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Stephen Hawking says don't talk to aliens

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Lobotomy
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States300 Posts
April 27 2010 13:09 GMT
#1
Interesting read.
Here is the original link.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article7107207.ece

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THE aliens are out there and Earth had better watch out, at least according to Stephen Hawking. He has suggested that extraterrestrials are almost certain to exist — but that instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact.

The suggestions come in a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists, will set out his latest thinking on some of the universe’s greatest mysteries.

Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.

“To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” he said. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

The answer, he suggests, is that most of it will be the equivalent of microbes or simple animals — the sort of life that has dominated Earth for most of its history.

One scene in his documentary for the Discovery Channel shows herds of two-legged herbivores browsing on an alien cliff-face where they are picked off by flying, yellow lizard-like predators. Another shows glowing fluorescent aquatic animals forming vast shoals in the oceans thought to underlie the thick ice coating Europa, one of the moons of Jupiter.

Such scenes are speculative, but Hawking uses them to lead on to a serious point: that a few life forms could be intelligent and pose a threat. Hawking believes that contact with such a species could be devastating for humanity.

He suggests that aliens might simply raid Earth for its resources and then move on: “We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn’t want to meet. I imagine they might exist in massive ships, having used up all the resources from their home planet. Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonise whatever planets they can reach.”

He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”

The completion of the documentary marks a triumph for Hawking, now 68, who is paralysed by motor neurone disease and has very limited powers of communication. The project took him and his producers three years, during which he insisted on rewriting large chunks of the script and checking the filming.

John Smithson, executive producer for Discovery, said: “He wanted to make a programme that was entertaining for a general audience as well as scientific and that’s a tough job, given the complexity of the ideas involved.”

Hawking has suggested the possibility of alien life before but his views have been clarified by a series of scientific breakthroughs, such as the discovery, since 1995, of more than 450 planets orbiting distant stars, showing that planets are a common phenomenon.

So far, all the new planets found have been far larger than Earth, but only because the telescopes used to detect them are not sensitive enough to detect Earth-sized bodies at such distances.

Another breakthrough is the discovery that life on Earth has proven able to colonise its most extreme environments. If life can survive and evolve there, scientists reason, then perhaps nowhere is out of bounds.

Hawking’s belief in aliens places him in good scientific company. In his recent Wonders of the Solar System BBC series, Professor Brian Cox backed the idea, too, suggesting Mars, Europa and Titan, a moon of Saturn, as likely places to look.

Similarly, Lord Rees, the astronomer royal, warned in a lecture earlier this year that aliens might prove to be beyond human understanding.

“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive,” he said. “Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there are aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains.”


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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
April 27 2010 13:14 GMT
#2
Probably a good call in my opinion, but, if they're out there and they have the intention of going around and fucking up other planets they'll probably find us anyway.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 27 2010 13:15 GMT
#3
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Just thought that was amusing.

I don't think what he presented was in any way particularly "interesting." I'd imagine most people are aware of the "possibility" (if even mathematical probability) of "alien lifeforms" existing, and that most (the majority of) such people believe such extraterrestrial lifeforms are probably (possibly?) a threat to mankind. It just happens to be newsworthy because it was brought up by Stephen Hawking - almost any other guy saying this would be brushed off as simply speaking "common sense."
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
April 27 2010 13:20 GMT
#4
i don't see how the word "lobotomy" relates to Stephen Hawking in any way.
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
April 27 2010 13:20 GMT
#5
It seems a bit too sci-fi movie like to me. I agree that aliens probably exist due to the galaxy's immense size but they are assuming that aliens will act like how we humans acted in the past.
EntertainMe
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
864 Posts
April 27 2010 13:24 GMT
#6
IMO, if Alien's are that technologically advanced, able to travel billions lightyears within our life spam, they wouldn't need us in the first place. Also, going by his number theory, even if they are looking for a planet to leech off of, I'm sure there are alot more planet(number theory) like us closer to them or even with more resource.
Conclusion, it's interesting, but not worrisome.
Like Southlight said, attentions there only because Stephen Hawking said it.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
April 27 2010 13:25 GMT
#7
On April 27 2010 22:20 madnessman wrote:
It seems a bit too sci-fi movie like to me. I agree that aliens probably exist due to the galaxy's immense size but they are assuming that aliens will act like how we humans acted in the past.

I think the biggest assumption is that they'd actually be able to reach us. I don't think it's too much to assume that if there is a race of highly intelligent beings out there with technology far superior to ours that they'd probably be malevolent.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 27 2010 13:26 GMT
#8
Hawking has a neuro-muscular dystrophy that is related to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), a condition that has progressed over the years and has left him almost completely paralysed.

Lobotomy (Greek: λοβός – lobos: "lobe (of brain)"; τομή – tome: "cut/slice") is a neurosurgical procedure, a form of psychosurgery, also known as a leukotomy or leucotomy (from the Greek λευκός – leukos: "clear/white" and tome).

Leaving that aside it also looked like "Stephen Hawking Lobotomy." Whatever, just minor dorky amusement on my part.
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plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
April 27 2010 13:44 GMT
#9
On April 27 2010 22:24 EntertainMe wrote:
IMO, if Alien's are that technologically advanced, able to travel billions lightyears within our life spam, they wouldn't need us in the first place. Also, going by his number theory, even if they are looking for a planet to leech off of, I'm sure there are alot more planet(number theory) like us closer to them or even with more resource.
Conclusion, it's interesting, but not worrisome.
Like Southlight said, attentions there only because Stephen Hawking said it.

Yea, humans are obviously the prime resource on our planet, not the planet itself.

I feel Hawkings is just stating the obvious here. You have the obvious example in your fellow man with the raping of new land and decimation of their native inhabitants, so why should you expect any better from some extraplanar species? It'd be naive.
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PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
April 27 2010 13:51 GMT
#10
What if the evil space invaders looking for resources is actually...us??? There also exists the (improbable) statistic that if there are alien races, humans are actually the most technologically advanced.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
April 27 2010 13:53 GMT
#11
On April 27 2010 22:51 PanoRaMa wrote:
What if the evil space invaders looking for resources is actually...us??? There also exists the (improbable) statistic that if there are alien races, humans are actually the most technologically advanced.


Serves other, less developed alien races right for sitting on all those resources, you DO take expands even if your opponent already had a nexus there, don't you?
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
April 27 2010 14:04 GMT
#12
interesting read thanks for posting
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meteorskunk
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada546 Posts
April 27 2010 14:09 GMT
#13
On April 27 2010 22:25 jello_biafra wrote:
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On April 27 2010 22:20 madnessman wrote:
It seems a bit too sci-fi movie like to me. I agree that aliens probably exist due to the galaxy's immense size but they are assuming that aliens will act like how we humans acted in the past.

I think the biggest assumption is that they'd actually be able to reach us. I don't think it's too much to assume that if there is a race of highly intelligent beings out there with technology far superior to ours that they'd probably be malevolent.


Oh really? Why haven't they blown each other up then? Or are they something like planetary outlaws who have already blown planets and committed genocides?
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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
April 27 2010 14:11 GMT
#14
i actually saw the majority of this show and though it is a pretty obvious concept that there is most likely aliens out there somewhere, he did have some pretty interesting theories, but then again, nothing Hollywood hasnt thought of =P
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
April 27 2010 14:19 GMT
#15
I'm more worried that alien bacteria would wipe out life on Earth accidentally.
Its potentially as deadly as an intelligent invader, and much more common.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32153 Posts
April 27 2010 14:21 GMT
#16
what he's saying isn't really so far fetched. Imagine the shitshow that would happen if we did encounter intelligent aliens?? People would go fucking insane
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 27 2010 14:23 GMT
#17
On April 27 2010 22:44 plated.rawr wrote:
I feel Hawkings is just stating the obvious here. You have the obvious example in your fellow man with the raping of new land and decimation of their native inhabitants, so why should you expect any better from some extraplanar species? It'd be naive.

I now think it's obvious, but I hadn't thought about it that way before and I suspect most people don't think about it that way.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 27 2010 14:24 GMT
#18
On April 27 2010 23:21 Hawk wrote:
what he's saying isn't really so far fetched. Imagine the shitshow that would happen if we did encounter intelligent aliens?? People would go fucking insane

Worse, imagine if we encountered aliens that were like ourselves.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32153 Posts
April 27 2010 14:33 GMT
#19
wouldn't necessarily be too bad. This would be bitchin'

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CheeC[h]
Profile Joined August 2009
United States137 Posts
April 27 2010 14:44 GMT
#20
On April 27 2010 23:33 Hawk wrote:
wouldn't necessarily be too bad. This would be bitchin'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhTKuZ5S_oA


indeed.
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