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Jaime vs. Hermione - Page 2
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fusionsdf
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starfries
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Jaime Lannister The Kingslayer Age: 34 Race: Human Weapons / Artifacts: Sword (Valyrian steel) Special Attack: Insanely hot Hermione Granger Honor Student Age: 17 Race: Human Weapons / Artifacts: Wand (vine and dragon heartstring) Special Attack: Extreme pedantry pretty sure they screwed that up because Hermione's special attack should also be "insanely hot" | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
 i dunno who Jaime is ~ | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On March 12 2010 02:54 Ghardo wrote: taken from the wikipedia article on "Avada Kedavra": "although the caster can be interrupted, the victim can dodge the curse, hide behind solid objects" Does a plate mail / a shield qualify as a solid object? Yes. (unlike school uniforms, wizard robes, etc.) but tbh it's not really the point of this blog to discuss technicalities between different fantasy worlds to the last detail. just wanted to inform some SoIaF fans of a tidbit that might interest them. Yea pretty sure that means solid objects that you aren't wearing (like a rock or wall) because FYI clothes happen to be solid too (as opposed to liquid? gas?) dude theres no chance jaime has a remote chance if they know of the fight before hand. Magical knowledge + adept at casting even most difficult spells for hermione what, fucking sword and some armor for jaime? JUST using magic mentioned in the book, hermione could easily cast prebuff on herself so she 1. Has the body of some ridiculous UFC fighter 2. Is goddamn INVISIBLE 3. can FLY 4. shoot spells that cut, instakill, or just fucking blow holes through solid walls/armor 5. shoot flames (possibly evil) 6. blink strike? 7. physical shielding Thats like an invisible flying ultra with seigetanks on it's back. and can use stalker blink. vs what, a zealot with +1 attack? maybe speed up? | ||
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OrderlyChaos
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L_Master
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The critics have a very good point. Cross-fictional combat doesn't balance well. You have narratives where characters are practically godlike compared to others. I mean, imagine Rand Al'Thor from the Wheel of Time. Guy is pretty damn OP compared to characters from other series (LOTR, Name of the Wind (so far, anyway), etc.) and thats not even getting into him using something like the Chodeal Kal access key. | ||
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Cthulhu Great Old One Age: ?? Race: ?? Weapons / Artifacts: None Special Attack: Drives all who see it to insanity vs Lyra Silvertongue Little girl Age: 12 Race: Human Weapons / Artifacts: Alethiometer Special Attack: Talks a lot The Shrike vs Arthur Dent is pretty funny too: a time travelling robot from the far future made entirely of blades and advanced technology and designed specifically to assassinate humans.. vs one of the most ridiculous plot shields in the universe | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On March 12 2010 06:27 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Yea pretty sure that means solid objects that you aren't wearing (like a rock or wall) because FYI clothes happen to be solid too (as opposed to liquid? gas?) dude theres no chance jaime has a remote chance if they know of the fight before hand. Magical knowledge + adept at casting even most difficult spells for hermione what, fucking sword and some armor for jaime? JUST using magic mentioned in the book, hermione could easily cast prebuff on herself so she 1. Has the body of some ridiculous UFC fighter 2. Is goddamn INVISIBLE 3. can FLY 4. shoot spells that cut, instakill, or just fucking blow holes through solid walls/armor 5. shoot flames (possibly evil) 6. blink strike? 7. physical shielding Thats like an invisible flying ultra with seigetanks on it's back. and can use stalker blink. vs what, a zealot with +1 attack? maybe speed up? i could make up just as many counter arguments, but it's pretty ridiculous tbh who says she is allowed to take any action before the fight starts ("prebuff"), who says they are so far away from each other she can battle rap out 224459458 of her curses before Jaime's shield slams into her rotten face, who says she is even hitting him as of her free will, what makes a fucking difference in "solidness" from objects you are wearing and objects you are not wearing, or do you disagree that STEEL is harder than CLOTH? there are little spaces in cloth "FYI", the density is different, this whole concept of spells in HP is just fairy tale like so arguing with "yeaah, this doesn't apply to objects you are wearing - my pokeman card beats yours" is just insanely ridiculous. | ||
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Augury
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fusionsdf
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On March 12 2010 09:06 Ghardo wrote: i could make up just as many counter arguments, but it's pretty ridiculous tbh who says she is allowed to take any action before the fight starts ("prebuff"), who says they are so far away from each other she can battle rap out 224459458 of her curses before Jaime's shield slams into her rotten face, who says she is even hitting him as of her free will, what makes a fucking difference in "solidness" from objects you are wearing and objects you are not wearing, or do you disagree that STEEL is harder than CLOTH? there are little spaces in cloth "FYI", the density is different, this whole concept of spells in HP is just fairy tale like so arguing with "yeaah, this doesn't apply to objects you are wearing - my pokeman card beats yours" is just insanely ridiculous. ok you've convinced me sword > A FUCKING WIZARD | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
On March 12 2010 09:06 Ghardo wrote: i could make up just as many counter arguments, but it's pretty ridiculous tbh who says she is allowed to take any action before the fight starts ("prebuff"), who says they are so far away from each other she can battle rap out 224459458 of her curses before Jaime's shield slams into her rotten face, who says she is even hitting him as of her free will, what makes a fucking difference in "solidness" from objects you are wearing and objects you are not wearing, or do you disagree that STEEL is harder than CLOTH? there are little spaces in cloth "FYI", the density is different, this whole concept of spells in HP is just fairy tale like so arguing with "yeaah, this doesn't apply to objects you are wearing - my pokeman card beats yours" is just insanely ridiculous. Also, not sure if you read HP but she can only fly with a broom, which she'd probably have to summon to her (takes a long time). She can't be invisible/cast a spell to be or else no point of an invisibility cloak. I haven't heard of a charm that could buff her unless she makes a potion that she made before hand. She wouldn't cast AK and probably wouldn't even know how. | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
Expelliarmus - oh hey, that was a nice sword, too bad. Expelliarmus - oh hey, your shields gone too. Nice stump, btw. At this point she does whatever she wants. Maybe fly and take a shit on his head, I dunno. | ||
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minus_human
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minus_human
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Poll: Which of the two have you read? (Vote): Harry Potter. (Vote): A song of Ice and Fire (Vote): Both. (Vote): None. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On March 12 2010 09:23 Tensai176 wrote: Also, not sure if you read HP but she can only fly with a broom, which she'd probably have to summon to her (takes a long time). She can't be invisible/cast a spell to be or else no point of an invisibility cloak. I haven't heard of a charm that could buff her unless she makes a potion that she made before hand. She wouldn't cast AK and probably wouldn't even know how. I have read harry potter Voldemort/snape are able to fly without a broom, I just make the assumption Hermione would be able to learn in order to prep for the fight. And she could just bring the broomstick with her.. And for the buff part I was referring to polyjuice potion. Invisibility, I was gonna assume she could borrow Harry's but if not, Disillusionment/Muffilato should make her pretty damn hard to hit. Also, Ghardo, she only needs 1 spell. And she can cast silent spells. and the Imperius curse doesn't require motion of the wand beyond pointing it so its down to whether jaime can swing a giant ass piece of metal at her before she can think the word "imperio" in her head. And you're right, its a ridiculous concept, its a ridiculous argument, and its exactly that, amusement due to the ridiculousness of it. Lighten up man (and her face isnt rotten, I think she's cute =/ ) | ||
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koreasilver
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This thread. | ||
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minus_human
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On March 12 2010 10:26 koreasilver wrote: This thread. This thread. Can't help it. It's even better than T-Rex vs. wolf pack! | ||
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Mortality
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
On March 12 2010 10:21 Xenocide_Knight wrote: And you're right, its a ridiculous concept, its a ridiculous argument, and its exactly that, amusement due to the ridiculousness of it. : I've read hp, I have seen the movies and when I think of the battle scene in the ministry of magic, for example, it's not as if the fight would have been over as soon as the death eaters could "think the word "imperio" in their heads". no, it looked like a normal skirmish with people dodging spells, some getting hit, some not and it took a while (that's btw also how it is described in the book). they even fought in close combat here and there (at least as close as you can get with a wand) and everyone knows what happens when ranged fighters are forced into melee, they either say a) hey! I'm a goddamn death eater and I can turn into a flying mop before I'm hit or b) their heads will be chopped off. if fights in hp were consistent, I would agree, Jaime wouldn't stand a chance if the distance at the beginning of the fight was big enough for her to mumble out some of her spells before he's over her and she hits him, only thing is, they are not. even children (who are not yet fully trained and not as ruthless) can bring down death eaters who command the entire set of even forbidden spells and who are the direct subordinates of voldemort (which means they should be pretty powerful). on the other hand, ASoIaF is brutally realistic in chances you have to exploit in a fight and what happens if you "fail" in crucial moments. I won't spoil here, but there are scenes in Martin's books where characters die because they make exactly 1 mistake in a tense fight. so when you consider advantages and disadvantages of a series / fantasy world one should / could take in all the aspects and a big fat disadvantage of Hermione and the HP world would definitely be "romantic view of combat" vs. "brutally honest make 1 mistake and you spoil your guts". that's also what comes out of GM's view of how the cage match would go - Jaime is not some cheesy would be villain who misses kills like the A-Team, no, if HP and ASoIaF fighting standards clash together I would put my money on the "merciless" world instead of the "fairy tale" one. well, initially it should have just been a funny little idea (fantasy cage matches) without going too deep into it. at least that was my intent when creating this thread. one cannot really compare these fantasy worlds "seriously" or it will devolve into a silly discussion with unclear measurements. but what's better than a healthy little nerd discussion now and then  next topic: He-Man vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ! | ||
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