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Horiz0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Sweden364 Posts
November 22 2009 18:55 GMT
#21
Defiantly go there for an extended vacation first (like a couple of months), learn some Korean and don't get discourage by all the ”you only go to Korea because of starcraft” - guys

good luck
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
November 22 2009 19:17 GMT
#22
You should really take a vacation there before you move.
Horangi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Hong Kong226 Posts
November 22 2009 19:21 GMT
#23
On November 23 2009 03:21 Manit0u wrote:
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Download, watch, reconsider.

+ Show Spoiler +

I know that Japan is not Korea, but the basic idea remains the same.


love this movie...
but anyways, live style between korea and germany is a huge difference...
UK on the other hand would suit you more in live style imo ^^
Zanric
Profile Joined July 2007
United States66 Posts
November 22 2009 19:36 GMT
#24
What common barriers would I have to expect? How can I approach them?

Most of the barriers will come from yourself and how you survive in another country. It would help if you make friends easy. Learning basic Korean would help you tons in fitting in. There are a few Army and USAF bases on the Penn. so you will have an opportunity to make a few American friends. Chopstick use and possible Korean etiquette would be helpful knowledge. You could try making a few pen pals who are trying to improve their English. This can earn you a few contacts in good old Skorea.
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-22 20:24:19
November 22 2009 20:23 GMT
#25
Why do people decide to completely uproot for their life for starcraft? Like I understand Idra and Ret wanting to go there to become progamers, but if you think moving to Korea is cool because you've always wanted to ever since your first VOD or whatever, then you've most likely lived a very sheltered life.

I'd say go on vacation there or something, but I'd stick with Germany any day of the week.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 22 2009 20:46 GMT
#26
I don't know why some people are trying to discourage you from moving to a country you've already set your mind to. This thread is about identifying possible barriers and difficulties, not whether or not he should move there.

So, in response to the OP,

Korea is a great place to live for young people (not the best place for seniors, but that's another story) because there's entertainment everywhere. What you'll get less is exercise and sports (less public parks and park space in general, limited access to public sports facilities / overcrowding in public sports facilities) and what you'll get more is entertainment (like kareoke, PC cafe, pool, bars, clubs, etc.).

As you might have guessed, language is the first and foremost barrier you'll encounter and will have to conquer. Learning basic Korean beforehand is definitely recommended; you should probably learn enough to "go through a typical day" (so stuff like "good morning", "where's my breakfast", "could you tell me where the washroom is", "thank you / your welcome / excuse me", "that's very impressive", "my name is ( ), what is yours / nice to meet you", "I am from ( )", "where is a nice place to have ( )", "[the name of the place you live] (so u can tell your taxi driver where to go)", etc.). Anyways, you'll probably learn a lot faster when you're actually there, but you must be able to speak enough before you go there.

Income-wise, I heard that teaching English can get you a very decent income for relatively easy work. Some of my friends (who are university undergrads) have been teaching English as either part-time (while doing a technical co-op placement in Korea) or full-time (for the 4 months of summer), and they've all been satisfied with their language-related jobs. Depending on how lucky you get, you can end up with the TALK program (I think that's the name of it) which is like a formalized system for foreign English teachers to teach in Korea, and/or you can land a few private tutor jobs and teach rich kids and you'll get paid a lot. Taxes, I'm not sure how it works (I only lived in Korea until I was 9) but it's for sure a lot less than CA/US.

Speaking of less taxes, you have to set yourself up for other "necessity of life" things like health care (you need some sort of health care card which makes you pay like 90% less on almost everything hospital wise - or in other words, without it, you'll be paying 9x more). Finding a place to live - that's not a problem I'm willing to comment on because I've never done it myself (farthest I've been away from parents is university residence, lol).

Having a close group of friends is also important. It's probably easier to mingle with visible minorities there (as in non-Koreans) but because of rigorous English education there (as you could have guessed from the high demand for foreign English teachers), many Koreans around your age could be decent at English too and they will be eager to have a native speaker friend. Being open to new friends is good, but do keep your senses keen and look out for possible scams and frauds and thefts and whatnot, being a foreigner makes you more vulnerable to those because you're not used to the culture and the language.

Understanding the Korean culture and the current trends will also be a big part of "fitting in". When I was in elementary school in Korea (wow that's now more than 10 years ago...), we used to make funny jests in crude English whenever we saw a tall (and supposedly American) foreigner. Small stuff like that you'll have to understand that kids are kids...

A few differences I can think off the top of my head (from my personal experience):
1) Multiple spoons going in the same stew/pot = acceptable. Don't act disgusted, because they'll think you are too close-minded about Korean culture (yes the large leap of logic). Nowadays though, I think Koreans know enough about western culture to understand some differences.
2) Holding hands with a member of the opposite sex = big deal, giving a hug with a member of the opposite sex = big deal, putting your arms around a member of the opposite sex (even for taking a picture or something) = big deal. I was so surprised when I first came to Canada because those things were so... liberal here, lol. Actually, again, what I remember is like 10+ years ago stuff, maybe the young generation have caught up with it.

If anything, you've always got TL to ask! I'm sure there are a lot of English-speaking Koreans here and you know you can trust TL on just about everything.
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 22 2009 20:53 GMT
#27
Awesome OpticalShot, thats going to help me a lot!
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-22 21:03:56
November 22 2009 21:02 GMT
#28
Finally a good post, OpticalShot.
To add to your post: Although Koreans can seem xenophobic, temperamental, and rude to foreigners, most of them -- I firmly believe -- are at the core rational, good-willed, passionate, and willing to truly open up to anyone.
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251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
November 22 2009 21:02 GMT
#29
I have been in the application process to teach English in Korea. I have a few friends there doing it and they are having the time of their lives - I frequently talk to them over Skype and am really excited about doing it. Should be happening in mid-February. So really I'm in a similar boat. Having a good group of friends that have been doing it for a while will really help I think. But I'll be watching this blog to see what other people say as well. My friends have not experienced any kind of prejudice or anything while over there. Most everyone they've met has been extremely helpful and friendly.
"If you can chill..........then chill."
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
November 22 2009 23:03 GMT
#30
On November 23 2009 05:23 Masamune wrote:
Why do people decide to completely uproot for their life for starcraft? Like I understand Idra and Ret wanting to go there to become progamers, but if you think moving to Korea is cool because you've always wanted to ever since your first VOD or whatever, then you've most likely lived a very sheltered life.

I'd say go on vacation there or something, but I'd stick with Germany any day of the week.


What do you mean "stick with" Germany any day of the week? There are several aspects of both countries which are VASTLY different and in some areas the quality of living is actually higher in Korea than in Germany.

I think if you like Asian culture and prefer to have things on a smaller scale and much more readily accessible, then moving to Korea from any Western European country would be a good experience.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
keepITup
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
251 Posts
November 22 2009 23:12 GMT
#31
Not knowing a country's language and wanting to live there creates a bit of a huge barrier.

Could you get by? I'm sure people here will tell you that you can. But your going to be missing out on the majority of the culture there if you can't speak their language.
kaizenmx
Profile Joined February 2009
United States110 Posts
November 22 2009 23:37 GMT
#32
Few things you should be ready for korea:

Drunken middle aged men will most likely randomly harass you on busy streets
One of many Asia's dangerous traffic
If you don't speak a lick of korean, people will ignore you most of time
culture shock, culture shock, culture shock.
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
November 22 2009 23:40 GMT
#33
Korea does not have paypal.
You will need a passport + either 1) a place of employment validation or 2) a Korean with Korean ID number to verify you.

As much as being a teacher for your first year might be a good way to settle in (you'll have a Korean teacher to help you out with things, settling in, find an apt, save some money, find a good network of friends via other English teachers...) please don't come to be a teacher if you don't want to teach. We have enough of those idiots. Come if you are willing to adapt to our culture, come if you want to have an experience living AS a Korean, not a German IN Korea.

Having said that - If you are of German citizenship you can't even come teach anyway.

So far, the 5 Germans who have stayed here with me have all LOVED Korean food so I'm gonna generalize and assume that you'll be ok.

Get to know some people first via craigslist or ... I dunno, some teaching websites such as daveseslcafe.com before coming. It's pretty tough when you don't know anyone.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 23 2009 00:10 GMT
#34
Make an effort to learn the language.

You're going to be completely marginalized in Korea as a foreigner. It'll only be worse if you can't speak a word of their language.
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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
November 23 2009 00:23 GMT
#35
If English is your native language and you have a four year university degree, no criminal record and a clean bill of health you can teach English. If not then your choices are rather limited. You could potentially come over here as a student if you fit the requirements. Otherwise you will need a steady enough income to be able to afford to make the trip outside of Korea every three months because you'll be living here on a tourist visa (the times alloted for tourist visas also vary depending upon your country of origin.) and to renew this you *have* to leave the country and come back through immigration to get your passport stamped.

Paypal isn't supported in Korea (most people wire money via their bank accounts to pay for online purchases.) , you cannot get a korean bank account as a foreigner unless you are sponsored by a company employing you in Korea (aka. Teachers are sponsored by their schools.) and if you want a decent sized apartment be prepared to fork over a minimum of 700,000won 'key money' deposit. (Although you can live in a one-room tel like I do without putting down any key money beforehand.)

I don't mean to sound negative or to disuade you from coming, but Korea is pretty strict about visa law (especially over the past few years.) so if you're not eligable to teach you're going to need to have a reliable and steady income if you want to live here for more than a couple of months whilst you're on your first tourist visa.

I don't recommend making the leap straight into living here - as others suggested why not come for a holiday and see if you even like it here first. It's *very* different from Europe (I'm British so trust me when I say this.) and it can provoke love/hate feelings depending upon what you're looking for in an overseas 'home.'
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Pengu1n
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States552 Posts
November 23 2009 01:33 GMT
#36
unless your making a career out of it you really shouldn't decide where you want to live based on starcraft alone
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 23 2009 16:23 GMT
#37
Alright, based on the replies of the people who know their shit, like lilsusie and NeverGG, I'll put moving there a bit further back in my life plans for atleast a year.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Ao_Jun
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Denmark396 Posts
November 23 2009 17:00 GMT
#38
Damn - Lifechanging blog responses! :O

As you've already made up your mind i'll keep it short.

Living/working in a country and being on vacation (Even if it's for an extended period like 6 months) is pretty different. That said - what's the worst that can happen by moving there? you go home x months later and an experience richer.
you are one of the least benigtedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting.
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
November 23 2009 18:32 GMT
#39
hm I think most respones were overly negative

an easy way to find out if living there suits you is to sign up for a language course at any university. it'll be about 900 euro for 3 months. you'll get a student visa and foreigner id that'll qualify you to get a bank account. you go to language school mo-fri 9-13, and in the afternoon you do your internet marketing stuff. you can do that for at least 1.5 years without worrying about your visa, by then you should know if you like it or not.

but you will need some sort of steady income so I guess you should work out your internet marketing career before you make the move.

@riotsnowbird
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
November 23 2009 19:29 GMT
#40
Don't move there because of Starcraft, but if you think Korea seems interesting besides pro-gaming, do it. Those small venues might disappoint you IRL and you can watch VOD:s on your computer. My only concern is that you think Korea = pro-gaming, which of course is wrong.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
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