• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:14
CEST 13:14
KST 20:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview11TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview What kind of tool would you be interested in? TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June BW animated web series: seeking contributors FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5330 users

terran vs zerg advantage question

Blogs > bongjwa
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
bongjwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States199 Posts
March 12 2010 05:26 GMT
#1
my friend and i are pretty close in skill in the matchup zvt, i player zerg and am trying to explain to him that at our skill level (D+) he has a huge advantage. i am saying this on several reasons.. and i want to explain before i give them that our matches usually always end up defiler/ling/defiler against tanks/mnm/vessels..

1.) defilers are the hardest unit in the game. -- i am saying this based on consuming, swarming, being fucking slow.
2.) dark swarm. --- as this could be considered for the above i will say that burrowing lurkers, placing dark swarm, getting consume for the next swarm while macro/microing is harder than seiging/unseiging and a attacking with mnm
3.) also, when i think of irradiate i think of puking. seriously on top on macroing/microing, worrying about consume and swarming. I HAVE TO FUCKING split mutas on top of all of this??? seriosuly?? what the hell
4.) i HAVE 5 BASES WHAT THE HELL MAN he can keep up the firepower with two bases while i seriously have 5 for like 3 minutes. . he doesnt need as much gas for as much DPS
5.) no scouting early game... he can see my whole base for a good 4 minutes while i guess and make zerglings

fuck ur tldr

*
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123578 <--- my tournament. sign up!
Cheeseball
Profile Joined February 2009
Australia208 Posts
March 12 2010 05:30 GMT
#2
At low level TvZ/ZvT. I feel like the T normally loses because he walks his mm into lurkers
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
March 12 2010 05:31 GMT
#3
get over with it man,sc2 is just around the corner and this thing wont happen again in future.I was also frustrated with the muta micro thing,i didnt even learn how to muta micro since the day when i start playing competitively.
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
March 12 2010 05:32 GMT
#4
you guys should off race against each other.. I strongly disagree with 1,2,3,4 and 5
hoorah
DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
March 12 2010 05:35 GMT
#5
Dark Swarm and consume and burrow vs...

seige, stim 4 groups, irradiate

Also any decent zerg on 5 bases for 3+ min can win ezpz, just sayin...
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
March 12 2010 05:37 GMT
#6
Why do you want him to think he has a huge advantage? You just want him to feel like shit when he loses?
BW forever || Thall
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
March 12 2010 05:49 GMT
#7
1) Their spells are more than enough to over compensate. And if you are decent at hotkeying they're not even that hard to control.
2) Who the fuck in their right mind complains about dark swarm in ZvT? The spell makes your units invincible against most ranged units.
3) If you mutas number is high enough to deal damage by the time you have consume and swarm, you either are really fucking good with muta micro, in which case splitting won't be a problem to you, or the T is noob.
4) If you have 5 bases for 3 minutes and he has 2 and you can't end the game, the problem ain't the match up. It's you.
Fan of the Jangbanger
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
March 12 2010 05:50 GMT
#8
I actually feel that apart from all the bullshit stuff like 8rax bbs mech and wraith openings, terrans at lower levels are at a disadvantage because of the heavy amount of apm required to macro rines while zergs have a more forgiving macro system thanks to lavae.
Zergs don't have to target anything with lurkers while the terran has to micro and spread marines in order to minimise damage when even a single mistake can be fatal. Mass science vessels can be controled by hiding a deflier in an overlord using plague on all of them while having 1-3 mutas picking them off.
8==========))
NeoOmega
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States495 Posts
March 12 2010 05:50 GMT
#9
On March 12 2010 14:37 Rostam wrote:
Why do you want him to think he has a huge advantage? You just want him to feel like shit when he loses?


I think he is trying to vindicate a losing record he has against his friend.

Simple solution just get better kid. Get you build orders rock solid, learn from your losses, and don't get angry. Experience has taught me that arguing against a kid that just beat you is a losing battle. Plus its feels awesome when you finally start winning.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 12 2010 05:50 GMT
#10
On March 12 2010 14:32 stanley_ wrote:
you guys should off race against each other.. I strongly disagree with 1,2,3,4 and 5


I approve.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-12 05:55:21
March 12 2010 05:53 GMT
#11
So what's the question here? Is ZvT supposed to be hard? Yes, I think it is the hardest matchup personally. If you don't like it then don't play ZvT. I don't know what you're asking here. Do you want to me to list things that make TvZ hard to play to make you feel better? Cause I can do that:

1) Opposite of your #1 and #2. Zergs get to cast abilities that make whatever is under their swarm practically invincible? Madness I say!

2) Plague reduces my whole army's HP to 1! Your billions of zerglings which are incredibly fast and invincible under swarm get to 1 hit kill me now as well???

3) Your imba mutalisks appear to be one unit, but it is actually a single flying ball of death! Zergs with good muta micro make the matchup unfair~(see Jaedong vs Iris on Peaks of Baekdu)

4) Your 400HP cows with 6 armour total just shrug off any amount of marines I have. You don't even need swarm for those fuckers.

5) You can basically see the whole map with your flying supply depots spread everywhere! Did I mention they can also transport units and carry out 2384092348dps crackling drops?

6) Hold lurkers. I need not say more.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
March 12 2010 05:56 GMT
#12
play a PvP game to get an estimate of both of your raw mechanics, maybe he's just better than you?
foxbearcheetah
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States50 Posts
March 12 2010 05:58 GMT
#13
it's definitely harder to defend against muta than to attack with muta. the only problem is to keep macroing while you're muta harrassing
bongjwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States199 Posts
March 12 2010 06:15 GMT
#14
yea well everyone here 1v1 now
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123578 <--- my tournament. sign up!
ShinyGerbil
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada519 Posts
March 12 2010 06:20 GMT
#15
ZvT is easier for zerg at D/D+/C- imo. Just try lurker first openings and run straight into his base once you have 8 lurkers and 20 or so lings, you'll win every time unless he makes 3 (yes, 3) bunkers at his choke. and then you can just contain him, and tech straight to ultras. if you keep your armor ups going you can just skip all the micro intensive units (muta, defiler) and overpower him with macro, since zerg is waaay easier to macro at that level.
[s]savior[/s] jaedong fighting! // member of LighT eSports
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
March 12 2010 06:31 GMT
#16
TBH i find (at my low level ability of ZvT and TvZ), ZvT to be much, much easier.

muta micro is really not very hard in all reality, and at lower levels is generally enough to allow you to get a third and lurkers, and once u get the third up its just about using darkswarm offense/defensively to get a fourth and get ultras out, then at lower levels if u have 4 bases and ultras you've basically won.

Also lower terrans will find it extremely difficult to keep there forces mobile and not let a defiler + lurkers get in their nat (practically losing them the game), this is another advantage.
@NvPinder on twitter | Member of Gamecom Nv | http://www.clan-ta.com | http://www.youtube.com/user/ftrunkz | http://www.twitchtv.com/xghpinder
s_86
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
March 12 2010 07:04 GMT
#17
oh dear...
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
March 12 2010 07:04 GMT
#18
erm, I find that at D+, Zerg is so much easier than terran in ZvT..
like really,

muta micro = lol this is fun, weee pick off stray ANYTHING. Oops forget to macro? np larva so forgiving

lurkers = move then press "u" for rape while you laugh at terran frantically stim/split/focusfire
2 lurkers up ramp = free 3rd base

swarm makes you invincible?
and you basically have infinite swarm?
just cover the entire screen at terran nat with swarm. total invincibility and freedom for the cost of like 12 lings..

then when you get too lazy to macro (i.e. selecting hydras and pressing "L"), put down ultra cavern and 5su6su7su

Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 12 2010 07:08 GMT
#19
On March 12 2010 16:04 s_86 wrote:
oh dear...

Hopefully nothing good will come of this thread.
I mean, i read nothing even about spidermines.
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
Polar_Nada
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1548 Posts
March 12 2010 07:14 GMT
#20
this thread suxx
[ReD]NaDa and fnaticMSI.SEn fighting~! ::POlar @ UC Irvine::
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Group Stage 2, Grp. A
WardiTV272
Ryung 160
Rex68
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #134
ByuN vs ShinoLIVE!
NightMare vs YoungYakov
CranKy Ducklings89
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 160
ProTech84
Rex 68
Codebar 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37857
Calm 7396
Hyuk 754
Zeus 661
Shuttle 439
EffOrt 242
Larva 222
Soma 201
Rush 182
firebathero 132
[ Show more ]
Pusan 117
ggaemo 116
Light 104
Mini 74
hero 63
ToSsGirL 53
Soulkey 51
Liquid`Ret 45
sorry 42
Hyun 35
scan(afreeca) 33
Backho 32
Killer 31
[sc1f]eonzerg 24
Free 24
Noble 20
IntoTheRainbow 18
Hm[arnc] 17
GoRush 16
soO 15
zelot 13
yabsab 13
Shine 12
Barracks 12
Bale 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
SilentControl 10
JulyZerg 10
Sea.KH 7
Dota 2
Gorgc2551
Dendi371
XcaliburYe53
League of Legends
JimRising 371
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2128
shoxiejesuss1306
markeloff110
Other Games
Lowko823
crisheroes257
Happy197
Pyrionflax186
Sick137
Mew2King41
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick583
BasetradeTV219
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP34
• iHatsuTV 9
• Response 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis5712
• Jankos3234
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
12h 46m
Replay Cast
21h 46m
Kung Fu Cup
23h 46m
Maestros of the Game
1d 3h
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 12h
The PondCast
1d 22h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
Replay Cast
2 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
OSC
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.