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On November 11 2009 04:33 Jonoman92 wrote:
I really don't see this as a huge problem. Every time I have to climb the ranks starting at D/D+ ranks 9 out of 10 players are the typical D player and maybe one is clearly of higher rank but starting from the bottom.
I guess the problem is C- players playing at D level and D level players like to call them B+ or something.
It could be korean hours. While most people dont play on them, i myself can only play on korean hours because of my work.
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I don't think I've ever had a smurfing problem... most of the replays I check, my opponents had pretty horrible macro. I'll bet it is the Korean hours.
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On November 11 2009 04:40 Piy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote:While I agree with several people stating that scouting is indication of his skill level to be absolutely awful, I think the OP is right. I understand his rage. As I posted one day, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103802, this is a real problem. It was notoriously worse a few weeks ago, but since i reached C- its not happening to me anymore. To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is. If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it. Being able to play people who actually have a vague idea of what they're doing as opposed to playing random scrubs who are as bad or worse than you is a gooooood thing, and being friendly and talking to people who owned me helped so much a few months ago when I started playing alot. Turns out rage quitting and making sob story blogs doesn't make anyone happier or better at SC  Starcraft really is a hard game, and Iccup isn't a casual way to play it. If you want to play, you'd better put the time in to get at least semi decent and stop whining or just go back to east. That's the logic of everyone who's telling him to go cry more, the same as everyone said in your whiney blog post, and I have to say I agree with them.
I actually agree with your statement on how you can have a positive attitude towards these games if they help you. But man, you gotta learn to walk before you can run. You can't expect someone to get better by telling them to get their asses handed in 7 minutes almost every game. Its should be a learning curve, not a steep line, thats why ICC has this things called ranks in the first place, isnt it?
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On November 11 2009 04:47 Zozma wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a smurfing problem... most of the replays I check, my opponents had pretty horrible macro. I'll bet it is the Korean hours.
It's really not korean hours. That doesn't become a problem until above D+...
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FWIW the purpose of the ladder is to place the players in an order that is very corelated with their skill level. Smurfers avoid just that. Most of the posters who say "why do you mind playing against better players?" probably smurf extensively and enjoy noob bashing. I ask of them to link accounts with 300+ games at the end of the season... not insulting anyone but I kinda have a hunch that they have no such account...
The problem is that some people like to have a chance to win and want good, close games. Getting destroyed every game is depressing and does not help them improve since there is no single reason of any kind that lead to the loss other than clicking the start button.
As for OP's problem there are ways to somewhat avoid getting smurfed. If you have 1800 points and hover just under D+ then you might have a problem avoiding people with 6-0 record but I am afraid everyone has to go through the same shit as you and most do not whine and curse. The title of the thread is not acceptable imo. You got unlucky one day maybe, it is not like you say it is. Not nearly.
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If you dont like it find a server with elo rating instead.
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United States10774 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote:
Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful.
You are an idiot. Stop polluting the blog section with your bullshit and go learn how to play. That's called doing something useful. Your attitude is unbearable and it's ludicrous that you losing to various cheeses because you are terrible equates to Starcraft being bad outside the professional realm. Seriously, nobody cares, I am sorry.
EDIT: You put turrets at your main and natural but died to this lame DT rush? Lol.
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Man I love playing D ranks. I always just literally fuck around. Cannon rush here, sunken rush there, maybe SCV rush the next game.
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avoid korean hours, play at peak american hours (5-8 est)
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i felt the same way you did. I even made a similar blog about it
but all the people telling you you're horrible at starcraft and that you need to stfu and learn how to play are right. if you lose to a cheese, dont get pissed. watch the replay and figure out how not to fuck up next time
change your mindset. people aren't gonna hand you wins, you have to earn them. you're not going to improve or have any fun playing starcraft if you're the way you are right now. i used to rage really bad. i still do, but i take breaks between games to calm down, watch the replay, and maybe practice 1 game vs comp. i just hit my highest iccup rank ever a couple days ago. you're just a few positive habits away from it too
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i dont know where you're finding all these B+ players, i mean im a C+ player at my very best, but usually when i start an iccup run i havent even touched starcraft in a month or two and when i start out at D im barely playing at a c- level until i get a good 20 games in, but even with all that i always cruise through D, i will rarely lose more then a game or two, so i really dont know wtf your talking about.
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On November 11 2009 04:33 Jadyks wrote:
Thanks, Never_Toss.
Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs.
Scout better. When I play at D I get cheesed as often as you do. You see the cheese, you beat the cheese, that is all there is to it. You simply need to know how to play the game. Obviously if you try playing it 20min NR you will lose. If you play a solid game of bw and he tries to do cheesy shit you should be able to handle it easily provided you know how to.
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On November 11 2009 05:14 KwarK wrote:Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs.
yeh, they werent B+. They were above D+ though, as i stated on that blog 
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In the coming weeks I advise you dodge those pesky D rank TSL- smurfs O_O;
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On November 11 2009 05:08 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
i felt the same way you did. I even made a similar blog about it
but all the people telling you you're horrible at starcraft and that you need to stfu and learn how to play are right. if you lose to a cheese, dont get pissed. watch the replay and figure out how not to fuck up next time
change your mindset. people aren't gonna hand you wins, you have to earn them. you're not going to improve or have any fun playing starcraft if you're the way you are right now. i used to rage really bad. i still do, but i take breaks between games to calm down, watch the replay, and maybe practice 1 game vs comp. i just hit my highest iccup rank ever a couple days ago. you're just a few positive habits away from it too
Did you not read the thread? The guy claims that 3/4 of the players he's facing is B+ (hint: they're C-). He has a skewed idea of what this game is about (hint: it's winning). It's fine if he wants to work on his basics but it's ridiculous to try to expect the average iccup user to never cheese. I bet a lot of those cheeses weren't even cheese builds. I can go 8 rax, wall-in and do a non-committed bunker rush while expanding and if Z is terrible, he will lose to it but he probably thinks that I'm some cheesefag who never plays standard.
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sounds like your too much of a whiny bitch to play on iccup.. go play on bnet with all the other noobs..
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I get cheesed maybe 2/10 games, and maybe 4/10 games at D rank. Instead of your mindless rant - you should maybe:
a) post your ICCUP name so we can check if your opponents are really B+ (probably not)
b) post your autorep folder so we can all LOL at how shitty of a player you are when you lose to stuff that's not even halfway cheesy and call it cheese.
c) post your ICCUP name so us C level players can purposefully smurf you and make you post more blog rants
YAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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On November 11 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote:While I agree with several people stating that scouting is indication of his skill level to be absolutely awful, I think the OP is right. I understand his rage. As I posted one day, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103802, this is a real problem. It was notoriously worse a few weeks ago, but since i reached C- its not happening to me anymore. To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is. If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it.
The reason we're giving him shit is because he's posting this blog and sounding like a whining shithead and making blanket assumptions about this game that are baseless and totally untrue. He's taking out his D-rank-newb-nerd-rage on the game itself.
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On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote:
Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful.
Wait he had his probe in your base from early game?
So his entire build hinged on the hope that his probe would go noticed int he opponent's base all the way until dt tech?
You lost to a proxy dt rush when you already turreted up your main and nat?
lol. Please go back to D-
On November 11 2009 04:39 Holgerius wrote:
I personally don't deny that I am bad. In fact, that is the entire point I want to make; I am bad, so let me play vs other bad players until I improve enough to play vs better players. OP did indeed exaggerate a lot, but there ARE really good players who smurf and cheese D players. It has happened to me many times (for instance, I asked one guy who raped me with an inbase proxy if he was really D (because his Zealot micro was kickass), and he answered no and that he had played for 10 years). I can tell the difference between a D player cheesing and a higher level player doing the same thing.
If you're that bad, I highly doubt you can tell the difference between a D+ who practiced his zealot micro and a B who was just fucking around.
I still don't see where all the complaints are coming from. My highest rank was D+ but mostly I play in the D ranks. Cheese is very rare and I've never felt that i played anyone B rank.. Yes I've played korean hours.
I played my korean friend who is C+ rank and I lost 50 (yes fifty) games in a row to him. Cheese, standard, whatever. Did I get a hell of a lot better? yes.
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