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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
February 18 2010 21:43 GMT
#21
I don't like the sound effects in the current build. The game feels bleak, from watching a little bit of live stream.
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Rothbardian
Profile Joined January 2010
United States497 Posts
February 18 2010 21:51 GMT
#22
SC1 bias. Nostalgia. There will be people who inherently dislike the game from the onset sub-consciously. That's normal. To those reading, you should play it yourself and make up your own mind about it. We are all different, and all have different subjective values.

Now if you could give concrete suggestions on how to improve that would be useful and constructive. What are your comp specs, and the like.

Anyways, looking forward to new blood, new community, and new challenges. Some people have such high expectations it is impossible to not get let down. I come in with low expectations. It's a half-glass full to half-glass empty outlook.
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Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
February 18 2010 22:01 GMT
#23
This seems like a bit of a misinformed whine post...
it's beta, and it flows just fine for me. the only thing is that they need to make units, at least zerg, more distinguishable. in a ling vs ling fight all I saw was a mash of claws and wings, which while it fits the theme/world nicely, does not do well for gameplay.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 22:04:32
February 18 2010 22:03 GMT
#24
On February 19 2010 06:37 PokePill wrote:
I agree

There is something wrong with this game that is hard to describe, it feels like a downgrade from both War3 and SC:BW in many regards.

Everything just feels like it's sliding, units don't seem responsive enough, mineral saturation seems to be optimal way to quickly.

Low econ gameplay doesn't bother me, but the game doesn't require enough micro for the low econ gameplay to be exciting. It feels like this game is going to basically eventually come down to build orders and timing, with micro and macro being irrelevant and high level matches will come down to luck.

Hard to convey what's wrong with this game in words, but something is definitely wrong / missing.

Hopefully things can still turn around.

My thoughts are based off: 2 games

Oh man it could have been a cool troll but why you had to bold the last sentence ?
Nobody will fall for it
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
SirNeb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States243 Posts
February 18 2010 22:08 GMT
#25
my first impression was very similar to yours. But it had 100% to do with hardware. The quality I had running was too high for my computer, everything felt "chunky" and unresponsive. Frankly speaking, it was a terrible experience. Once I lowered everything and gave it another shot, it was just day and night. And now, after 4 or 5 games where I get used to it more, I like it a lot.
PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
February 18 2010 22:25 GMT
#26
On February 19 2010 07:03 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 06:37 PokePill wrote:
I agree

There is something wrong with this game that is hard to describe, it feels like a downgrade from both War3 and SC:BW in many regards.

Everything just feels like it's sliding, units don't seem responsive enough, mineral saturation seems to be optimal way to quickly.

Low econ gameplay doesn't bother me, but the game doesn't require enough micro for the low econ gameplay to be exciting. It feels like this game is going to basically eventually come down to build orders and timing, with micro and macro being irrelevant and high level matches will come down to luck.

Hard to convey what's wrong with this game in words, but something is definitely wrong / missing.

Hopefully things can still turn around.

My thoughts are based off: 2 games

Oh man it could have been a cool troll but why you had to bold the last sentence ?
Nobody will fall for it


I'm srs though I was just saying I might change my mind after I play more.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 18 2010 22:30 GMT
#27
It is not just the "sc1 bias guys." I have not played yet so I cannot make a personal judgement as absolute, but from watching various streams, such as nony's, some gr noobs, and louders, I'll tell you what is wrong - game looks like it's just going to be all low tiered unit spam like a cnc game =/

build the best unit, and build a lot of it. It is true no one knows wtf they are doing, but so far i'd say the premise of "build the most of the best unit" is gonna be pretty solid for beta.

don't play it like it's SC1, it's not. Play beta to abuse whatever the hell is strongest in the game, play it to make the game look like an utter failure, aka if the most idiotic, boring, tactic is the BEST thing to do, then do it every single game and if there is no counter then there is a problem.

basically copy paste what Nony said, regardless of how good or bad the game seems upon first impressions now, the point of the beta is to give blizzard highly technical feedback on balance as well as bugginess in interface, etc.
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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
February 18 2010 23:06 GMT
#28
hah. Interesting to read from the perspective of playing other games competitively.

The exact same complaint was made when street fighter IV came out after over a decade without a new SF game. "Clunky, sluggish movement" etc etc. Game also made the switch to 3d graphics from 2d, much like sc.

To reiterate what others have said, give it time. Metagames can only appear once you're comfortable enough with the game itself to get there. The funky seeming controls will vanish almost entirely as well.

People really need to stop worrying about balance as well. BW isn't still around thanks to its balance, its still around because its fun. I've seen more at stake in one series of Marvel vs Capcom 2, one of the most broken imbalanced (but fun!) fighters ever, than TSL2's entire prize pool. Balance should be 100% a secondary concern.
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
February 19 2010 00:07 GMT
#29
On February 19 2010 06:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the game is supposed to take skill to play well. you probably have a high expectation for your abilities to play and it makes you think you can be at ease with 1 session of gaming. you should put at least as much time into familiarizing yourself with sc2 as you did with bw before you make comparisons on how good it feels.

also, the very first patch of beta is bound to have some problems. i can already tell that they will have to tweak AI a bit to change the way micro works. and some commands are just buggy. you may have been experiencing some bugs without noticing due to the fast pace of the game

and another thing: if you signed up for beta, you should have done so with the intent of helping to fix whatever problems there are with the game. it seems like a ton of people feel that by getting in the beta they are getting some sneak-peak and want to write a review of the game as if it's anywhere near done. it's really shitty to play the beta and not like it and then publicly denounce it and not do anything to improve the game. utterly useless



CAN WE FRONT PAGE THIS FUCKING POST
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 19 2010 00:31 GMT
#30
You know, if you don't like it you can always send me your account :D My brother's got 9gigs of RAM I'm itching to put to the test, and I can't stand watching noobs on the streams be bad at SC2
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
February 19 2010 00:37 GMT
#31
On February 19 2010 09:31 Chef wrote:
You know, if you don't like it you can always send me your account :D My brother's got 9gigs of RAM I'm itching to put to the test, and I can't stand watching noobs on the streams be bad at SC2

sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
February 19 2010 00:51 GMT
#32
On February 19 2010 09:07 shindigs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 06:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the game is supposed to take skill to play well. you probably have a high expectation for your abilities to play and it makes you think you can be at ease with 1 session of gaming. you should put at least as much time into familiarizing yourself with sc2 as you did with bw before you make comparisons on how good it feels.

also, the very first patch of beta is bound to have some problems. i can already tell that they will have to tweak AI a bit to change the way micro works. and some commands are just buggy. you may have been experiencing some bugs without noticing due to the fast pace of the game

and another thing: if you signed up for beta, you should have done so with the intent of helping to fix whatever problems there are with the game. it seems like a ton of people feel that by getting in the beta they are getting some sneak-peak and want to write a review of the game as if it's anywhere near done. it's really shitty to play the beta and not like it and then publicly denounce it and not do anything to improve the game. utterly useless



CAN WE FRONT PAGE THIS FUCKING POST

I agree. The voice of reason. It's a beta people, not the game itself. People are losing sight of that really fast.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
February 19 2010 01:07 GMT
#33
On February 19 2010 09:51 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 09:07 shindigs wrote:
On February 19 2010 06:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the game is supposed to take skill to play well. you probably have a high expectation for your abilities to play and it makes you think you can be at ease with 1 session of gaming. you should put at least as much time into familiarizing yourself with sc2 as you did with bw before you make comparisons on how good it feels.

also, the very first patch of beta is bound to have some problems. i can already tell that they will have to tweak AI a bit to change the way micro works. and some commands are just buggy. you may have been experiencing some bugs without noticing due to the fast pace of the game

and another thing: if you signed up for beta, you should have done so with the intent of helping to fix whatever problems there are with the game. it seems like a ton of people feel that by getting in the beta they are getting some sneak-peak and want to write a review of the game as if it's anywhere near done. it's really shitty to play the beta and not like it and then publicly denounce it and not do anything to improve the game. utterly useless



CAN WE FRONT PAGE THIS FUCKING POST

I agree. The voice of reason. It's a beta people, not the game itself. People are losing sight of that really fast.


Voice of reason? I can't make a blog about my first impressions of the game? Give me a fucking break. I'm not losing sight of anything, I tried the beta and my first impression was bad, I didn't like the way it played. I never said you shouldn't bother playing, or that I would never play it again, so chill.
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
February 19 2010 01:30 GMT
#34
On February 19 2010 05:41 Salv wrote:
Anyway, for those who didn't get the beta or are unable to play, I wouldn't worry about it, it's not that good IMO.


I'm still worrying about it. Please give me your beta key.
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
February 19 2010 10:07 GMT
#35
the first time I ever got onto bnet on sc1 was after I had played through the campaign. all the units and each race had a feel because I knew where they were in the lore. even now, when i play protoss I feel like a commander, when I play zerg I feel like an evil overlord fellow, and when I play terran i feel like I'm just trying to survive. i still have a real feel for the units, like zealots and stuff. when I look at the maps, I kind of subconsciously imagine them as a battleground in the sc universe. the big theme is that everything in the game is well-grounded in the lore, it's all congruent. like tassadar and fenix came outta the protoss, then raynor and mengsk are kind of foils. the zerg is just...the zerg. except for kerrigan, shes a bitch (but raynor can still get through to her!)

I would not feel that way if I had not played the campaign. Right now, in sc2, I know exactly what you mean. I feel it too off of 8 games. when I see the new units and all the new stuff, its just that..new stuff. theres not that magical element that got me initially addicted to sc until I could appreciate the real game going on. sc2 is just missing the campaign, and its a beta. its like a pair of jeans before you've broken them in. for you i would reccomend just playin the computer and doing the shit you hopefully used to do when you first started playing sc (like i would build a battlecruiser squadron and keep them in formation until it was time for battle. they'd each have a dropship of scvs to repair them and no other units were allowed for offense)

one time, me and a friend were doing team melee pvz vs 3 computer teams. we ended up with 4 pylons, 5 scouts a ht and two archons. we holed up at the top of a ramp that had 2 shield batteries and some cannons and defended our outpost for a good hour against all the zerg attacks. it was like aiur, and even though we lost it was hella fun.

i think you're just forgetting to play, in the truest sense of the word.
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
February 19 2010 11:53 GMT
#36
On February 19 2010 06:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the game is supposed to take skill to play well. you probably have a high expectation for your abilities to play and it makes you think you can be at ease with 1 session of gaming. you should put at least as much time into familiarizing yourself with sc2 as you did with bw before you make comparisons on how good it feels.

also, the very first patch of beta is bound to have some problems. i can already tell that they will have to tweak AI a bit to change the way micro works. and some commands are just buggy. you may have been experiencing some bugs without noticing due to the fast pace of the game

and another thing: if you signed up for beta, you should have done so with the intent of helping to fix whatever problems there are with the game. it seems like a ton of people feel that by getting in the beta they are getting some sneak-peak and want to write a review of the game as if it's anywhere near done. it's really shitty to play the beta and not like it and then publicly denounce it and not do anything to improve the game. utterly useless


Nony. I think I love you. Best post about the beta I've read in so long. Especially the last paragraph.

Anyone who signed up to the beta seriously should of expected to have a massively buggy mess so they can help fix it. Anyone who was expecting a polished game as a beta would be really wrong. To be honest this is probably the best beta I've ever seen bug wise. Blizzard have done a fantastic job and the OP is incredibly lucky to get to play it. bugs or not. Alot of people would kill to have the chance you have OP. Just give the game some time and look for bugs and get them posted to Blizzard so they can fix them. ^_^
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 19 2010 12:30 GMT
#37
oh nony you silly goose stop posting what i would have said minus all the cursing and condescending words
why so 진지해?
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
February 19 2010 12:51 GMT
#38
On February 19 2010 20:53 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 06:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
the game is supposed to take skill to play well. you probably have a high expectation for your abilities to play and it makes you think you can be at ease with 1 session of gaming. you should put at least as much time into familiarizing yourself with sc2 as you did with bw before you make comparisons on how good it feels.

also, the very first patch of beta is bound to have some problems. i can already tell that they will have to tweak AI a bit to change the way micro works. and some commands are just buggy. you may have been experiencing some bugs without noticing due to the fast pace of the game

and another thing: if you signed up for beta, you should have done so with the intent of helping to fix whatever problems there are with the game. it seems like a ton of people feel that by getting in the beta they are getting some sneak-peak and want to write a review of the game as if it's anywhere near done. it's really shitty to play the beta and not like it and then publicly denounce it and not do anything to improve the game. utterly useless


Nony. I think I love you. Best post about the beta I've read in so long. Especially the last paragraph.

Anyone who signed up to the beta seriously should of expected to have a massively buggy mess so they can help fix it. Anyone who was expecting a polished game as a beta would be really wrong. To be honest this is probably the best beta I've ever seen bug wise. Blizzard have done a fantastic job and the OP is incredibly lucky to get to play it. bugs or not. Alot of people would kill to have the chance you have OP. Just give the game some time and look for bugs and get them posted to Blizzard so they can fix them. ^_^


I intend to. With all the threads talking about how much people enjoy it etc, I thought I would post my own views as I wasn't feeling the same way.
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