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I personally find the beta to be quite disappointing. If I had to describe the game to a person in one word it would be stiff. I find placing buildings, moving units, etc to be clunky. Part of what I like about Starcraft is the smooth controls, but you don't get that with SC2. IDK whether it's the switch to 3D or what, but I don't get the same feeling with Warcraft III, so I think it's simply the way the game is. The graphics are nice, crisp and colorful, but I find the gameplay to be overall boring.
It's not that I don't see the strategic element, there definitely is that. The nexus for example has an ability which will speed up the progress of an upgrade or unit being researched or made respectively at a building. Dicking around with that was fun for a bit, my PvZ build involves making zealots and using that ability to mass produce zealots and quickly upgrade the charge ability, sort've like the SC2 version of the +1 zealot rush.
It's hard to place my finger on exactly what the problem is, but after playing for a while I just feel bored and I have to 'force' myself to play, maybe because I just really want to like it. My friend made this exact comment to me before I got to play, and I didn't believe him, I thought he was simply expecting SC1 with 3D graphics, but I can honestly say I agree with his comments 100%. I know others have the entirely opposite opinion, but I think many of those people just want to like the game and are being too forgiving IMO.
Anyway, for those who didn't get the beta or are unable to play, I wouldn't worry about it, it's not that good IMO.
 
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Through which method did you get in?
I think it's too early to say btw... I'm sure you could make a lot of equally significant complaints about the sc beta 12 years ago, so obviously it could still prove to be much better than you expected.
Still I think there's a good chance it won't compare to bw anyway.
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im sure the finished product will be much more of what were all used to than what we're seeing in the beta.
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I wonder if people will remember this blog post in 12 years, when Starcraft 2 is still being incredibly popular despite its choppy graphics and clunky gameplay, because it is the most damn well-balanced game ever made.
Okay I'm assuming here, but I figure most of what Blizzard did during development was balance, balance, balance. I always thought that's what kept SC alive while so many other fun RTSs died.
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On February 19 2010 05:46 micronesia wrote:
Through which method did you get in?
I think it's too early to say btw... I'm sure you could make a lot of equally significant complaints about the sc beta 12 years ago, so obviously it could still prove to be much better than you expected.
Still I think there's a good chance it won't compare to bw anyway.
My friend got in and I played on his account, I felt relieved in a way after playing for a while because I wasn't that interested afterward. Regardless, I have access to the game whenever I wish.
Sure, I'm not condemning the entire game, I am simply saying at this point I don't find myself wanting to play and I only played as much as I did because I wanted to give it a fair shot. These are obviously first impressions, but becoming bored already at this stage isn't a good sign IMO.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying the actual strategy or anything like that is bad, for all I know the game is completely balanced right now, it's that the actual gameplay isn't fun. The game could be perfectly balanced ATM but that wouldn't make me any more inclined to play because I find it clunky and stiff.
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Well..is broodwar all that fun if you don't know what the hell you're doing? Not saying its the same just..throwing that out there.
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It's unfortunate you feel that way man. I hope you can still enjoy it some. It's kind of refreshing to hear some other opinions, and of course I respect yours which is why I worry a bit about the game.
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Give it more then 1 day :S
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On February 19 2010 05:52 Bebop07 wrote:
Well..is broodwar all that fun if you don't know what the hell you're doing? Not saying its the same just..throwing that out there.
Like I said, it has nothing to do with balance or strategy. To illustrate; I still love Starcraft: Brood War and I still play, but if BW played like SC2 does right now, I wouldn't play it anymore. I would still have all the same knowledge, all the same balance would be there, but it would be stiff and clunky.
On February 19 2010 05:57 LordWeird wrote:
It's unfortunate you feel that way man. I hope you can still enjoy it some. It's kind of refreshing to hear some other opinions, and of course I respect yours which is why I worry a bit about the game.
I can take the key off your hands if you want, I know it's not the best option but I think it might do some good.
It is unfortunate, that is why I played more before making this blog, but I have to be real and say I really don't enjoy the game. If it stayed like I would buy it for the campaign and story, but IDK how much online I would play besides with friends just for fun, even bad games are fun to play w/ friends.
I would let you play LW, but it's my friends account and I just happen to be able to have access to it.
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I agree.
I've played the beta today for quite a bit now, and the first impression is 'decent'.
Like it's hard to keep track of what is happening, there seems to be a pretty minimal amount of micromanagement especially because all your units stack up so much.
Like salv said, it is clunky and it is stiff. It's hard to follow in general.
I agree that there's a lot of strategy in it, thats what it feels like anyway. It's just that it's not the same kind of fun as a NEW GAME should be. Every time you get a new game you're excited for the most simple things, no matter what it is. I loved starcraft, I loved a ton of RPG's, I even liked playing warcraft 3. The first impression 'really fun' wasn't even to wc3 level, and im a devoted starcraft player.
It was fun to play for a few games, but after I had played this new game I was as hyped for as I simply COULD be against pubbies, I lost most of my interest. And it's not because I raped/got raped, both happened. That's a feeling the should only happen once you've played a game for a long time. I had barely played 4 games.
It only became really fun once I played a friend of mine and we had a bit of friendly shittalking etc, I actually felt much more compelled to try new strategies and put more effort into it.
like the OP, I can't quite put my finger into what it is with this game, but something about it feels wrong. It's not game balance, it's something with the core of the game I think.
I have hope that it will become better, and I do realize that its only a day after its release. the final product might be very much different.
Right now, however, it's not something that I'm absolutely hyped for anymore. It's something that I'll keep playing and something that I'll find fun etc, but at the moment I'm not shitting my pants.
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Well just don't freak out if you are finding flaws with the game. SC was pretty much the same way even for a while after the game was released. I don't expect SC2 to be completely ready even after initial release. Get a few patches, the other 2 expansions and we will see where it leads to.
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On February 19 2010 05:59 Salv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 05:52 Bebop07 wrote:
Well..is broodwar all that fun if you don't know what the hell you're doing? Not saying its the same just..throwing that out there. Like I said, it has nothing to do with balance or strategy. To illustrate; I still love Starcraft: Brood War and I still play, but if BW played like SC2 does right now, I wouldn't play it anymore. I would still have all the same knowledge, all the same balance would be there, but it would be stiff and clunky. Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 05:57 LordWeird wrote:
It's unfortunate you feel that way man. I hope you can still enjoy it some. It's kind of refreshing to hear some other opinions, and of course I respect yours which is why I worry a bit about the game.
I can take the key off your hands if you want, I know it's not the best option but I think it might do some good. It is unfortunate, that is why I played more before making this blog, but I have to be real and say I really don't enjoy the game. If it stayed like I would buy it for the campaign and story, but IDK how much online I would play besides with friends just for fun, even bad games are fun to play w/ friends. I would let you play LW, but it's my friends account and I just happen to be able to have access to it.
Yeah I read your response earlier. I started typing out the response way early and then I got distracted by a stream and didn't finish until after you said that the first time. 
You always have BW and many many other games
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Remember, there is supposed to be 2 expansions before this game basically equals a "broodwar" status.
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The only disappointing thing about the beta is that I don't have a key -.-
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On February 19 2010 06:09 FortuneSyn wrote:
Remember, there is supposed to be 2 expansions before this game basically equals a "broodwar" status.
Both expantion are only for solo campaign
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Well this is a relief, thank goodness I didn't get into beta.
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original SC vanilla will never be as good as broodwar, maybe it will be the same with starcraft 2, maybe the original SC2 wont be as good as the expansions of SC2, im sure the balancing element and new units will really spice the game up. Just a guess though
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the game is supposed to take skill to play well. you probably have a high expectation for your abilities to play and it makes you think you can be at ease with 1 session of gaming. you should put at least as much time into familiarizing yourself with sc2 as you did with bw before you make comparisons on how good it feels.
also, the very first patch of beta is bound to have some problems. i can already tell that they will have to tweak AI a bit to change the way micro works. and some commands are just buggy. you may have been experiencing some bugs without noticing due to the fast pace of the game
and another thing: if you signed up for beta, you should have done so with the intent of helping to fix whatever problems there are with the game. it seems like a ton of people feel that by getting in the beta they are getting some sneak-peak and want to write a review of the game as if it's anywhere near done. it's really shitty to play the beta and not like it and then publicly denounce it and not do anything to improve the game. utterly useless
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its probably the starcraft 1 mentality in a starcraft 2 environment. obviously its gonna lack some polish. thats where you the beta players come in
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I agree
There is something wrong with this game that is hard to describe, it feels like a downgrade from both War3 and SC:BW in many regards.
Everything just feels like it's sliding, units don't seem responsive enough, mineral saturation seems to be optimal way to quickly.
Low econ gameplay doesn't bother me, but the game doesn't require enough micro for the low econ gameplay to be exciting. It feels like this game is going to basically eventually come down to build orders and timing, with micro and macro being irrelevant and high level matches will come down to luck.
Hard to convey what's wrong with this game in words, but something is definitely wrong / missing.
Hopefully things can still turn around.
My thoughts are based off: 2 games
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