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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:14 Nytefish wrote:
You're making absurd exaggerations. What makes you think you're constantly playing B+ players? The 300 APM?
It's not a exaggeration at all. There's 2 types of players in korean hours, the smurfs and the non-smufs. The smurfs have a high rank of B, but they can't stand losing so they pick on D/D+ rankers. The non-smurfs are two ranks below what their rank would have been if they played in American hours, mainly because their rank get deflated by smurfing koreans.
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You are 200% right.
Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C-
But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio.
So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C-
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On November 11 2009 02:24 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 02:14 Nytefish wrote:
You're making absurd exaggerations. What makes you think you're constantly playing B+ players? The 300 APM? It's not a exaggeration at all. There's 2 types of players in korean hours, the smurfs and the non-smufs. The smurfs have a high rank of B, but they can't stand losing so they pick on D/D+ rankers. The non-smurfs are two ranks below what their rank would have been if they played in American hours, mainly because their rank get deflated by smurfing koreans.
edit: actually there's no point making an argument from a personal perspective.
I'm just doubting the OP is really playing mostly B+ players. He's probably lumping every korean above D+ together. I could be wrong though and he could be the most unlucky D player in the world but until I see a match list I will stick by my assumptions.
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On November 11 2009 02:26 Boblion wrote:
You are 200% right.
Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C-
But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio.
So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C-
ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating.
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On November 11 2009 02:31 BlasiuS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 02:26 Boblion wrote:
You are 200% right.
Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C-
But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio.
So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C-
ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating.
I feel your pain.
Third game of the season ~ one week after the reset.
Guy went 26-4 then stopped to play.
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/sandarabak.html
Fuck him. I will never know if he is B-/B/B+ level.
btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank.
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Braavos36402 Posts
why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it.
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I don't know what to say other than the feeling is mutual? I'm glad you have created a broad character assessment based off of this frustrated rant. Good to know you're not superficial or shallow.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
lol wtf at all the rage in this thread
You don't have to be B ranks to demolish D/D+ players or to get to C- with a really nice record. For instance, last season, I had 3 accounts get to C- (18-6, 22-8, 21-4) really easily, completely outmacroing most of them by 20-ish supply TvP etc., but got obliterated against all the C- players I faced. I'm doing a lot better against C- players this season (korean or not) so maybe it was a psychological thing.
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mekhami you seem to get frustrated over stupid shit a lot, grow balls.
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Boo fucking hoo, who cares if you lose a few games here and there.
It's a game, relax. If you are still stuck at D level, you better get used to losing against better players often.
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On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it.
I gain nothing by anti-cheesing every game. My goal is macro and strategy and map control, not, "Can I hold off all of this cheese every single game"
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2009 02:34 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 02:31 BlasiuS wrote:On November 11 2009 02:26 Boblion wrote:
You are 200% right.
Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C-
But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio.
So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C-
ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating. I feel your pain. Third game of the season ~ one week after the reset. Guy went 26-4 then stopped to play. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/sandarabak.htmlFuck him. I will never know if he is B-/B/B+ level.
btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank.
i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account
but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account???
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On November 11 2009 02:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
mekhami you seem to get frustrated over stupid shit a lot, grow balls.
I'm curious as to how you know that I'm mekhami... not that I was intentionally keeping it secret but how are you aware of this?
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i think you mentioned it in gretorp's thread
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On November 11 2009 02:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think you mentioned it in gretorp's thread
ah that makes sense.
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The real question is why is there so much cheese on iccup, the question is, why do good players have almost 100% win ratio until B- in the late season even against all the cheese?
What do you consider cheese?
yeah you're gonna lose if you don't drone scout and just go 12 hat on a map where proxy is rather common business. Yeah you're gonna lose if you can't figure out what it might mean if he's not scouting or his scout is late. Yeah you will lose if you don't know what 'cancel hatchery' means.
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Well I play Terran so your points don't mean much to me...
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United States44291 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:49 LuisMl8 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2009 02:34 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 02:31 BlasiuS wrote:On November 11 2009 02:26 Boblion wrote:
You are 200% right.
Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C-
But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio.
So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C-
ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating. I feel your pain. Third game of the season ~ one week after the reset. Guy went 26-4 then stopped to play. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/sandarabak.htmlFuck him. I will never know if he is B-/B/B+ level. btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank. i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account???
Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo.
But yeah, Ahzz hits the nail on the head. Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. There's a difference between playing anti-cheese and just playing a solid build order without unnecessary risks. Of course the first time you lose to them mining out the back on HBR and running lings through that's not your fault. The second time when you'd rather save 40 minerals mining time than check just in case is 100% your fault.
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actually you do gain something
i learned it that way too
basically at D/D+ levels it's mostly beating off cheese.. then at c/c+ it's a lot better
although if you ARE playing B+ players, it really wont help since they'll beat you in every aspect. but you can't be playing all B+ players
just deal with it, it'll get better later on!
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On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it.
I like playing people close to my skill level, whether it's a little bit better, or a little bit worse. It makes the game more enjoyable, and I can learn more that way.
I don't mind playing against someone far above my skill every once in awhile (like 1 in every 7-8 games).
Perhaps you are not of the opinion that playing people near your skill level is the most fun and the best way to learn. But many people, myself included, are of that opinion.
I wasn't raging, but more or less pointing out how common these types of players are. The match against that guy was the first match of the night, at around 2 AM (a time that I know is during korean primetime hours). I was pretty certain I'd get matched against this type of player, but I just wanted to play some games, so I didn't mind. It didn't make it any less frustrating though. Since playing almost exclusively during evening EST hours, I don't run into many smurfs at all, and so I don't meet this type of player hardly at all, making for a very enjoyable and frustration-free experience.
I don't think there's anything wrong with playing players that are far FAR above your skill level from time to time, but from what I've read on various forums (and from personal experience), this tends to happen far more often than it should, especially during korean hours.
On November 11 2009 03:00 KwarK wrote:
Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo.
Disagree completely, I've met far more korean smurfs than foreign smurfs. Foreigners do NOT smurf just as much imo.
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