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5 reasons I cheer for Tossgirl (and so should you)

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Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:14:06
December 16 2009 12:11 GMT
#1
Hey guys.

Few big things in the works. I know I promised that a month ago, but, unfortunately, life catches you up sometimes when you least expect it; However much you wish it hadn't.

Anyway, finished one final edit style thing already. Hoping you'll all enjoy that when it arrives. Few more coming too. Just waiting on some things before it's published. In the mean time, i'd like to offer the following little article.

One condition here. If I so much as think somebody is about to launch into a discussion of her looks, or, god forbid, talk about how Chinese woman are better looking... you’ll be banned from this blog. Sorry to take that stance, just not interested in either the discussion nor getting this thread closed.

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5 reasons I cheer for Tossgirl (and so should you!)
By Alethios


[image loading]

Personally, I’m a fan of the slightly wistful look

Number 5:

She’s hot. Teamliquid’s underbelly seems divided on this one. I don’t much care. I got the opinion of two former partners, they say she’s alright. Most fans support her for just this reason. Fair enough I suppose.

Number 4:

Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!

Number 3:

Her games can sometimes be quite a pleasure to watch. Sure she doesn’t play at the highest level, but neither does anybody in the TSL (sorry ret, idra; not yet at least).

Number 2:

She’s plucky. Say what you like about her skills, she’s got a lot of guts. Seo Ji Soo gets regularly beaten into the ground, but doesn’t let it phase her. She’s got her goals, she might never achieve them… but she keeps trying, because it’s what she wants to do. You’ve got to respect anybody with that attitude.

Don't believe what you hear - don't believe what you see
If you just close your eyes you can feel the enemy
When I first met you, girl, you had fire in your soul
What happened? your face of melting snow
Now it looks like this

And you can swallow, or you can spit
You can throw it up, or choke on it
And you can dream - so dream out loud
You know that your time is coming round
So don't let the bastards grind you down


Number 1:

Here is the real point I want to make. She has the capability to be a real role model. If she ever truly achieves this, it will be a greater victory than winning an OSL. The implications for starcraft and progaming in general would be immense.

Many sports don’t have women playing at the highest level. Commonly, this is because women aren’t as strong as men, and are thus at a disadvantage. This still leaves some sports that are male dominated, despite having nothing to do with strength (starcraft being a case in point). Sometimes however, the situation is reversed. Netball, a very popular sport in some countries, has no men playing at the highest level.

I’m going to leave aside the invisible hand of sexism, hindering women’s careers in various sports, because it is symptomatic of society as a whole and beyond the scope of this article. With that caveat, why do women often not excel at many sports? We’ve already seen that in some sports women do better than men, so it can’t be that men are simply better. It seems fairly obvious to me that the problem is with role models. When people are young and fail to see role models, they almost invariably chose to do something else. Hence, due to the lack of any female role models in starcraft, and progaming in general, we have far fewer females than males playing.

It stands to reason that the fewer females you have playing, the fewer talented players there will be. If Tossgirl truly succeeded, creating wide interest in starcraft amongst women, we’d have much more talent playing at the top level. I see no reason for women to be inherently worse at starcraft than men so I see no reason why there wouldn’t suddenly be twice as much talent as previously. With so much more talent the level of competition would be skyrocket. The only winners of a better competition? That would be us, the spectators.

Realistically, Tossgirl doesn’t have all that much chance of achieving this colossal goal. I recognise that. I also recognise than even if she does achieve it, she won’t be the one winning an MSL in 2015. At the same time, Nal_rA didn’t have much chance of winning GomTV MSL Season 4, yet we all cheered for him, because it would have been awesome. In the same way, I see nothing greater for starcraft than Tossgirl succeeding.

That’s why you should root for her. If she succeeds, starcraft 2 will be twice the game it would be without her.

Seo Ji Soo fighting!
[image loading]


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Full credit to U2 for singing the song 'Acrobat' about her.


****
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 16 2009 12:15 GMT
#2
right on! we need more men playing netball

jokes
HEY MEYT
ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:16:38
December 16 2009 12:16 GMT
#3
I like this post and fully support it's content. The fact that shes a hotty just adds to the awesomeness.

edit: I would totally play mixed netball, it's fun!
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
December 16 2009 12:21 GMT
#4
#1 - she sucks ?
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 16 2009 12:27 GMT
#5
the last reason (#1) is very good! i totally agree
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:30:36
December 16 2009 12:29 GMT
#6
Nice blog.

She looks so different in each pic o_o. The first one she looks young and cute, the second one she looks like an old woman with hooker face. Shows the power of wearing good clothes, I guess. lol

I haven't really watched many of her games so I'm not really a fan.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 16 2009 12:30 GMT
#7
On December 16 2009 21:21 araav wrote:
#1 - she sucks ?

who cares.she's awesome.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
December 16 2009 12:31 GMT
#8
On December 16 2009 21:29 Snet wrote:
Nice blog.

She looks so different in each pic o_o. The first one she looks young and cute, the second one she looks like an old woman with hooker face. Shows the power of wearing good clothes, I guess. lol

I haven't really watched many of her games so I'm not really a fan.


If you were to try and become a fan on game value then don't, it's a waste of time.
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 16 2009 12:35 GMT
#9
Hah... I don't think anyone else in esports is so much flash and so little bang. I appreciate her talent and her feminine presence in a male dominated world, but regardless of her wiles, she is at heart a rather uninteresting player. I like her for what she represents, but I couldn't really respect her skill level as a player.
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
December 16 2009 12:35 GMT
#10
She is quite a bad player, which you see when you watch any of her televised games. However, this does not mean that she sucks in general because she cannot practice as much as the other guys do. It is the representative function that she has preventing her from ever truly making an impact gaming wise. Sad but true.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Bearigator
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States233 Posts
December 16 2009 12:40 GMT
#11
I don't understand. There are people out there who don't root for Tossgirl? At the very least you would think she would get some support for being the underdog.
Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
December 16 2009 12:43 GMT
#12
I've been playing for 8 months now and thats just about 4 games or less a day. And I have soon reached B-. Give me 5 more months and I will get better then tossgirl.
In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
December 16 2009 12:51 GMT
#13
I would just like to point out that most sports don't have women competing at the highest levels because women are, collectively, less competitively driven than men are.

Studies have suggested that competitive behaviour is linked to high levels of testosterone, that is not to say that a woman couldn't compete at levels equal to or above men if they were equally as aggressive and motivated, hell; just look at professional tennis.
Splashy the Splashback Awareness Ferret
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
December 16 2009 12:52 GMT
#14
Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!


Actually, shouldn't that make you feel like MORE of a nerd? Treating a girl like some sort of rare commodity in the world?
Chains none
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
December 16 2009 13:17 GMT
#15
On December 16 2009 21:52 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!


Actually, shouldn't that make you feel like MORE of a nerd? Treating a girl like some sort of rare commodity in the world?


lol this is a good point. "WOW A GIRL" makes you look like a huge nerd, so having that as a reason to support Tossgirl is quite nerdy in itself
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 13:35:14
December 16 2009 13:20 GMT
#16
I think either many of you are either missing the point... or really like bashing tossgirl. I know she's not a very good player. If I simply looked at unnamed replays of her playing, I doubt i'd think much of her. Whats more, I don't think she personally has the potential to be a top level player. I just want her to inspire other women, so they'll pick up the game. I can't help but feel there must be some woman out there who has the potential to rival Jaedong.

On December 16 2009 21:51 SplashbackFerret wrote:
I would just like to point out that most sports don't have women competing at the highest levels because women are, collectively, less competitively driven than men are.

Studies have suggested that competitive behaviour is linked to high levels of testosterone, that is not to say that a woman couldn't compete at levels equal to or above men if they were equally as aggressive and motivated, hell; just look at professional tennis.

Completely fair point. Obviously there are other factors at play aside from the lack of role models.

On December 16 2009 21:52 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!


Actually, shouldn't that make you feel like MORE of a nerd? Treating a girl like some sort of rare commodity in the world?

Darn. You've shattered my self confidence! :D

Obviously I was joking. It's a shit reason to support her and really... when you think about it, the opposite is true as you've said.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
December 16 2009 13:24 GMT
#17
She isn't pro level gamer so. no cheer from me.
n_n
Gangrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States137 Posts
December 16 2009 13:32 GMT
#18
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 16 2009 13:46 GMT
#19
I'd love to see her in uniform again /fapfapfapfap
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
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Profile Joined December 2009
Belgium8 Posts
December 16 2009 13:48 GMT
#20
Hey everyone, I've visited here a few times but reading this I would make an account. I thought this was great, it even somewhat inspired me...
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