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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 04:34:50
March 04 2010 04:26 GMT
#1
So with the release of the SC2 beta, it feels as if SC2's release is imminent. I have a rather solid computer, so instead of buying a new one (got it in December 2006) I'm just going to upgrade certain specs.

Thing is, I know NOTHING about computers. I went to bestbuy the other day, and they told me there are three things I should be concerned about. Hard drive memory, RAM, and graphics card.

Originally I was looking for an additional internal hard drive (500 GB for $79.99 there). All my questions pretty much went to it, because I only had like 41 GB left on my 250 GB hard drive.

Long story short, the other day I just started deleting random old files in my computer when I found out my "download" folder had like 21 GB in it. So I kept cleaning, found out I had completely forgotten about 71 GB of FRAPs recordings, and ended up cleaning up my hard drive to have 148 GB left, and then proceeded to perform the most useful defrag I've ever done in my life.

So now, with the hard drive not an issue, I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card and my RAM. I have no idea what RAM even actually is (short of standing for Random Access Memory) and how beneficial it will be, and the same being with the graphics card (what any of the specs mean).

I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX graphics card that came with my Dell XPS 700 I won in a gaming tournament. Although I mind blowing graphics card at the time, I feel like it might be outdated, which is what the guy at best buy told me. He also told me it would sell on the market for $20 at most on ebay. But looking online, whenever I type "NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX" the "new" prices are like $300 and the "used" prices are $150, and $150 is the upper cap limit on what I'm looking for on a NEW graphics card. Was this guy trying to scam me into buying a product or?!

The specs for the card are (from Wikipedia)

Performance Specs
Core Clock Speed: 650 MHz
Memory Interface: 256-bits
Memory Bandwidth: 51.2 GB/s memory bandwidth
Fill Rate: 15.6 Billion pixel/s
Vertex/s: 1.4 Billion
Shader Power: 24 pixels per clock
Memory Type: GDDR3

I'll post the memory specs tonight, I'm on my laptop now, but they should be whatever comes standard with the XPS 700... the guy told me to go to Crucial.com and download their scanner. I'll post them within 2 hours.

PS. Willing to drop around $175-180 TOTAL for a graphics card/memory upgrade... if it would benefit me more just to spend all the money on a graphics card or something, I'd sooner do that than upgrade both to shitty specs. I also have a blank spot for memory (two slots, one is full)

ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
March 04 2010 04:40 GMT
#2
your graphics card is really good... it might be outdated, but it is a VERY strong card.

tell us the type of games you play and we will judge whther you need to upgrade graphics or not.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
March 04 2010 05:19 GMT
#3
yeah man, your current video card (and your computer as a whole) is more than enough to run SC2 well!
blabberrrrr
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 06:33:57
March 04 2010 06:21 GMT
#4
Your RAM is totally fine and you do not need to upgrade it.

7900GTX will run sc2 fine, but if you want more eye candy buy a 1GB Radeon 4850. ($115)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131163

Btw don't go to best buy to buy computer hardware or even for advice. It's just a bad place.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 07:17:44
March 04 2010 06:26 GMT
#5
The guy at best buy is right to an extent. While the 7900GTX will be fine for SC2 at mid, it will perform like the ATi HD 4650 (which is a $60 card). While it will perform at the level of the 4650, it undoubtably has a much higher power consumption than our little ATi card which doesn't even need a PCIe 6 pin from the power supply

It should run some modern games fine at mid, though high would be a stretch.

If you have 2GB of DDR2 RAM or more, you shouldn't bother with upgrading your memory. You will see a much bigger increase in performance if you upgrade your graphics card. $160-170 could get you an ATi HD 5770, ATi HD 4870, or at $130, a Nvidia GTS 250. Of those, the HD 4870 is normally the best performance (not in the SC2 beta benchmarks though!), but the 5770 is the only one that supports DX11. The 5770 also has the lowest power consumption.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 04 2010 06:36 GMT
#6
Well my video card can't run Crisis on high solidly (it'll skip every 10-11 seconds). It can run it on medium no problem. I have 2046 MB of RAM. I think it can hold 4 GB total but it says it will only utilize like 3.5 GB or something? According to crucial.com (from what I remember, for some reason the scanner is no longer working on my computer).
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 06:38 GMT
#7
You have a 32 bit OS which will only recognize about 3.5GB of RAM. 2GB of RAM should be more than enough
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
March 04 2010 06:41 GMT
#8
You should checkout Newegg, they have some amazing deals every once in awhile.
I recently upgraded my computer as well and managed to snag a GeForce 9800 GTX+ for $100
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 04 2010 06:55 GMT
#9
So would it be worth it to buy 1 GB of RAM or 1.5 GB of RAM? How much of a performance improvement would I be able to notice? Would it just be programs running faster? I'm guessing graphics wouldn't increase whatsoever though. But I'm more concerned with a faster running computer than running shit on ultra-high.

Can anyone give me a comparison about how much of an increase in graphic power buying a gfx card for ~$125 would get me? The guy at best buy said "an absolutely noticeable increase." But people here are saying that mine is still decent... confused because I would think a good gfx card would be way more than $125.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 07:00 GMT
#10
A $125 graphics card (if one exists) would be a vast improvement over what you have now. 1GB of RAM would contribute however, to an overall faster computer, though I'm not sure by how much.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 04 2010 07:05 GMT
#11
I don't get it... Graphics cards are supposed to be expensive... I have a supposedly good graphics card, yet a $125 graphics card would be a vast improvement? Seems so contradictory to me! So all the sites that are selling my card for ~$150 are full of shit I suppose.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
March 04 2010 07:08 GMT
#12
On March 04 2010 16:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
I don't get it... Graphics cards are supposed to be expensive... I have a supposedly good graphics card, yet a $125 graphics card would be a vast improvement? Seems so contradictory to me! So all the sites that are selling my card for ~$150 are full of shit I suppose.

yes, prices for quality video cards are quite low these days. You really don't need to upgrade anything. Use the money to buy the actual game!
blabberrrrr
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 07:15 GMT
#13
FabledIntegral, yeah those are all bullshit. Your GPU is worth probably $30-40. Your graphics card was top of the line almost 4 years ago. In that time, Nvidia has developed some phenomenal graphics cards and so has ATi. Your graphics card is 'good', but it is outdated.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127478&cm_re=gts_250-_-14-127-478-_-Product

this at $130 would offer a lot better performance
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
March 04 2010 07:30 GMT
#14
On March 04 2010 13:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
So with the release of the SC2 beta, it feels as if SC2's release is imminent. I have a rather solid computer, so instead of buying a new one (got it in December 2006) I'm just going to upgrade certain specs.

Thing is, I know NOTHING about computers. I went to bestbuy the other day, and they told me there are three things I should be concerned about. Hard drive memory, RAM, and graphics card.


My first issue is you went to best buy. Don't do that. They will lie, cheat, and steal to get money out of your pockets. They are the used car salesmen of the consumer electronics industry. I witnessed it all first hand as a member of Geek Squad. Only worked there for a month and I have plenty of stories.


Originally I was looking for an additional internal hard drive (500 GB for $79.99 there). All my questions pretty much went to it, because I only had like 41 GB left on my 250 GB hard drive.

Long story short, the other day I just started deleting random old files in my computer when I found out my "download" folder had like 21 GB in it. So I kept cleaning, found out I had completely forgotten about 71 GB of FRAPs recordings, and ended up cleaning up my hard drive to have 148 GB left, and then proceeded to perform the most useful defrag I've ever done in my life.

So now, with the hard drive not an issue


Good. A new hard drive will serve you well the next time you have some extra money lying around, but you correctly removed it from your list of priorities.


, I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card and my RAM. I have no idea what RAM even actually is (short of standing for Random Access Memory) and how beneficial it will be, and the same being with the graphics card (what any of the specs mean).


RAM is considered to be the single most important and best upgrade you can do for your computer, and also the most cost-efficient. There's a dozen or so companies manufacturing the stuff, so the supply is up, while the demand is... "consistent", for lack of a better word ("low" would be inaccurate)


I have a NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX graphics card that came with my Dell XPS 700 I won in a gaming tournament. Although I mind blowing graphics card at the time, I feel like it might be outdated, which is what the guy at best buy told me. He also told me it would sell on the market for $20 at most on ebay. But looking online, whenever I type "NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX" the "new" prices are like $300 and the "used" prices are $150, and $150 is the upper cap limit on what I'm looking for on a NEW graphics card. Was this guy trying to scam me into buying a product or?!


This card will serve you just fine for Starcraft 2. I would be very surprised if you couldn't run it at max settings in everything except 4v4s, 2v2v2v2s, and some wacky UMS maps. (if you play any of those)


I'll post the memory specs tonight, I'm on my laptop now, but they should be whatever comes standard with the XPS 700... the guy told me to go to Crucial.com and download their scanner. I'll post them within 2 hours.


You say you have 2gb. It would help us to know what generation of memory it is (DDR, DDR2, or DDR3; it's most likely going be DDR2), and what the speed is.


PS. Willing to drop around $175-180 TOTAL for a graphics card/memory upgrade... if it would benefit me more just to spend all the money on a graphics card or something, I'd sooner do that than upgrade both to shitty specs. I also have a blank spot for memory (two slots, one is full)


Considering how good the 7900 GTX is, the fact that you have more than enough space to do a full install of SC2, and the fact that Blizzard products -always- caters to a large consumer base of casual users, I would say spend $60-$100 on some good RAM. You could spend that and probably get 4 gb worth of fresh sticks, and be set until you replace that computer. Keep the other $80-$120 for...well, whatever.

On March 04 2010 15:36 FabledIntegral wrote:
Well my video card can't run Crisis on high solidly (it'll skip every 10-11 seconds). It can run it on medium no problem. I have 2046 MB of RAM. I think it can hold 4 GB total but it says it will only utilize like 3.5 GB or something? According to crucial.com (from what I remember, for some reason the scanner is no longer working on my computer).


Crytek, makers of Far Cry and Crysis, are open and notorious about their games being the pinnacle of consumer graphics technology stress testing. This is kind of the diametric opposite of what Blizzard aims for. People looking to test their brand new $2,000 PC will buy Crytek games and then post their ePeen score online for all the world to envy. As I said: Blizzard games are designed with the biggest consumer in mind. Their biggest consumers are going to be the casual gamers in the USA, who have 2 year old Dells purchased at best buy, and South Koreans, who still use CRT monitors, among many other outdated pieces of hardware for their computers. You will not have a problem running SC2, and I'd bet anyone here that you can run it at max settings without a hitch, barring the above stated situations.

On March 04 2010 15:55 FabledIntegral wrote:
So would it be worth it to buy 1 GB of RAM or 1.5 GB of RAM? How much of a performance improvement would I be able to notice? Would it just be programs running faster? I'm guessing graphics wouldn't increase whatsoever though. But I'm more concerned with a faster running computer than running shit on ultra-high.


Already made my suggestion: buy 4gb


Can anyone give me a comparison about how much of an increase in graphic power buying a gfx card for ~$125 would get me? The guy at best buy said "an absolutely noticeable increase." But people here are saying that mine is still decent... confused because I would think a good gfx card would be way more than $125.


The NVidia GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512 MB is a full 2 generations newer than your current card, for $135 + shipping. If you can't play Crysis at max settings now, you would be able to do with that card. Starcraft 2 would likely not even phase it.

On March 04 2010 16:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
I don't get it... Graphics cards are supposed to be expensive... I have a supposedly good graphics card, yet a $125 graphics card would be a vast improvement? Seems so contradictory to me! So all the sites that are selling my card for ~$150 are full of shit I suppose.


Yes. If someone is trying to sell a 7900 GTX for $150, even if new, they are scamming the shit out of you.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 04 2010 07:31 GMT
#15
GPU stands for graphics card? Yeah I know it was top of the line... in 2006 haha. I'm just surprised a graphics card that's worth $30 could be considered good.

Thanks for the help though. I'll probably end up buying another 1 GB of RAM and look for a new graphics card, including the one you listed... assuming that 1 GB of RAM is relatively cheap.
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
March 04 2010 07:34 GMT
#16
On March 04 2010 16:31 FabledIntegral wrote:
GPU stands for graphics card? Yeah I know it was top of the line... in 2006 haha. I'm just surprised a graphics card that's worth $30 could be considered good.

Thanks for the help though. I'll probably end up buying another 1 GB of RAM and look for a new graphics card, including the one you listed... assuming that 1 GB of RAM is relatively cheap.


GPU standards for Graphics Processing Unit. But yeah, means the same thing: graphics card.
Shitposting
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 07:43 GMT
#17
Why do people still insist on buying older gen products

The 9800 GTX+ was also a good buy and a good card, but at $130 it isn't worth the fucking money. The GTS 250 is the rebrand at around the same price with better power consumption and better performance. Please keep up to date for god's sake, and stop making these terrible recommendations.

RAM is not the best upgrade. If you had any common sense you would realize that 2GB for $50 is not ideal at all. That entire conclusion that RAM is the best price/performance was during the time when RAM was cheap and 4GB of DDR3 would be like $50.

Buying an extra 2 gb of RAM will get you negligible performance in any game, and almost 0 performance from daily applications. Only when you are running many processes at once will you even need more than 2gb of RAM.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
March 04 2010 07:47 GMT
#18
On March 04 2010 16:43 FragKrag wrote:
Why do people still insist on buying older gen products

The 9800 GTX+ was also a good buy and a good card, but at $130 it isn't worth the fucking money. The GTS 250 is the rebrand at around the same price with better power consumption and better performance. Please keep up to date for god's sake, and stop making these terrible recommendations.

RAM is not the best upgrade. If you had any common sense you would realize that 2GB for $50 is not ideal at all. That entire conclusion that RAM is the best price/performance was during the time when RAM was cheap and 4GB of DDR3 would be like $50.

Buying an extra 2 gb of RAM will get you negligible performance in any game, and almost 0 performance from daily applications. Only when you are running many processes at once will you even need more than 2gb of RAM.


I didn't see your post on the GTS 250, which is a better deal than my 9800 GTX+, but yeah... no on the RAM.
Shitposting
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 07:50 GMT
#19
Hey, I'm going to spend $80 on useless RAM sticks that won't increase any of my fucking performance and won't carry over to my next build!

You COULD make an argument if he was running DDR3, but he is spending $80 on RAM that will not improve performance at all. No normal user could even use past 2-3GB.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
March 04 2010 07:58 GMT
#20
It's a matter of finding the bottleneck in your system, and relieving it. This may or may not be the memory, the graphics processor, the cpu, the hard drive, or the motherboard. General statements about the usefulness of speeding up one specific component are rubbish.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 07:59 GMT
#21
Well to be honest if you want the most noticeable boost in performance for everyday tasks, get a SSD. 64GB models can be around 160-180 these days.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
March 04 2010 08:00 GMT
#22
you don't need more RAM. You COULD upgrade your video card, but you don't HAVE to. So why do it?
blabberrrrr
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
March 04 2010 08:01 GMT
#23
I like that. An SSD will work on your next system, partially can fill in for any ram shortage you have, and will boost loading speeds for ... everything. Plus, you can store extra stuff on it.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 08:04:05
March 04 2010 08:02 GMT
#24
So RAM is more so enabling me to multitask than run a single task efficiently? I like the idea of being able to do both well. Btw, although SC2 is a main concern, I still use my computer for other up-to-date games. I'm going to be getting Mass Effect 2, etc. I just used SC2 as an example as I was under the impression it would take a lot to run it seeing as everyone seems to be upgrading their systems.

I just did a scan at some other website different than crucial.com, and it gave me different results!

Thanks both VorcePA and FragKrag for helping me in this topic, and it's interesting hearing two different perspectives. I just downloaded a program called System Information so it should tell you everything...

VorcePA why would I buy "4 GB of fresh sticks?" Don't I already have two functional ones? What's the advantage of replacing them with newer ones? And can't my computer only process 3.5 GB?

Here are the specs...

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


EDIT: What is SSD?
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 08:05:55
March 04 2010 08:05 GMT
#25
tbh in your case the best thing to do is just try playing the games you want to play. See how it performs THEN decide if you really need to upgrade...

SSD = solid state drive.
blabberrrrr
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
March 04 2010 08:07 GMT
#26
4GB is equal to 2^32 bits, and your computer is probably a 32-bit system, meaning that it only has 32 bits in each memory address. This means that anything more than 4GB cannot be assigned a memory address, and therefore cannot be accessed.

Also, Windows reserves half or a full gig (can't remember) of "virtual" address space to deal with I/O with external devices. Then, you can't use more than 3-3.5gb of ram.

Also, having identical sticks of RAM will ensure that they can run on the same clock speed and otherwise display "good" behavior.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 08:09 GMT
#27
That's only your RAM. What about your CPU?

SC2 won't take a lot to run. Your 7900GTX should do fine at medium on any resolution. RAM has no affect on the performance of a single program unless you do not have enough RAM for that single program, and no normal user needs more than 2-3GB. It is not cost efficient to upgrade your RAM because you are using the older DDR2 which is already in the process of being phased out.

If you buy a SSD, you get great performance, and something that will meld easily into a new build along with VERY noticeable performance benefits.

+ Show Spoiler [SSD Performance] +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhYYx9ckR4Y


http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3631&p=20

here you can see the difference between a SSD and a traditional HDD. That velociraptor is currently among the top 2 or top 3 traditional hard drives on the market. It takes it 31 seconds to open all of those programs, but even a relatively low end SSD (the Summit) can open those same programs in just 7 seconds.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
March 04 2010 08:11 GMT
#28
HDD: Hard disk drive; consists of several metal platters spinning around really really fast. A magnetic head moves from the outer rim to near the center of the platters in order to read the bits.

Consider that they move at an upper limit of around 10,000 rpm. This means that the period is around 2ms. We can see that memory access is on the order of milliseconds, or thousanths of a second.

Now, look at solid (purely transistor) memory. It has a response time on the order of nanoseconds, or millionths of a second. Thus, SSDs are much much faster than HDDs. Also, much more expensive.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 08:15:03
March 04 2010 08:12 GMT
#29
On March 04 2010 17:02 FabledIntegral wrote:
So RAM is more so enabling me to multitask than run a single task efficiently? I like the idea of being able to do both well. Btw, although SC2 is a main concern, I still use my computer for other up-to-date games. I'm going to be getting Mass Effect 2, etc. I just used SC2 as an example as I was under the impression it would take a lot to run it seeing as everyone seems to be upgrading their systems.

I just did a scan at some other website different than crucial.com, and it gave me different results!

Thanks both VorcePA and FragKrag for helping me in this topic, and it's interesting hearing two different perspectives. I just downloaded a program called System Information so it should tell you everything...

VorcePA why would I buy "4 GB of fresh sticks?" Don't I already have two functional ones? What's the advantage of replacing them with newer ones? And can't my computer only process 3.5 GB?

Here are the specs...

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


EDIT: What is SSD?


Fresh sticks could be faster and with better technology. You say you have a Dell, and most computer companies will get the cheapest parts they can possibly get and sell it to you at an inflated cost. It's how they make money. Not only that, if you have 4 sticks, all the same company, speed, size, and are designed to work with each other, chances are you'll get better performance out of them.

On March 04 2010 17:05 blabber wrote:
tbh in your case the best thing to do is just try playing the games you want to play. See how it performs THEN decide if you really need to upgrade...

SSD = solid state drive.


Also, QFT. Hell, the only thing prices can do is go down. By the time SC2 gets released, the hardware you're looking to buy could drop anywhere between $5 and $30, and gives you more time to save more money to buy better products (But you also run the small risk of them being discontinued) or to upgrade other items, for instance your CPU/mobo.
Shitposting
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-04 08:17:38
March 04 2010 08:16 GMT
#30
Why the hell would you get 4 sticks for 4gb

just get 2x2GB sticks if you really want phased out-unsupported-soon to be useless memory.

the problem with waiting is that you will wait forever tbh
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 04 2010 08:17 GMT
#31
This SSD... is it a replacement for a hard drive then? If I have room for a second hard drive, could I put an SSD there and keep my existing hard drive with all my data, or would I have to replace it completely?

Now it looks like that's what I want to get... but I still have little info on it. Will watch the youtube vids.

PS. Once again, I'm NOT only worried about SC2, I want a better performance overall.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 08:19 GMT
#32
Yes, if you get the SSD, you keep your HDD, and you can port over the stuff like the Operating System and the most used applications to your SSD. It will complement your HDD, in that you will be accessing your SSD the most and keeping most of your programs like Microsoft Word or Starcraft 2 on it, but keep your movies/images/music on your HDD.

Though what operating system do you have?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
March 04 2010 08:23 GMT
#33
On March 04 2010 17:17 FabledIntegral wrote:
This SSD... is it a replacement for a hard drive then? If I have room for a second hard drive, could I put an SSD there and keep my existing hard drive with all my data, or would I have to replace it completely?

Now it looks like that's what I want to get... but I still have little info on it. Will watch the youtube vids.

PS. Once again, I'm NOT only worried about SC2, I want a better performance overall.


And SSD would be an additional hard drive. You'd keep your current 250 GB and have a SSD. I don't know much about them, except that they're faster and that they degrade over time.

If you're not only worried about SC2, I would recommend either maxing out on memory (3gb) or saving up some more money so you can upgrade everything at once. Get yourself a better mobo/cpu, video card, additional hard drive, a 64-bit operating system, and 6gb of RAM. <--- that last remark will see FragKrag herniating all over this thread, I imagine. I have 12gb of RAM, and while it's overkill, once you have a good dual or quad core processor, extra RAM allows you to multitask without delay. It's awesome.

And good lord, FragKrag, there's no reason to be hostile.
Shitposting
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
March 04 2010 08:31 GMT
#34
On March 04 2010 17:17 FabledIntegral wrote:
This SSD... is it a replacement for a hard drive then? If I have room for a second hard drive, could I put an SSD there and keep my existing hard drive with all my data, or would I have to replace it completely?

Now it looks like that's what I want to get... but I still have little info on it. Will watch the youtube vids.

PS. Once again, I'm NOT only worried about SC2, I want a better performance overall.

well if by "performance" you mean gaming performance, then upgrade your video card, duh!
blabberrrrr
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 04 2010 12:17 GMT
#35
at that price point, you are only looking at a low level SSD which isn't that much better than a velociraptor really + you get the associated pains and problems of a SSD.
Rillanon.au
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
March 04 2010 15:40 GMT
#36
"look at me I prance around with terrible information"
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14896 Posts
March 04 2010 16:47 GMT
#37
On March 04 2010 17:23 VorcePA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2010 17:17 FabledIntegral wrote:
This SSD... is it a replacement for a hard drive then? If I have room for a second hard drive, could I put an SSD there and keep my existing hard drive with all my data, or would I have to replace it completely?

Now it looks like that's what I want to get... but I still have little info on it. Will watch the youtube vids.

PS. Once again, I'm NOT only worried about SC2, I want a better performance overall.


And SSD would be an additional hard drive. You'd keep your current 250 GB and have a SSD. I don't know much about them, except that they're faster and that they degrade over time.

If you're not only worried about SC2, I would recommend either maxing out on memory (3gb) or saving up some more money so you can upgrade everything at once. Get yourself a better mobo/cpu, video card, additional hard drive, a 64-bit operating system, and 6gb of RAM. <--- that last remark will see FragKrag herniating all over this thread, I imagine. I have 12gb of RAM, and while it's overkill, once you have a good dual or quad core processor, extra RAM allows you to multitask without delay. It's awesome.

And good lord, FragKrag, there's no reason to be hostile.


so basically you're telling him to build himself a new computer
that's not really an upgrade at that point
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
March 04 2010 17:57 GMT
#38
About the SSD degradation: Yes, SSD drives do experience degradation. This occurs with a certain probability whenever you WRITE to the drive (no problems at all when reading), but keep in mind the scale. This occurs at such a rate that the expected lifespan of a SSD is still longer than the expected lifespan of a platter HDD.

Obviously, there are some caveats: There have been several models or even lines of SSDs that have had faulty controllers or fab QC problems. Considering that SSDs are a relatively new technology, this is to be expected. However, the current generation SSDs appear to be pretty good in terms of reliability, with further improvements in speed: Intel's latest line, for example, has improved vastly on the write speed (which has traditionally been several times slower than the amazing read speed).

In short, SSDs are not at all unusable, and the main drawback is the relatively poor capacity to cost ratio.

Another possibility for you to consider are the hybrid SSDs. These have both a platter component and a (very) small SSD built into the same unit. These have onboard controllers that decide what data is read very often, and loads it into the SSD, so you can read it very quickly, and have a high capacity to boot.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 04 2010 18:07 GMT
#39
Like people have said, your 7900 should run things fine, but I'd get a newer card, since they are cheap anyways. Tom's hardware has performance benchmarks for everything I believe, so you can go there, or just google for benchmarks. The first step to building a new computer (other than Newegg) is google!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 10 2010 02:12 GMT
#40
Bumping this. I'm going to buy a new gfx card and give my old one to my brother (his isn't strong enough to play SC2, I just downloaded the beta for him and even on low it lags a shitton).

What's the best "bang for your buck" gfx card out there? Strong deal, and *somewhat* economical. I have a job now making around $750 a month after taxes. So I CAN pay like $250 IF it's some godly gfx card + good deal because the card wlil last forever or whatever (although I'm fully aware all cards are outdated fast).

Thanks bundles and undles.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14896 Posts
May 10 2010 02:32 GMT
#41
$250 is the most awkward price range because there isn't much available right there (or really, anything). Either wait a month and save for a 5850 ($300-$310, a little cheaper if you buy from tigerdirect and use bing!) or go down a notch and get a 5770 ($160-$170)

what's your cpu though? make sure you aren't bottle necking yourself there
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 02:40:32
May 10 2010 02:39 GMT
#42
I have a Dell XPS 700. I don't know what bottlenecking is. . Nor do I know what CPU (or whatever that is) that it uses. I don't have access to it right now, I went home for mother's day, whic his the reason I found out my brother's comp can't run SC2 beta.

How can I utilize the tigerdirect or bing! for cheaper prices?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14896 Posts
May 10 2010 04:17 GMT
#43
bottle neck means that one part of your computer is slower than the rest, making further upgrades useless until you upgrade that part

whne you get back to your comp, run the program cpu-z http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php and tell us what your cpu is

also take a look inside and see what your power supply is, need to make sure that it isn't too low to run a new video card

tigerdirect is a website like newegg where you can buy electronics. bing is a service that lets you get cash back after purchasing. http://www.bing.com/cashback/
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-10 04:49:54
May 10 2010 04:49 GMT
#44
On May 10 2010 13:17 KOFgokuon wrote:
bottle neck means that one part of your computer is slower than the rest, making further upgrades useless until you upgrade that part

whne you get back to your comp, run the program cpu-z http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php and tell us what your cpu is

also take a look inside and see what your power supply is, need to make sure that it isn't too low to run a new video card

tigerdirect is a website like newegg where you can buy electronics. bing is a service that lets you get cash back after purchasing. http://www.bing.com/cashback/


Could I find all that info from just typing in dxdiag? But I see. I should make sure my brother's computer isn't bottlenecked either then... right?

Edit: actually I guess it wouldn't matter as long as the card i give him is an improvement

KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14896 Posts
May 10 2010 05:01 GMT
#45
dxdiag won't tell you anything about your power supply, it would probably tell you about your cpu, yes
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 10 2010 05:26 GMT
#46
I find that out from the website you sent, or from literally "looking inside" something I don't know what I'm looking at, haha
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14896 Posts
May 10 2010 16:34 GMT
#47
well if you want to replace your video card you're going to have to open your case up at some point anyways, so might as well start now

take a look at the power supply, see if it has a sticker that says what the voltage is
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 10 2010 17:43 GMT
#48
On May 11 2010 01:34 KOFgokuon wrote:
well if you want to replace your video card you're going to have to open your case up at some point anyways, so might as well start now

take a look at the power supply, see if it has a sticker that says what the voltage is


Got'cha. My case is always open because the power button broke and I have to manually push it in (shitty design flaw in the XPS 700). Also leads to using excessive amounts of canned air to keep it clean...
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14896 Posts
May 10 2010 19:08 GMT
#49
lol, maybe you should just buy a new comp
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
May 10 2010 19:18 GMT
#50
ew dell and their BTX motherboards.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
May 10 2010 20:33 GMT
#51
It was a $2500 computer when I got it... not sure I want to give it up so soon... think upgrading would be better at this point.
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