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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 05 2010 21:20 GMT
#1
Who is known as the cheesiest progamer? I'm not talking about someone who was hugely popular in 2002, i'm talking about someone who is popular in 2010. Is it Kwanro with his all ins? Is it someone who persistently 9 pool speeds in zvz? Is it someone who is known as an 8 rax bunker rusher? What person is notorious for having innovative play that ends the game quickly? I remember seeing a marine in a hex trapped between minerals and a barracks on destination... i'm talking about things like that. Give me a few general names of people who are creative/innovative/cheesy/all-in-players, and i'll attempt to create a poll from the pool. Perhaps we can have a poll pool tournament. If people are interested, i'll do it. I'm at least going to do a top 16 with people I decide on if noone is interested. Anyways, throw me some names, please!

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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 05 2010 21:21 GMT
#2
(P)Horang2
(Z)Kwanro
(T)BoxeR
RIP Aaliyah
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
February 05 2010 21:22 GMT
#3
The person who did the marine trap on destination was go.go or hiya, I forget. The cheesiest progamer is probably Horang2 these days. I guess it depends on what you mean by cheesy, but i guess Shine could be up there too, along with kwanro.
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Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
February 05 2010 21:23 GMT
#4
Horang2, gogo and tbh hyvaa
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
February 05 2010 21:26 GMT
#5
Yes, only Koreans can answer this.
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losso
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Bulgaria158 Posts
February 05 2010 21:27 GMT
#6
UpMagiC has always been a very very innovative and fun-to-watch player
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51489 Posts
February 05 2010 21:31 GMT
#7
On February 06 2010 06:26 Chill wrote:
Yes, only Koreans can answer this.


Yep, therefore all opinions are invalid until someone with a Korea (South) country comes in and answers.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8136 Posts
February 05 2010 21:31 GMT
#8
(T)Mind cheeses all the time and no one notices
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
February 05 2010 21:34 GMT
#9
(Z)Kwanro
(P)Horang2

I win.
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 05 2010 21:45 GMT
#10
Yeah, I don't understand why this question is only for Koreans? This site is dedicated to following Korean progaming, in case you didn't notice.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9775 Posts
February 05 2010 21:46 GMT
#11
On February 06 2010 06:34 kOre wrote:
(Z)Kwanro
(P)Horang2

I win.


the korean has spoken.
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Leg[end]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States241 Posts
February 05 2010 21:46 GMT
#12
On February 06 2010 06:34 kOre wrote:
(Z)Kwanro
(P)Horang2

I win.


this calls for a victory lap.
Legends Never Die ;;
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
February 05 2010 21:48 GMT
#13
i'm calling him out

he lives in canada hahahaha
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
February 05 2010 21:50 GMT
#14
On February 06 2010 06:48 LosingID8 wrote:
i'm calling him out

he lives in canada hahahaha

I quote and raise you the title of the topic. "Question for Koreans"

All In. - I was born in Seoul, Korea.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
February 05 2010 21:55 GMT
#15
When do you return to do your military service?
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
February 05 2010 21:57 GMT
#16
On February 06 2010 06:55 Chill wrote:
When do you return to do your military service?

Bought out. Paid either 500 CAD or 5000 CAD, can't remember which (my parents paid it).
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 22:06:59
February 05 2010 22:05 GMT
#17
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.
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Heaven_n
Profile Joined April 2009
Mexico170 Posts
February 05 2010 22:07 GMT
#18
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


LOL! made my day
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
February 05 2010 22:07 GMT
#19
On February 06 2010 06:57 kOre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2010 06:55 Chill wrote:
When do you return to do your military service?

Bought out. Paid either 500 CAD or 5000 CAD, can't remember which (my parents paid it).

whoa i didnt know that was possible
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 05 2010 22:10 GMT
#20
On February 06 2010 06:57 kOre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2010 06:55 Chill wrote:
When do you return to do your military service?

Bought out. Paid either 500 CAD or 5000 CAD, can't remember which (my parents paid it).

I was born in the states and I'm still going. I kinda decided to go on my own, but even if I don't want to go I probably would have went anyway as my entire family lives in Korea and me avoiding the military would be a political liability for my father.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 05 2010 22:12 GMT
#21
i should rephrase it to "question about koreans who play starcraft professionally"... i just didn't want people mentioning any scandinavian terrans who like to triple rax off one base
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
February 05 2010 22:14 GMT
#22
Good thing you qualified your question to eliminate the one non-Korean progamer
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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
February 05 2010 22:17 GMT
#23
LOL idra

Yeah I just found out, parents paid 500 CAD to have it so when I go to Korea I don't get pulled in to military duty. Reason was because we went to Korea to visit family and I was just turning of age and I was still in school over here in Canada.
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 05 2010 22:18 GMT
#24
UpMagic
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
February 05 2010 22:26 GMT
#25
On February 06 2010 06:22 sixghost wrote:
The person who did the marine trap on destination was go.go or hiya, I forget. The cheesiest progamer is probably Horang2 these days. I guess it depends on what you mean by cheesy, but i guess Shine could be up there too, along with kwanro.


Shine is not so cheesy, They only said that cuz he pwnd the shit out of everybody when they all thought he was a noob. He cheese sometimes, but he aint a mass cheeaser.
I pwn noobs
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
February 05 2010 23:17 GMT
#26
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


Thats so awesome =)
Jaedong :3
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
February 06 2010 00:01 GMT
#27
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.

Hah. Noice.

On February 06 2010 07:10 koreasilver wrote:
I was born in the states and I'm still going. I kinda decided to go on my own, but even if I don't want to go I probably would have went anyway as my entire family lives in Korea and me avoiding the military would be a political liability for my father.

Giving up a small chunk of your life is worth it just to avoid "political liability" for your father? Not that I should or am entitled to judge, but I'm curious, what does this liability entail?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-06 00:59:47
February 06 2010 00:37 GMT
#28
My father has been getting more and more involved in politics lately. He's not a politician per-say but he was quite involved during the last South Korean election helping one of the presidential candidates and I can only assume that he will do so for the next election also. He's also one of the senior professors of his university amongst other things. I also have a feeling that I will return to Korea some time in my life, and I know for a fact that my parents will insist on staying in Korea for the rest of their lives and I as their eldest son can't just say "alright, I'm just gonna stay over here and you guys can stay there". I do not intend on living in Korea any time soon even after doing my military service, finishing my education, etc., but doing the mandatory service will make things a bit easier for me in the case I return to Korea.

Two years is really nothing compared to the 10 years of complete freedom I have had in Canada away from my parents. They've been paying for everything as well until 2009 when I was finally able to get a limited work visa so I can work part-time during school. I think the mandatory military service is absolutely unnecessary and accomplishes very little, but I don't want to run away from it when my childhood friends have to go through it as well (I believe one of them joined this year, with the other two planning on joining next year). When I met my childhood friends last summer they told me just not to go to the military if I can, but I dunno.

I'm hoping I can get into KATUSA.

edit: rofl from like 2 minutes of googling it seems like American troops are moving out of South Korea by 2020 or something and the KATUSA is going to disappear with it. Ugh I'm going to ask my dad about it tomorrow.

edit2: I also realized that I never really explained anything about what potential political liability that may occur. Well, lets say that in some bizarre occasion my father actually steps into politics full blow. If it shows that his eldest son (me) dodged the military service (even if legal), it doesn't really look good. South Korea isn't some kind of super militaristic country but they kinda take the mandatory military service seriously. In a more realistic case it would be more to do with my father going further up in his university as the position of dean or something, where the same issue will apply. It's a little ridiculous, yeah, but things are kinda like that.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
February 06 2010 00:41 GMT
#29
On February 06 2010 06:34 kOre wrote:
(Z)Kwanro
(P)Horang2

I win.

You are only two thirds korean
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
February 06 2010 01:03 GMT
#30
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


Let truth be heard.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9775 Posts
February 06 2010 01:31 GMT
#31
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


lol, best story ever.
sadly, i know a few koreans who only know one progamer's name. and his name is lim yo hwan.
boomer hands
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 07 2010 21:31 GMT
#32
On February 06 2010 07:14 Chill wrote:
Good thing you qualified your question to eliminate the one non-Korean progamer



idra is SO NOT CHEESY, though

that's why i didn't feel the need to add that in. I actually had him in mind, and considered rectifying that, but as he's SO MECHANICAL i felt that if someone mentioned him they were joking/an idiot.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 07 2010 21:53 GMT
#33
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
why so 진지해?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
February 07 2010 22:06 GMT
#34

On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


Best story.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 07 2010 22:44 GMT
#35
On February 06 2010 07:05 Warrior Madness wrote:
I'm not Korean but I have a Korean friend. And I asked him, "Who is known as the cheesiest progamer?" He looked at me as if I let out a nasty fart right in front of him. Then and there I knew that he didn't know what I was talking about. So I explained to him what SC was, and how it was his birthright to know about it and that he at the very least should be playing 3v3 on BGH sometimes. He was clearly insulted and said, "What the fuck is your problem? You can't go on stereotyping like that, it's insulting. Not all black people can jump high." I felt a little stupid. Then he said, "lol. Just kidding. Kwanro." True story.


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