their minds with nothing to do. BUT, 100 in Gold is way better than 5th in copper
and FFXII is fucking amazing. which is why i can't play it alongside this damn beta.
@spoolinoveryou thanks for the tip! i've been on the worker binge for a while now, it's actually what has saved my ass a couple times. my scouting probably needs to be a tad bit better... thanks again!
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I aced through placement matches and now playing silver. A lot of ex-wow fags complaining about how boring this game is. Glad to see some one didn't give up.
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@deL how does what work?
@NiGoL oh well you just suck pretty hard like me, OR ... throw all your placement matches and get placed there.
@haduken the 2nd time around i managed to get into bronze, took a small break b/c of work and RL shit, this last reset placed me in copper. ex-wow fags can suck a nut. this game is not for them.
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I am an old wow fan and I want to give it a try (even thought I would probably be stuck in copper league) But i don't have a key
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@ InfernoX aww, well i'm sure if you're hanging around here, you're a bit more serious than the majority of those assholes. i also used to play wow, but tbh, it was all b/c there was nothing else to play. now.. there is!
good luck on the search for a key
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On May 04 2010 19:57 ohaicami wrote:
@deL how does what work?
Fucking copper, how does it work?
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On May 04 2010 19:42 ohaicami wrote:
Now, I say "legitimately" because I'm the OCD type of person who disgustingly enjoys starting from the bottom and working their way up. Whenever I purchase a game, I try working my way through the campaign completely before feeling accomplished.
this describes me perfectly lol. feels alot better when you do it though :D keep going!
edit: only with bw though, i dont get that deep into other games :/
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lol i thought bronze was lowest league...there's copper?
oh wait...what's better bronze or copper..they both sounds equally cheap...-_-
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Glad to see someone actually trying to work their up, reminds me when I was a D on Iccup. GL, and if you ever need help to practice, just add Browney.Halo. I can explain some stuff to you, if you need it.
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Well you obviously haven't been playing long, so don't feel too down. There's lots of players who took years to reach an average skill in SC:BW, and SC2 isn't a whole lot easier. With match making it should help considerably, and don't forget to watch the user streams(especially featured ones) for your race to pick up on things. There's lots of guides on TL for improving that go over what your mindset should be and what your goals should be like, so make sure you take the time to look through the forums and find some of them. GL
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On May 04 2010 19:42 ohaicami wrote:
Fuck.
I went from tapping 5th in copper, feeling as if I've accomplished something, to being knocked back on my ass on 11th place. Honestly, I wasn't planning to hit platinum overnight, but nearly tasting my way into Bronze (legitimately) just makes me slightly nervous.
Now, I say "legitimately" because I'm the OCD type of person who disgustingly enjoys starting from the bottom and working their way up. Whenever I purchase a game, I try working my way through the campaign completely before feeling accomplished. (Which is probably why I've been to scared to play both sc2 AND FFXII.)
Anyway. I guess I just needed to vent. This game's consumed more than just my time, obviously.
GL to everyone else struggling with the ladder climb.
I'm sure you're all much better off ;}
Good on you not giving up! I'd advise you to first focus on keeping your money down by making simply as many lower tier units as possible and keep attacking him with those, until you get the hang of macroing, and after that you can start learning strategies
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Just remember to keep macroing! Keep making workers and keep spending all your money no matter what it's on. Watch a lot of high end tournaments/streams to see what high level players do also. And just keep on going, I'm sure within no time you'll have significantly improved if you just keep playing. ^_^ The most satisfying feeling is those times where you stop and realize you actually have improved over X amount of time. It's such a good feeling. Good luck!
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I was copper last reset, now high golg if that even means anything. Go on a winning streak and it matches you vs higher and higher ranks/leagues.
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Don't get discouraged. Use the time you have in the lower ranks to get comfortable with every race and to learn hotkeys and build orders. I rushed to get good at one of the races and I'm kinda regretting it now that I wanna try out the other two (my experiments with off-races have been comically short). glhf
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How to get to platinum:
1) select zerg
2) make roaches quickly.
3) Send roaches to enemy base when you have 7, rally your hatchery to enemy base and keep making roaches.
Seriously, I don't see anyone below gold knowing how to beat that. Just play zerg and make a gazillion drones before u rally units at your opponents base. Nobody below like, top 30 platinum players know timing or can cheese properly.
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@deL it doesn't. not very well.
@FyRe_DragOn thanks! will do. i remember running back bw's campaign for shits and gigs after playing a few (devastating) rounds of this beta. glad to know i'm not alone.
@The6357 they're both pretty lame. i still make stupid, novice, rookie, mistakes. so i'm assuming these guys are just as bad.
@BrowneY really appreciate it. i've spent nearly a month now seriously playing. ive got a lot of work to do. i'll add you right now! (ohaicami.ohaicami)
@Grobyc i appreciate the kind words of encouragement! i've been watching a bunch of streams when i'm at my desk working, eating lunch, even just getting stoned and watching the streams is helping a lot. i'm scowering through all the threads right now, actually. i've even booted up BW a few times for some older ones just to know wtf they're talking about. thanks again. i'll keep at it!
@TheAntZ thank you! hm, that makes a lot of sense. i'm usually stuck on either spending the extra cash on an expansion or pumping out marines. but then again, i'm getting too ahead of myself with strategies and whatnot. i guess i should start on the low tier game!
@Angra will do! so far my favorite person to watch has been TheLittleOne. just watching one of the replays with him in it completely changed the way i look at the game. i used to think i had a grasp on the macro but had no micro. now i have a fuckton of micro but my macro game has slipped. thanks for the advice :D
@Adeeler orly? i didnt know winning streaks affected your matchup. thanks. i'll keep that in mind. most i've had was 11 ... and i guess thats when shit started to fall apart. hah.
@Tadzio hm, thats the first time i've heard someone else say that. i used to have the attitude of just using beta to fuck around with the races (since its been so long since i've played), but i started getting caught up with rankings and whatnot. now i realize, the higher i'm ranked the higher level players i'm going up against. so i guess copper's just fine for now. 
@willeesmalls hah. if thats true, then i want no part of it. i'm not just trying to get platinum so i could shake my shiny giant epeen at everyone. i really do want to have fun with the damn game. but thanks anyway 
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dont worry too much if you get completely curbstomped by someone in copper/bronze. one of my friends,a C- bw player, got faced with 3 superior players playing their placements, so he went 2-3 and got stuck in bronze. sad for him, took him a lot of overpool->roach push to get back into platinum.
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I know where you're coming from. Was bronze for a bit, and lost all my placement matches after the profile resets to find myself at the bottom of copper where I would barely win half my matches. For someone who has only been playing for a few weeks, that seems about right BUT, when you spend all day thinking about starcraft2, watching replays, planning builds... etc, you kinda feel like you should be progressing much faster. It turns out the only problem might have been that I was all over the place and stopped doing the basics once things got complicated.
Then one day I try a 4-warpgate push, works well. Did it again and again. Perfected the timing, worked on my unit micro, thought of ways to go from there should it fail, learned to scout for specific things that I know will counter my build. I think it comes down to this:
Keep it simple. Find a build that only focuses on producing as many units as you can sustain and do so. Make it so you have nothing else to do but remembering to produce units and control them well. The idea is not to "cheese" your way to the top (this is the beta, who cares about ranking). It's to master the basics before moving to the next step. Once you can execute your rush/push/whatever build perfectly and without even thinking, doing more safe/solid variations aren't so complicated anymore. And best of all, you don't forget to spend money because that's what you've been practicing all this time.
I'm still pretty low ranked, so don't take this as advice. But if you're about to quit from frustration, try it before you do :D
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psh, you kids have it easy. back in my day, we lost 20 games in a row to various D and D- players before we won a single game when we first started out. some of us might go whole seasons without a single win. and let me tell you something, that built character. you learned to lose first, and once you learned that, you learned to play. eventually, you get above 50% in the D- ranks and start losing to the mid-D players, and have to relearn. then you get to D+ and do it all over again.
you kids got it so easy, with your copper leagues and your bronze leagues and your placement matches...
+ Show Spoiler +i hope you read that in an old man voice
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On May 04 2010 20:54 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
dont worry too much if you get completely curbstomped by someone in copper/bronze. one of my friends,a C- bw player, got faced with 3 superior players playing their placements, so he went 2-3 and got stuck in bronze. sad for him, took him a lot of overpool->roach push to get back into platinum.
Yeah, i've come across more people who are pretty damn good but love coasting in copper, since the rookies are ripe for the pickins. hopefully, for your friend and myself, the next reset places me in something a bit more decent. i wouldn't mind silver
lol and yes, there was a hint of an old man voice. BUT luckily for me, back on those days, i was just working in eSports as opposed to playing in it. mwahah. i got the easy way out.
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On May 04 2010 21:00 Back wrote:
I know where you're coming from. Was bronze for a bit, and lost all my placement matches after the profile resets to find myself at the bottom of copper where I would barely win half my matches. For someone who has only been playing for a few weeks, that seems about right BUT, when you spend all day thinking about starcraft2, watching replays, planning builds... etc, you kinda feel like you should be progressing much faster. It turns out the only problem might have been that I was all over the place and stopped doing the basics once things got complicated.
Then one day I try a 4-warpgate push, works well. Did it again and again. Perfected the timing, worked on my unit micro, thought of ways to go from there should it fail, learned to scout for specific things that I know will counter my build. I think it comes down to this:
Keep it simple. Find a build that only focuses on producing as many units as you can sustain and do so. Make it so you have nothing else to do but remembering to produce units and control them well. The idea is not to "cheese" your way to the top (this is the beta, who cares about ranking). It's to master the basics before moving to the next step. Once you can execute your rush/push/whatever build perfectly and without even thinking, doing more safe/solid variations aren't so complicated anymore. And best of all, you don't forget to spend money because that's what you've been practicing all this time.
I'm still pretty low ranked, so don't take this as advice. But if you're about to quit from frustration, try it before you do :D
Wow, sounds like a page from my book. Good to hear from you. You might be completely right about losing hold of the basics. I find myself losing to absolute bull shit sometimes and try blaming it on some other conspiracy that's against me. But, maybe I should brush up on basics again. That probably can't hurt. Your advice hits the spot a little bit more than you think.
I'm definitely getting ahead of myself. I try to plan for some epic strat that I saw some player do one time, as opposed to just working on the foundations of what made that play go so well. (: Thanks!
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On May 04 2010 20:05 deL wrote:Fucking copper, how does it work?
that's exactly what I thought this was reading the title
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Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs.
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i got seeded into copper too. i think i had really good opponents in my placement matches.
climbed up to silver and i think i can go higher.
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Use the time you spend in copper to try 8 refinery 10 ebay 10 depot 11 planetary fortress in your enemies nat, as you may never get another chance to
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On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs.
Interesting. Like I said, I've only ever placed Bronze, and even then I didn't really know what was going on. How are you holding up in Gold? I guess what I'm asking is, do you struggle? Or are you having a pretty good time? I'd like to at least get to a point where I'm equally challenged in a fun and fair game, as opposed to either completely beasting on someone... or getting slaughtered.
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On May 04 2010 20:25 willeesmalls wrote:
How to get to platinum:
1) select zerg
2) make roaches quickly.
3) Send roaches to enemy base when you have 7, rally your hatchery to enemy base and keep making roaches.
Seriously, I don't see anyone below gold knowing how to beat that. Just play zerg and make a gazillion drones before u rally units at your opponents base. Nobody below like, top 30 platinum players know timing or can cheese properly.
I am low gold and falling fast, probably belong in Silver. But when I scout that I can get cannons and zeals and stop it. I think someone tried it and I held it off and then kicked their ass with phoenix / immortal / zeal / stalker / sentry. I think I lost to it also, though. If you don't see it coming it will kick your ass.
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On May 04 2010 22:01 jhNz wrote:
i got seeded into copper too. i think i had really good opponents in my placement matches.
climbed up to silver and i think i can go higher.
Hm, I only remember playing 1 plat player (err at least he claimed to be plat) told me he was going to lose to me so he can drop to copper. We had a long conversation about the ranking system while I took out his base with my SCV's. Won 1 of the other 4 and wound up in Bronze. Sadly, I didn't get to play too much, then the beta reset.
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On May 04 2010 22:03 faction123 wrote:
Use the time you spend in copper to try 8 refinery 10 ebay 10 depot 11 planetary fortress in your enemies nat, as you may never get another chance to
Haha. Did all of that the 2nd week I had the beta, after a friend told me about it. But now, I'm really trying my damndest to get better.
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On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs.
That's kinda my basic formula, except I don't wait till 200 after expanding because I don't wanna give them the chance to expand.
My graph at gold is smaller. 3 of my placement games were PvT wins with Void Ray rushes but gold terrans are ready for that shit. I think I would do a lot better if I stopped rushing void rays and went back to killing pushes and then expanding. I gotta look up a standard PvT build...
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On May 04 2010 22:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 20:25 willeesmalls wrote:
How to get to platinum:
1) select zerg
2) make roaches quickly.
3) Send roaches to enemy base when you have 7, rally your hatchery to enemy base and keep making roaches.
Seriously, I don't see anyone below gold knowing how to beat that. Just play zerg and make a gazillion drones before u rally units at your opponents base. Nobody below like, top 30 platinum players know timing or can cheese properly. I am low gold and falling fast, probably belong in Silver. But when I scout that I can get cannons and zeals and stop it. I think someone tried it and I held it off and then kicked their ass with phoenix / immortal / zeal / stalker / sentry. I think I lost to it also, though. If you don't see it coming it will kick your ass.
There's a counter for everything :D
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if anyone who is playing on asia.
id: keNn.kenn
ownagekenn@gmail.com
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On May 04 2010 22:16 ohaicami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. Interesting. Like I said, I've only ever placed Bronze, and even then I didn't really know what was going on. How are you holding up in Gold? I guess what I'm asking is, do you struggle? Or are you having a pretty good time? I'd like to at least get to a point where I'm equally challenged in a fun and fair game, as opposed to either completely beasting on someone... or getting slaughtered.
It's fun because although I've lost like every match it usually takes like 30+ minutes for them to kill me and when the game is over I feel proud because my net worth (or whatever its called in SC2) is always higher than theirs until the end when my army just melts. 2 weeks, 5 exams and I'll be able to concentrate on SC2 more and I'm gonna try gettting top 10 plat.
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On May 04 2010 21:58 fredd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 20:05 deL wrote:On May 04 2010 19:57 ohaicami wrote:
@deL how does what work? Fucking copper, how does it work? that's exactly what I thought this was reading the title
Oh. Sorry, I didn't mean to be so misleading.
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On May 04 2010 22:33 keNn) wrote:
if anyone who is playing on asia.
id: keNn.kenn
ownagekenn@gmail.com
I'm half filipino. Heh.
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On May 04 2010 22:36 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 22:16 ohaicami wrote:On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. Interesting. Like I said, I've only ever placed Bronze, and even then I didn't really know what was going on. How are you holding up in Gold? I guess what I'm asking is, do you struggle? Or are you having a pretty good time? I'd like to at least get to a point where I'm equally challenged in a fun and fair game, as opposed to either completely beasting on someone... or getting slaughtered. It's fun because although I've lost like every match it usually takes like 30+ minutes for them to kill me and when the game is over I feel proud because my net worth (or whatever its called in SC2) is always higher than theirs until the end when my army just melts. 2 weeks, 5 exams and I'll be able to concentrate on SC2 more and I'm gonna try gettting top 10 plat.
Insanely jealous. I only hope to ever get there. Right now, in copper, I'm either playing someone completely new, or someone insanely good. And even when I do get a great match that I win, I can't help but feel that I barely win it. Anyway, I hope you make it to plat :D! It sucks that real life takes us away from what TRULY gives us pleasure, eh?
I've got a solid week this week of just playing, so hopefully, I can pull out of copper this week.
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On May 04 2010 22:26 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. That's kinda my basic formula, except I don't wait till 200 after expanding because I don't wanna give them the chance to expand. My graph at gold is smaller. 3 of my placement games were PvT wins with Void Ray rushes but gold terrans are ready for that shit. I think I would do a lot better if I stopped rushing void rays and went back to killing pushes and then expanding. I gotta look up a standard PvT build...
I've been rushed a few times by toss players with Void Rays, and I start to crumble since my early game is just about harassing the toss player as best as I can. I'm not sure if I'm just trying to be too fancy, or if there's really nothing I can do about it. :<
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On May 04 2010 22:42 Rotodyne wrote:oops misread
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Well, I am on last spot at my gold division lol. Lost some games and I dont have the motivation to play 1v1 anymore.
At the same time I found 2v2 where my teammate speaks Korean to me all game despire the fact that I type in English with him and we still beat our opponents is great :D
I am Terran btw, and Terran players are rare specie on Asia server. out of 10 games maybe 1 TvT . The amount of Zerg and Protoss on Asia server is insane..
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On May 04 2010 22:42 ohaicami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 22:36 madnessman wrote:On May 04 2010 22:16 ohaicami wrote:On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. Interesting. Like I said, I've only ever placed Bronze, and even then I didn't really know what was going on. How are you holding up in Gold? I guess what I'm asking is, do you struggle? Or are you having a pretty good time? I'd like to at least get to a point where I'm equally challenged in a fun and fair game, as opposed to either completely beasting on someone... or getting slaughtered. It's fun because although I've lost like every match it usually takes like 30+ minutes for them to kill me and when the game is over I feel proud because my net worth (or whatever its called in SC2) is always higher than theirs until the end when my army just melts. 2 weeks, 5 exams and I'll be able to concentrate on SC2 more and I'm gonna try gettting top 10 plat. Insanely jealous. I only hope to ever get there. Right now, in copper, I'm either playing someone completely new, or someone insanely good. And even when I do get a great match that I win, I can't help but feel that I barely win it. Anyway, I hope you make it to plat :D! It sucks that real life takes us away from what TRULY gives us pleasure, eh? I've got a solid week this week of just playing, so hopefully, I can pull out of copper this week.
Yup real life is annoying. Haha. Remember, most people in Copper-Gold actually aren't that good at macroing if I'm out producing them. Just constantly produce probes/drones/SCVs, build lots of unit production buildings, don't be too scared to take your natural expansion, and try to keep your average unspent minerals under 400. Someone has probably already told you that (and if they haven't START DOING IT NOW) and I know it isn't that easy but concentrate on that and you'll have a huge army compared to most people.
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On May 04 2010 22:26 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. That's kinda my basic formula, except I don't wait till 200 after expanding because I don't wanna give them the chance to expand. My graph at gold is smaller. 3 of my placement games were PvT wins with Void Ray rushes but gold terrans are ready for that shit. I think I would do a lot better if I stopped rushing void rays and went back to killing pushes and then expanding. I gotta look up a standard PvT build...
I just scout to make sure they don't expand beyond their nat. Nobody I've played has ever taken a 3rd I think... ARGH need to stop posting on TL and just sleep.
EDIT: oops double post sorry.
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On May 04 2010 22:54 Caphe wrote:
Well, I am on last spot at my gold division lol. Lost some games and I dont have the motivation to play 1v1 anymore.
At the same time I found 2v2 where my teammate speaks Korean to me all game despire the fact that I type in English with him and we still beat our opponents is great :D
I am Terran btw, and Terran players are rare specie on Asia server. out of 10 games maybe 1 TvT . The amount of Zerg and Protoss on Asia server is insane..
Haha, aww. Don't be discouraged. You'r talking to a teetering top 10 copper player, here. I'm currently looking up to the Golden ladder! But, I do know how you feel. I was embarrassingly dropped from Bronze because:
a) I stopped playing for a good 2 weeks
b) Some dude probably got bumped into Bronze and deserved it.
Terran seemed to be the standard to play with. I only ever see Terran (being a US player). Hm, it's funny how the race variety differs depending on what continent you're on. I can only be excited for when I can play internationally.
LOL @ your korean friend btw.
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I'm impressed everyone is being so positive/constructive after that OP.
It sounds like you have a better attitude than your OP implied.
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On May 04 2010 22:59 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 22:42 ohaicami wrote:On May 04 2010 22:36 madnessman wrote:On May 04 2010 22:16 ohaicami wrote:On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. Interesting. Like I said, I've only ever placed Bronze, and even then I didn't really know what was going on. How are you holding up in Gold? I guess what I'm asking is, do you struggle? Or are you having a pretty good time? I'd like to at least get to a point where I'm equally challenged in a fun and fair game, as opposed to either completely beasting on someone... or getting slaughtered. It's fun because although I've lost like every match it usually takes like 30+ minutes for them to kill me and when the game is over I feel proud because my net worth (or whatever its called in SC2) is always higher than theirs until the end when my army just melts. 2 weeks, 5 exams and I'll be able to concentrate on SC2 more and I'm gonna try gettting top 10 plat. Insanely jealous. I only hope to ever get there. Right now, in copper, I'm either playing someone completely new, or someone insanely good. And even when I do get a great match that I win, I can't help but feel that I barely win it. Anyway, I hope you make it to plat :D! It sucks that real life takes us away from what TRULY gives us pleasure, eh? I've got a solid week this week of just playing, so hopefully, I can pull out of copper this week. Yup real life is annoying. Haha. Remember, most people in Copper-Gold actually aren't that good at macroing if I'm out producing them. Just constantly produce probes/drones/SCVs, build lots of unit production buildings, don't be too scared to take your natural expansion, and try to keep your average unspent minerals under 400. Someone has probably already told you that (and if they haven't START DOING IT NOW) and I know it isn't that easy but concentrate on that and you'll have a huge army compared to most people.
You're right, I hear this ALL the time, and yet I still find myself slipping to hitting that 1k mark. I cringe even admitting to it, but I'm not going to bullshit you just to make myself look good. At that point I end up just throwing down expansions. I'm actually failing on the unit production building, and it's nice of you to point that out. I get too caught up with any advances I'm currently making that I completely forget to macro.
I'll definitely, DEFINITELY, work on that :D!
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On May 04 2010 23:01 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 22:26 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On May 04 2010 21:59 madnessman wrote:
Yeah I got into a gold winning 4/5 placement matches without ANY sc2 knowledge or experience just by keeping it simple. My basic formula is this... Stay one base, build 4 gates, wait for them to push, defeat their push, expand, macro until i hit 200 and attack them. It worked well my for my placement games but I'm actually having a little trouble in Gold because I don't know anything about the new units or counters so my army gets decimated although my 'graph' is always higher than theirs... I'm gonna watch some user streams and actually learn how to play after APs. That's kinda my basic formula, except I don't wait till 200 after expanding because I don't wanna give them the chance to expand. My graph at gold is smaller. 3 of my placement games were PvT wins with Void Ray rushes but gold terrans are ready for that shit. I think I would do a lot better if I stopped rushing void rays and went back to killing pushes and then expanding. I gotta look up a standard PvT build... I just scout to make sure they don't expand beyond their nat. Nobody I've played has ever taken a 3rd I think... ARGH need to stop posting on TL and just sleep. EDIT: oops double post sorry.
No, don't sleep! It's 7:30am here and I've got no intentions of sleeping. Boyfriend's coming over at like, noon, and I'm going to just lie to him and say that I woke up early just to get on TL.
So, suck it up!
... hehe jk.
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On May 04 2010 23:34 micronesia wrote:
I'm impressed everyone is being so positive/constructive after that OP.
It sounds like you have a better attitude than your OP implied.
Hm, I honestly didn't mean to sound so brash. I guess I was just full of nerd-rage and didn't know what to do with it. I don't have many friends that play SC2, and the ones that do are not very good. All they every do is cheese their way to the top and barely give me sound advice. I've only ever just lurked here before, and I just started posting on blogs because, well, I'm on here so goddamn much lol.
I apologize if I sounded like a complete jackass in my OP. I was just frustrated. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has felt that way.
Btw, I'm also impressed (and somewhat in awe) that everyone has been so helpful. It's probably why I'm still here, nearly 8am just reading/replying.
Edit: Come to think of it, I didn't even really expect ANYONE to read it, let alone reply to it :/
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I'm stuck in silver and ama ctually having a hard time. I get all in cheesed every other game. I don't know how people everywhere are saying how easy it is to get to plat :/
I hate the way sc2 is played, sc1 so much better :/
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On May 04 2010 23:34 ohaicami wrote:
You're right, I hear this ALL the time, and yet I still find myself slipping to hitting that 1k mark.
When this happens, as day9 always says, instead of thinking how to spend that money quickly, look at the game in retrospect and think how you could have spent that money before you got to that point.
If your problem is that you're just forgetting to produce constantly from your buildings, focus ONLY on that for a few games. Figure out the best way to hotkey your stuff so that it's really quick to make a round of units (I play T and hotkey every production building to one number and tab between them)
If your problem is that you collect extra money on top of what you need for production, focus on adding more barracks/warpgates/hatcheries into your build sooner. It would probably be a good idea to try making TOO MANY production facilities so that you can learn how many will work out for you based on your econ.
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You can do it!
In patch 1 I went from Copper to Platinum took a lot more games than it does now, but it helped me improve at the game so much. Copper was about 30 games, bronze was about 60, silver was about 40 and gold was about 25. Of course as soon as I hit Platinum the first reset happened. I do miss silver, it was my most favourite league for the diversity of skill you played.
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I'm the OCD type of person who disgustingly enjoys starting from the bottom and working their way up.
So I'm assuming you just try to get to the strongest units as soon as possible.
I've never been in copper but I'm guessing you could faceroll everybody there just by constant scv production and being very aggressive as soon as you can get low tier units.
This lets you focus on small parts of the game and prevents you from having to get in macro fests vs weak players while your mechanics (managing many units/structures) are still developing (to put it nicely)
edit: also start hotkeying everything and using keyboard shortcuts instead of clicks ALWAYS - this takes time if you are new to rts but if you dont start now you will get stuck somewhere in bronze/silver anyways
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On May 05 2010 00:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I'm stuck in silver and ama ctually having a hard time. I get all in cheesed every other game. I don't know how people everywhere are saying how easy it is to get to plat :/
I hate the way sc2 is played, sc1 so much better :/
Oh no. Were you ranked higher in sc1?
I've loaded sc1 a few times to either watch a replay or try to get a better understanding of some of the older threads I was reading. But, I don't think I can ever go back.
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On May 04 2010 19:53 NiGoL wrote:
i cant even imagine being in copper/solver at all, i don't even know how to get there lol.
Simple way to get to silver: in placement matches, lose 1 game because you mess up the hotkey that transforms overlord to overseer, despite the fact having double the supply of your opponent. Lose another game to tripple proxy gateway in PvP. There u go, you're silver T_T (that's what happened to me... Anyways, climbed to gold now !)
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On May 05 2010 00:20 hoborg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 23:34 ohaicami wrote:
You're right, I hear this ALL the time, and yet I still find myself slipping to hitting that 1k mark.
When this happens, as day9 always says, instead of thinking how to spend that money quickly, look at the game in retrospect and think how you could have spent that money before you got to that point. If your problem is that you're just forgetting to produce constantly from your buildings, focus ONLY on that for a few games. Figure out the best way to hotkey your stuff so that it's really quick to make a round of units (I play T and hotkey every production building to one number and tab between them) If your problem is that you collect extra money on top of what you need for production, focus on adding more barracks/warpgates/hatcheries into your build sooner. It would probably be a good idea to try making TOO MANY production facilities so that you can learn how many will work out for you based on your econ.
I also play T, and my problem is either forgetting to produce units (and hotkey-ing the each building would probably fix that) OR I get myself in a situation where I am stuck with the same production buildings that I started with. Watching a lot of these matches, I realize, as most of these players expand, they're dropping pairs or trips of each building. So, I guess I need to working on both.
Trial and error is what I've been doing. Even then I've been doing it all wrong. I'd experiment certain strats as soon as I know the game has turned towards my defeat. That way I can get in the "practice". Maybe that's what's kept me sunk so low lately, because then, I develop such bad habits when I do win that way.
Thank you so much for the advice. I'll def keep that in mind
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On May 05 2010 00:56 ohaicami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 00:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I'm stuck in silver and ama ctually having a hard time. I get all in cheesed every other game. I don't know how people everywhere are saying how easy it is to get to plat :/
I hate the way sc2 is played, sc1 so much better :/ Oh no. Were you ranked higher in sc1? I've loaded sc1 a few times to either watch a replay or try to get a better understanding of some of the older threads I was reading. But, I don't think I can ever go back.
I find it so much more balanced. I hate how everything in sc2 has a hard counter. And just getting my game sense back sucks.. I never have any diea what my opponent is doing just because idk all the builds for every race
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On May 05 2010 00:41 Kralic wrote:
You can do it!
In patch 1 I went from Copper to Platinum took a lot more games than it does now, but it helped me improve at the game so much. Copper was about 30 games, bronze was about 60, silver was about 40 and gold was about 25. Of course as soon as I hit Platinum the first reset happened. I do miss silver, it was my most favourite league for the diversity of skill you played.
Interesting. I used to feel a bit self conscious when my ratio hit the 30/30 mark. I was wondering if I'm just playing way too many matches and should give up lol. Then, I realized the #1 in copper played 100+ games, so I'm not too worried now. Knowing that the 'higher' divisions mean less matches, it probably means quality > quantity, right?
Silver sounds dope. I wouldn't mind settling for Silver.
Thanks a lot :D
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Some people you are matched up against can be really bad, so just hope you get a bunch of those
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I've loaded sc1 a few times to either watch a replay or try to get a better understanding of some of the older threads I was reading. But, I don't think I can ever go back.
Oh man, I'm having fun with beta enjoying the cool new toy if you will, but SC1 is still where it's at, maybe SC2 will get there but for now the strategical depth, the character of the units, the micro, etc. is just better in BW.
As far as getting better, at your level its like 90% about macro. Just keep those minerals low and the probes/drones/scv's flowing nonstop. Honestly, if you focus 95% on macro and maybe watch your army for a couple seconds to position as you make a big attack you'll notice a huge difference. Just get used to constatnt production from your production facilities, having enough production buildings, and not getting supply capped and you'll start to go on a tear in the lower divisions.
I lost my placement matches 0-5 so I could start in copper and work up, since i just got my key a few days ago and had read/watched a grand total of maybe 20 minutes of SC2 stuff ever a and didn't want to start out getting completely obliterated. So basically the only thing I really have going for me is acceptable mechanics yet I've been tearing through silver and gold players just trying to macro and get an expansion up at a reasonable time. I've lost some here and there to early attacks I wasn't expecting (mass viking, banshees (lol, didn't know they could cloak),early mass ling, etc.), but in general even against silver and low gold players I feel like I'm just steamrolling them with decent macro, even though my strategy and unit compositions tend to be suboptimal.
So I'd say the biggest thing is focus really hard on getting decent mechanics for couple weeks and then when it gets natural to keep minerals nice and low with good worker production and avoidance of supply caps, especially during battle/harass, start to think a little more about wha strategies to use and how to micro your units.
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On May 05 2010 00:49 gogogadgetflow wrote:Show nested quote +I'm the OCD type of person who disgustingly enjoys starting from the bottom and working their way up.
So I'm assuming you just try to get to the strongest units as soon as possible. I've never been in copper but I'm guessing you could faceroll everybody there just by constant scv production and being very aggressive as soon as you can get low tier units. This lets you focus on small parts of the game and prevents you from having to get in macro fests vs weak players while your mechanics (managing many units/structures) are still developing (to put it nicely) edit: also start hotkeying everything and using keyboard shortcuts instead of clicks ALWAYS - this takes time if you are new to rts but if you dont start now you will get stuck somewhere in bronze/silver anyways
I don't necessarily go for stronger units. (I admit, the very first match I played ever when I was demo-ing it at Blizzard HQ ... I made a battle cruiser just to hear the Russian), but I'm usually pretty loyal to a certain BO or strat. What happens, I guess, is I try to get fancy. Start with Reapers, plan to go Banshee's, then end up scrambling for MMM's midgame. Something stupid like that.
I mentioned this to someone else earlier, but I don't mind saying it again... I watched ONE terran match that TLO played against ... someone (can't remember) and I won like, 23+ games in one sitting. The concept of just being aggressive with low tier units completely lifted some retard-barrier I had on. Whenever I have my first cluster of Marines/Marauders I just send them in to harass. It's usually after that do I start getting
I've been very fluent with my SCV production, but I find myself not spending it on the right things. For some reason I'll focus on dropping another expansion or pumping out more units, as opposed to what someone suggested earlier (which was to add more production buildings). But, I will try to level up my mechanics, as you say it . That seems to be key.
Oh, and I'm terrible with hotkeys. At least, I've never really gone further than hotkey-ing my CC's to 1, 2, 3 etc. For Mule's/Scans. I've played a bunch of RTS, but this is the first time I've actually taken it seriously. (Pretty much.. past the campaign and friendly 1v1's.)
Thank you so much for the advice
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On May 05 2010 01:07 Zidane wrote:Some people you are matched up against can be really bad, so just hope you get a bunch of those
I've had those haha. I think I blew it though when I hit 5th and started getting (allegedly) low silvers. Then I was stuck not knowing what to do because all I ever had experience from were the scrubs and freebies. Now, I guess, I'm really learning shit.
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On May 05 2010 01:13 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +I've loaded sc1 a few times to either watch a replay or try to get a better understanding of some of the older threads I was reading. But, I don't think I can ever go back. Oh man, I'm having fun with beta enjoying the cool new toy if you will, but SC1 is still where it's at, maybe SC2 will get there but for now the strategical depth, the character of the units, the micro, etc. is just better in BW. As far as getting better, at your level its like 90% about macro. Just keep those minerals low and the probes/drones/scv's flowing nonstop. Honestly, if you focus 95% on macro and maybe watch your army for a couple seconds to position as you make a big attack you'll notice a huge difference. Just get used to constatnt production from your production facilities, having enough production buildings, and not getting supply capped and you'll start to go on a tear in the lower divisions. I lost my placement matches 0-5 so I could start in copper and work up, since i just got my key a few days ago and had read/watched a grand total of maybe 20 minutes of SC2 stuff ever a and didn't want to start out getting completely obliterated. So basically the only thing I really have going for me is acceptable mechanics yet I've been tearing through silver and gold players just trying to macro and get an expansion up at a reasonable time. I've lost some here and there to early attacks I wasn't expecting (mass viking, banshees (lol, didn't know they could cloak),early mass ling, etc.), but in general even against silver and low gold players I feel like I'm just steamrolling them with decent macro, even though my strategy and unit compositions tend to be suboptimal. So I'd say the biggest thing is focus really hard on getting decent mechanics for couple weeks and then when it gets natural to keep minerals nice and low with good worker production and avoidance of supply caps, especially during battle/harass, start to think a little more about wha strategies to use and how to micro your units.
No kidding? Macro is what I've been hearing from everyone else as well. I had been told that my Micro game was my weak point. So, these past 10-15 games that I've played, I heavily concentrated on my Micro capability. I must have completely dropped Macro because the problems that I'm having are things that can be easily fixed by macro-ing properly. Haha, I even got yelled at because I beat some Z player with just Marines & Medivacs. Said something about learning how to macro and that I was a 15APM idiot. Lol. I wanted to apologize and tell him he's probably right since I'm in copper, though I'd really like to know what his excuse was.
He left game though :<
Minerals low is probably the main goal I plan to hit. I want to not only stay low, but be conscious of where they're going. I sometimes dump minerals into 10 or so marines, send them into battle, look away for one second, and realize that they were just obliterated by a Void Ray. Doh.
Supply Caps, CHECK. I feel completely stupid when I hear the embarassing "Not enough Supply Depots". I mean, really? Lol, but I can learn!
Thank you so much for the tips. I'm seriously taking them to the drawing board.
PS: sc1 will always have a place in my heart. I've been only a spectator in the sc1 scene, never really playing. Imagine a little kid who loves basketball, knows the teams, players, clutch moments, but only ever really plays in their own driveway. That was me. Sc2 has literally given me a chance to start clean, and hopefully, get to competitive level. (Though I secretly just want to commentate matches heh.)
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On May 05 2010 01:03 Ian Ian Ian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 00:56 ohaicami wrote:On May 05 2010 00:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
I'm stuck in silver and ama ctually having a hard time. I get all in cheesed every other game. I don't know how people everywhere are saying how easy it is to get to plat :/
I hate the way sc2 is played, sc1 so much better :/ Oh no. Were you ranked higher in sc1? I've loaded sc1 a few times to either watch a replay or try to get a better understanding of some of the older threads I was reading. But, I don't think I can ever go back. I find it so much more balanced. I hate how everything in sc2 has a hard counter. And just getting my game sense back sucks.. I never have any diea what my opponent is doing just because idk all the builds for every race
For a game that's been out as long as SC1 has, there's a lot of logic that either needs to be shed or learned. Both for new comers and veterans. I'm sure being an oldschool-er gives you a little bit of a heads up against the new guys.
Plus, I'm just looking forward to the already established Pro Players and see what they'll do with it.
But, I do hope you end up enjoying SC2
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No matter how fast you get, you're always wishing you could do more in certain situations. The best players are the ones who can decide and act upon the best actions when multiple things are taking up their attention at any given time.
Sometimes, micro can make the difference in games. I've been doing a lot of banshee rush/harass, and those first few banshees can win or lose me the game, depending on how well they do. If I can kill nearly every worker of my opponent, it matters little that my minerals climb to 1k, for instance. I just need to survive any counterattack, and then can just put down 5 or 6 barracks and another CC, and just macro to win at that point. Another example is scouting - if you can micro the worker/other unit well enough to gather that extra bit of information, it can make a huge difference in the overall result of the game.
However, having a lot of shit is what wins the games. Those 2 or so banshees can give me an edge, but I can't really kill anybody without an actual army..... That scouting is useless without making a unit composition that is effective against my opponent's composition, or finding holes in his defense and having units there and ready to bust through those holes. That is where macro comes in.
Everyone starts off at the "omg, what the hell is that? A scout? Why can't my zealots attack it?" phase. Relatively speaking, I'm a pretty terrible player myself. But I try to find the right balance of micro/macro for me. It's not easy, and I do lose games that I really could have won if I made a few different decisions. You should try to strive to find the right balance for you.
Learning a good build order is a smart way to improve your win/loss ratio, as well as help with finding the balance between micro and macro; but unless you understand why each building/unit is being made at that point, you will not improve as fast as you could. Also, what works for one person may not work well for you, so be willing to look for changes you can make to suit your own playstyle.
You'll work your way out of Copper eventually. Keep playing, keep studying, keep improving, and you can make Platinum. I'm not actually in platinum right now, but I'm right near the top of Gold at the moment (peaked at #2 recently, dunno if I'm still there). Really, it doesn't seem to be too hard to get into Platinum, I was just completely surprised at how effective Nydus worms were in one placement match, and lost to an overall inferior player, otherwise I would have been 5-0 and probably placed in Platinum.....
Most importantly though:
GL HF
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On May 05 2010 02:01 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
No matter how fast you get, you're always wishing you could do more in certain situations. The best players are the ones who can decide and act upon the best actions when multiple things are taking up their attention at any given time.
Sometimes, micro can make the difference in games. I've been doing a lot of banshee rush/harass, and those first few banshees can win or lose me the game, depending on how well they do. If I can kill nearly every worker of my opponent, it matters little that my minerals climb to 1k, for instance. I just need to survive any counterattack, and then can just put down 5 or 6 barracks and another CC, and just macro to win at that point. Another example is scouting - if you can micro the worker/other unit well enough to gather that extra bit of information, it can make a huge difference in the overall result of the game.
However, having a lot of shit is what wins the games. Those 2 or so banshees can give me an edge, but I can't really kill anybody without an actual army..... That scouting is useless without making a unit composition that is effective against my opponent's composition, or finding holes in his defense and having units there and ready to bust through those holes. That is where macro comes in.
Everyone starts off at the "omg, what the hell is that? A scout? Why can't my zealots attack it?" phase. Relatively speaking, I'm a pretty terrible player myself. But I try to find the right balance of micro/macro for me. It's not easy, and I do lose games that I really could have won if I made a few different decisions. You should try to strive to find the right balance for you.
Learning a good build order is a smart way to improve your win/loss ratio, as well as help with finding the balance between micro and macro; but unless you understand why each building/unit is being made at that point, you will not improve as fast as you could. Also, what works for one person may not work well for you, so be willing to look for changes you can make to suit your own playstyle.
You'll work your way out of Copper eventually. Keep playing, keep studying, keep improving, and you can make Platinum. I'm not actually in platinum right now, but I'm right near the top of Gold at the moment (peaked at #2 recently, dunno if I'm still there). Really, it doesn't seem to be too hard to get into Platinum, I was just completely surprised at how effective Nydus worms were in one placement match, and lost to an overall inferior player, otherwise I would have been 5-0 and probably placed in Platinum.....
Most importantly though:
GL HF
Such amazing advice, thank you! I'm extremely grateful. Having made this blog post, whether or not I knew what was coming to me, has literally leveled up my perception of the game. It helps that you're a Terran player, I'm not so well versed with the other classes.
I'll definitely give it all a shot. The mechanics, scouting, and macro seems to be my weak points. I'm going to be looking out for such things in the replays that I watch from this point moving forward.
Thanks again, it really does help to read wise words of wisdom . I cherish it!
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i dont get how ppl arent in platinum. my placement matches were worse than sc1 computers.
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On May 04 2010 20:07 The6357 wrote:
lol i thought bronze was lowest league...there's copper?
oh wait...what's better bronze or copper..they both sounds equally cheap...-_-
According to Blizzard, you can smelt copper and tin into bronze using this. xD
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Hm... I was demoted to silver but I've won every single game in Silver... I guess I'm learning the game. Still have 4 AP tests but I'm gonna get back up to Gold by Friday.
EDIT: 6th place in silver right now... It's taking longer than I though.
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On May 05 2010 17:29 madnessman wrote:
Hm... I was demoted to silver but I've won every single game in Silver... I guess I'm learning the game. Still have 4 AP tests but I'm gonna get back up to Gold by Friday.
EDIT: 6th place in silver right now... It's taking longer than I though.
Maybe someone just got bumped up. Were you at the bottom? I've seen people get demoted because someone else moved up. It might have been the same in your case.
Good luck on your tests & getting gold
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On May 05 2010 11:48 mlee wrote:
i dont get how ppl arent in platinum. my placement matches were worse than sc1 computers.
Well, maybe not everyone is as awesome as you.
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On May 05 2010 12:40 lotri wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 20:07 The6357 wrote:
lol i thought bronze was lowest league...there's copper?
oh wait...what's better bronze or copper..they both sounds equally cheap...-_- According to Blizzard, you can smelt copper and tin into bronze using this. xD
Lol! Must level up my smelting skills then.
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On May 05 2010 10:01 ohaicami wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 02:01 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
No matter how fast you get, you're always wishing you could do more in certain situations. The best players are the ones who can decide and act upon the best actions when multiple things are taking up their attention at any given time.
Sometimes, micro can make the difference in games. I've been doing a lot of banshee rush/harass, and those first few banshees can win or lose me the game, depending on how well they do. If I can kill nearly every worker of my opponent, it matters little that my minerals climb to 1k, for instance. I just need to survive any counterattack, and then can just put down 5 or 6 barracks and another CC, and just macro to win at that point. Another example is scouting - if you can micro the worker/other unit well enough to gather that extra bit of information, it can make a huge difference in the overall result of the game.
However, having a lot of shit is what wins the games. Those 2 or so banshees can give me an edge, but I can't really kill anybody without an actual army..... That scouting is useless without making a unit composition that is effective against my opponent's composition, or finding holes in his defense and having units there and ready to bust through those holes. That is where macro comes in.
Everyone starts off at the "omg, what the hell is that? A scout? Why can't my zealots attack it?" phase. Relatively speaking, I'm a pretty terrible player myself. But I try to find the right balance of micro/macro for me. It's not easy, and I do lose games that I really could have won if I made a few different decisions. You should try to strive to find the right balance for you.
Learning a good build order is a smart way to improve your win/loss ratio, as well as help with finding the balance between micro and macro; but unless you understand why each building/unit is being made at that point, you will not improve as fast as you could. Also, what works for one person may not work well for you, so be willing to look for changes you can make to suit your own playstyle.
You'll work your way out of Copper eventually. Keep playing, keep studying, keep improving, and you can make Platinum. I'm not actually in platinum right now, but I'm right near the top of Gold at the moment (peaked at #2 recently, dunno if I'm still there). Really, it doesn't seem to be too hard to get into Platinum, I was just completely surprised at how effective Nydus worms were in one placement match, and lost to an overall inferior player, otherwise I would have been 5-0 and probably placed in Platinum.....
Most importantly though:
GL HF Such amazing advice, thank you! I'm extremely grateful. Having made this blog post, whether or not I knew what was coming to me, has literally leveled up my perception of the game. It helps that you're a Terran player, I'm not so well versed with the other classes. I'll definitely give it all a shot. The mechanics, scouting, and macro seems to be my weak points. I'm going to be looking out for such things in the replays that I watch from this point moving forward. Thanks again, it really does help to read wise words of wisdom . I cherish it!
You're welcome.
I know exactly how you feel, when you talk about "levelling up my perception of the game". I went through the exact same thing when I started watching Day[9]. Seemingly overnight, I went from a struggling D to a solid C- player in SCBW, with no real increase in mechanical skill (a grand total of 1 apm increase between the two seasons). The fact that I played Zerg, and Day[9] is also a Zerg player helped a lot too. I highly recommend watching him as often as possible, and remembering which casts were particularily applicable to you, so you can re-watch them. Also, some of his podcasts, which you can find here, were very useful to me as well. Particularily useful to me were the ones on build orders (the 5 hatch hydra and variations, or the mindset behind build orders), or on other ones such as "playing against worse players", because it provides an insight to these specific, important issues that you would not normally find elsewhere.
And that is just the knowledge coming out of 1 person. TL has thousands and thousands of good players who have shared some of their knowledge on this site. All you have to do is look. TL is an excellent resource for anyone wanting to find ways of fueling their competitive fire.
If you need any specific help, don't be afraid to ask. Just don't be like those countless idiots (I was one myself at one point) and simply post a replay, and say "ZVT IMBA" and hope for help..... Point out specific things that you are unsure of, and ask questions related to that. The more effort you put into finding help, the more effort people will put into helping you, because it shows that you actually want help.
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Congrats on #1 in your copper division. You should be in bronze in no time. Just don't get to discouraged it is only the beta and all of the loses and wins you have will net you a lot of experience to take with you for when the game is released.
This has probably been mentioned before, but don't try to go for getting both your micro play and macro play to be at the same skill. Work on one more than the other, most recommend the macro first. If you concentrate on one more than the other you will be able to win games with that mechanic alone in the lower leagues. Once you are comfortable with one of them, practice the other one while doing the other as well as you have been with it alone. I work with about 70% micro and about 30% macro. My money is usually a lot higher then I want it to be, but my units last a lot longer. I am trying to work on keeping my money as low as possible but keep my units alive for a lot longer then usual if I can.
Just remember when the game comes out the match system should match you up with people who are "equal" in skill with you on paper. If your mechanics(micro/macro) and strategies are better you will most likely win the game against that opponent.
Keep on practicing and you will obtain your goal in no time!
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