• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:00
CET 20:00
KST 04:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win52025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION2Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest5
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ladder Map Matchup Stats Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Beyond All Reason Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
KPDH "Golden" as Squid Game…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1616 users

5 reasons I cheer for Tossgirl (and so should you)

Blogs > Alethios
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:14:06
December 16 2009 12:11 GMT
#1
Hey guys.

Few big things in the works. I know I promised that a month ago, but, unfortunately, life catches you up sometimes when you least expect it; However much you wish it hadn't.

Anyway, finished one final edit style thing already. Hoping you'll all enjoy that when it arrives. Few more coming too. Just waiting on some things before it's published. In the mean time, i'd like to offer the following little article.

One condition here. If I so much as think somebody is about to launch into a discussion of her looks, or, god forbid, talk about how Chinese woman are better looking... you’ll be banned from this blog. Sorry to take that stance, just not interested in either the discussion nor getting this thread closed.

-------------------------

5 reasons I cheer for Tossgirl (and so should you!)
By Alethios


[image loading]

Personally, I’m a fan of the slightly wistful look

Number 5:

She’s hot. Teamliquid’s underbelly seems divided on this one. I don’t much care. I got the opinion of two former partners, they say she’s alright. Most fans support her for just this reason. Fair enough I suppose.

Number 4:

Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!

Number 3:

Her games can sometimes be quite a pleasure to watch. Sure she doesn’t play at the highest level, but neither does anybody in the TSL (sorry ret, idra; not yet at least).

Number 2:

She’s plucky. Say what you like about her skills, she’s got a lot of guts. Seo Ji Soo gets regularly beaten into the ground, but doesn’t let it phase her. She’s got her goals, she might never achieve them… but she keeps trying, because it’s what she wants to do. You’ve got to respect anybody with that attitude.

Don't believe what you hear - don't believe what you see
If you just close your eyes you can feel the enemy
When I first met you, girl, you had fire in your soul
What happened? your face of melting snow
Now it looks like this

And you can swallow, or you can spit
You can throw it up, or choke on it
And you can dream - so dream out loud
You know that your time is coming round
So don't let the bastards grind you down


Number 1:

Here is the real point I want to make. She has the capability to be a real role model. If she ever truly achieves this, it will be a greater victory than winning an OSL. The implications for starcraft and progaming in general would be immense.

Many sports don’t have women playing at the highest level. Commonly, this is because women aren’t as strong as men, and are thus at a disadvantage. This still leaves some sports that are male dominated, despite having nothing to do with strength (starcraft being a case in point). Sometimes however, the situation is reversed. Netball, a very popular sport in some countries, has no men playing at the highest level.

I’m going to leave aside the invisible hand of sexism, hindering women’s careers in various sports, because it is symptomatic of society as a whole and beyond the scope of this article. With that caveat, why do women often not excel at many sports? We’ve already seen that in some sports women do better than men, so it can’t be that men are simply better. It seems fairly obvious to me that the problem is with role models. When people are young and fail to see role models, they almost invariably chose to do something else. Hence, due to the lack of any female role models in starcraft, and progaming in general, we have far fewer females than males playing.

It stands to reason that the fewer females you have playing, the fewer talented players there will be. If Tossgirl truly succeeded, creating wide interest in starcraft amongst women, we’d have much more talent playing at the top level. I see no reason for women to be inherently worse at starcraft than men so I see no reason why there wouldn’t suddenly be twice as much talent as previously. With so much more talent the level of competition would be skyrocket. The only winners of a better competition? That would be us, the spectators.

Realistically, Tossgirl doesn’t have all that much chance of achieving this colossal goal. I recognise that. I also recognise than even if she does achieve it, she won’t be the one winning an MSL in 2015. At the same time, Nal_rA didn’t have much chance of winning GomTV MSL Season 4, yet we all cheered for him, because it would have been awesome. In the same way, I see nothing greater for starcraft than Tossgirl succeeding.

That’s why you should root for her. If she succeeds, starcraft 2 will be twice the game it would be without her.

Seo Ji Soo fighting!
[image loading]


---------------

Full credit to U2 for singing the song 'Acrobat' about her.


****
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 16 2009 12:15 GMT
#2
right on! we need more men playing netball

jokes
HEY MEYT
ItsPaul
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia177 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:16:38
December 16 2009 12:16 GMT
#3
I like this post and fully support it's content. The fact that shes a hotty just adds to the awesomeness.

edit: I would totally play mixed netball, it's fun!
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
December 16 2009 12:21 GMT
#4
#1 - she sucks ?
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
December 16 2009 12:27 GMT
#5
the last reason (#1) is very good! i totally agree
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:30:36
December 16 2009 12:29 GMT
#6
Nice blog.

She looks so different in each pic o_o. The first one she looks young and cute, the second one she looks like an old woman with hooker face. Shows the power of wearing good clothes, I guess. lol

I haven't really watched many of her games so I'm not really a fan.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
December 16 2009 12:30 GMT
#7
On December 16 2009 21:21 araav wrote:
#1 - she sucks ?

who cares.she's awesome.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
December 16 2009 12:31 GMT
#8
On December 16 2009 21:29 Snet wrote:
Nice blog.

She looks so different in each pic o_o. The first one she looks young and cute, the second one she looks like an old woman with hooker face. Shows the power of wearing good clothes, I guess. lol

I haven't really watched many of her games so I'm not really a fan.


If you were to try and become a fan on game value then don't, it's a waste of time.
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 16 2009 12:35 GMT
#9
Hah... I don't think anyone else in esports is so much flash and so little bang. I appreciate her talent and her feminine presence in a male dominated world, but regardless of her wiles, she is at heart a rather uninteresting player. I like her for what she represents, but I couldn't really respect her skill level as a player.
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
December 16 2009 12:35 GMT
#10
She is quite a bad player, which you see when you watch any of her televised games. However, this does not mean that she sucks in general because she cannot practice as much as the other guys do. It is the representative function that she has preventing her from ever truly making an impact gaming wise. Sad but true.
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Bearigator
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States233 Posts
December 16 2009 12:40 GMT
#11
I don't understand. There are people out there who don't root for Tossgirl? At the very least you would think she would get some support for being the underdog.
Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
December 16 2009 12:43 GMT
#12
I've been playing for 8 months now and thats just about 4 games or less a day. And I have soon reached B-. Give me 5 more months and I will get better then tossgirl.
In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
December 16 2009 12:51 GMT
#13
I would just like to point out that most sports don't have women competing at the highest levels because women are, collectively, less competitively driven than men are.

Studies have suggested that competitive behaviour is linked to high levels of testosterone, that is not to say that a woman couldn't compete at levels equal to or above men if they were equally as aggressive and motivated, hell; just look at professional tennis.
Splashy the Splashback Awareness Ferret
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
December 16 2009 12:52 GMT
#14
Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!


Actually, shouldn't that make you feel like MORE of a nerd? Treating a girl like some sort of rare commodity in the world?
Chains none
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
December 16 2009 13:17 GMT
#15
On December 16 2009 21:52 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!


Actually, shouldn't that make you feel like MORE of a nerd? Treating a girl like some sort of rare commodity in the world?


lol this is a good point. "WOW A GIRL" makes you look like a huge nerd, so having that as a reason to support Tossgirl is quite nerdy in itself
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 13:35:14
December 16 2009 13:20 GMT
#16
I think either many of you are either missing the point... or really like bashing tossgirl. I know she's not a very good player. If I simply looked at unnamed replays of her playing, I doubt i'd think much of her. Whats more, I don't think she personally has the potential to be a top level player. I just want her to inspire other women, so they'll pick up the game. I can't help but feel there must be some woman out there who has the potential to rival Jaedong.

On December 16 2009 21:51 SplashbackFerret wrote:
I would just like to point out that most sports don't have women competing at the highest levels because women are, collectively, less competitively driven than men are.

Studies have suggested that competitive behaviour is linked to high levels of testosterone, that is not to say that a woman couldn't compete at levels equal to or above men if they were equally as aggressive and motivated, hell; just look at professional tennis.

Completely fair point. Obviously there are other factors at play aside from the lack of role models.

On December 16 2009 21:52 LordWeird wrote:
Show nested quote +
Supporting her makes us feel less like nerds. Look! A Woman! See! See!


Actually, shouldn't that make you feel like MORE of a nerd? Treating a girl like some sort of rare commodity in the world?

Darn. You've shattered my self confidence! :D

Obviously I was joking. It's a shit reason to support her and really... when you think about it, the opposite is true as you've said.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6177 Posts
December 16 2009 13:24 GMT
#17
She isn't pro level gamer so. no cheer from me.
n_n
Gangrel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States137 Posts
December 16 2009 13:32 GMT
#18
--- Nuked ---
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 16 2009 13:46 GMT
#19
I'd love to see her in uniform again /fapfapfapfap
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
ilovekellymore
Profile Joined December 2009
Belgium8 Posts
December 16 2009 13:48 GMT
#20
Hey everyone, I've visited here a few times but reading this I would make an account. I thought this was great, it even somewhat inspired me...
pas de chocolat
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
19:00
Open Quali #3
LiquipediaDiscussion
SC4ALL
14:00
SC4All Day 1
LiquipediaDiscussion
SC4ALL
14:00
SC4ALL - Day 1
ComeBackTV 597
RotterdaM591
Artosis392
IndyStarCraft 215
SteadfastSC215
CranKy Ducklings154
LiquipediaDiscussion
Epic.LAN
12:00
Epic.LAN 46 Playoffs Stage
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 591
SteadfastSC 215
IndyStarCraft 215
ProTech94
BRAT_OK 65
MindelVK 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3982
Dewaltoss 103
Rock 34
HiyA 23
Terrorterran 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever478
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor309
Other Games
Grubby3244
Gorgc2426
fl0m1310
Beastyqt822
Artosis392
WinterStarcraft267
Hui .151
QueenE98
Skadoodle88
Trikslyr71
Mew2King52
nookyyy 51
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1592
StarCraft 2
angryscii 19
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 75
• printf 34
• Adnapsc2 12
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki43
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2539
• Ler53
League of Legends
• Nemesis2935
Other Games
• imaqtpie1030
• Shiphtur257
Upcoming Events
BSL Team A[vengers]
19h
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
SC4ALL
20h
SC4ALL
20h
BSL 21
1d
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
IPSL
6 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.