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Jadyks
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States119 Posts
November 10 2009 20:44 GMT
#101
Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 20:49:26
November 10 2009 20:48 GMT
#102
On November 11 2009 01:54 Jadyks wrote:
Could this be any more obnoxious? How are new players supposed to feel inspired to play when every single D player, with very few exceptions, are b+ or better korean smurfags with 300 apm who cheese every single game with no exceptions?

This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass.


inspired to play hahahha whatttt

I WILL BE A PROGAMER ONE DAY!!!!! IF ONLY B+ PEOPLE DIDNT BEAT ME ON ICCUP

think how the B+ players are supposed to feel by having to play 50 games before they actually find a challenge
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 10 2009 20:49 GMT
#103
On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote:
Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is.


It is. We're here to put whining little kids in their place. Post your ICCUP nick so all the half-decent players here can smurf you and inspire more fun blogs.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
November 10 2009 20:49 GMT
#104
why don't you just post a rep of one of your games so we can decide if you are as good as you keep telling yourself that you are. this is a reassurance thread isnt it?

btw I am better than every D player on iccup except for the ones that beat me. they are smurfing.
The Show of a Lifetime
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 20:50:11
November 10 2009 20:50 GMT
#105
in before shit storm

wait iam late
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
November 10 2009 20:54 GMT
#106
I actually never had this problem, even though I lose like 70% of my games. Those who beat me are usually pretty bad, just that I'm worse.
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 10 2009 20:59 GMT
#107
Losing to cheese is apart of the game, yes it can be frustrating but you're not getting worse at bw by playing vs it. What a lot of beginners don't understand is that you don't deserve to work on your mid to late game until you can survive early game, the awareness/micro/brains needed to stop cheese are the same skills that carry over to all facets of the game.
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 21:09:19
November 10 2009 21:01 GMT
#108
On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote:
Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is.

When you made the statement to a starcraft community that starcraft "sucks ass," coupled with nonsense about your losses all being caused by factors outside your control, what sort of responses were you expecting?

edit: Actually, the joke's on me. This thread turned out just like you intended.
knightpraetor
Profile Joined October 2008
United States180 Posts
November 10 2009 21:13 GMT
#109
this reminds me of the first time i went on in korean hours; i had started nearing D+ level in skill, yet all of sudden i was stomped all the way back down to 300 points or so. It was kind of depressing; but in reality your skill hasn't changed any. Korean players are just better. My exp wasn't that most of the koreans were B or B+, i would say most of the D koreans are around C-/C at non-korean time.

However, I agree that they all cheese. Just get used to it. Honestly i prefer fighting the cheese. If it's cheese, then i can practice micro, which even someone at D/D+ can get good at. However, if they choose to play a macro game, you will play longer but then just get obliterated. i've taken games off of people way above my level before because they cheesed, and you can too. Just practice your scouting and response.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 10 2009 21:13 GMT
#110
On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote:
Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful.

lol this post just completely shows how bad you are at this game.
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
November 10 2009 21:18 GMT
#111
I just started playing somewhat recently (C- now, but haven't yet played any games AT C- so we'll see how that goes). The other day I lost three games in a row to cheesy stuff like cannons in my base and proxy gates. After every single one, I incorporated a scouting pattern into my build that checks for that. My initial overlord now goes towards the proxy gate spot, and my initial lings go check for other fishy stuff (use drones if his probe went and hid somewhere). It's not that hard, and requires very little sacrifice.

You got proxy gated in your main from a pylon at low ground.... so next game, periodically scout the edges of your base with scvs or go build a turret or two to cover the blind spots. Problem solved, now you can focus on "standard" play like you want to. The other day a protoss player tried to cannon my main. I didn't scout it until the second pylon was warping in (first few cannons just went up to protect the others), so I just threw down a couple sunkens and expanded twice. I played it safe until my economy kicked in and then walked all over him with hydras. Turns out he had ABSOLUTELY ZERO backup plan, and hadn't even really started making a ground army yet. A lot of the people who are resorting to cheese at D/D+ are actually not good at all and only have good winning records because most D/D+ players are very susceptible to these types of "cheese." Work on your scouting and figure out how to counteract their openings and most of them just fall apart.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 10 2009 21:19 GMT
#112
Majority of smurfs I run into are like C or C+, and then they're usually offracing.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
November 10 2009 21:25 GMT
#113
On November 11 2009 05:49 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote:
Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is.


It is. We're here to put whining little kids in their place. Post your ICCUP nick so all the half-decent players here can smurf you and inspire more fun blogs.

http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Bazhi.html
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
November 10 2009 21:26 GMT
#114
Try being 30 minutes behind Seoul in time. I'm forced to play late into the night if i want to play someone other than a korean (and I'm a C player, and can't get up because of how strong alot of koreans are there)
sAviOr...
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 10 2009 21:30 GMT
#115
On November 11 2009 05:14 KwarK wrote:
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On November 11 2009 04:33 Jadyks wrote:
Thanks, Never_Toss.

Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs.

Scout better. When I play at D I get cheesed as often as you do. You see the cheese, you beat the cheese, that is all there is to it. You simply need to know how to play the game. Obviously if you try playing it 20min NR you will lose. If you play a solid game of bw and he tries to do cheesy shit you should be able to handle it easily provided you know how to.

Yeah, when YOU play at D and get cheesed by a D level player, you scout it and beat it. What's your real rank again? Of course you easily handle cheese from players way below your own skill level. You are completely ignoring the point. I mean, I can handle cheese fairly well when it's coming from an opponent on my level, players whose multitasking and micro is as bad as mine is. I'm personally NOT complaining about cheese in itself. Just yesterday I thrashed a D+ (at the time) player who went for a weird all-in lurker drop strategy. But there's difference between a bad player's cheese and the cheese of a high level player. Bisu would most likely rape you if he went for a cheese.

I agree with a lot of what has been said, and OP does indeed seem like an asshole who nerdrages simply because he can't deal with cheese at all. But the thing he's talking about (smurfs who bash newbies with cheese) does happen. And it's annoying as hell. A ladder is supposed to pit people of equal skill against eachother.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
November 10 2009 21:36 GMT
#116
Get off of iccup. You obviously aren't getting enjoyment out of it and this whiny bitch thread ruined your chances of finding help or friends on teamliquid.net. go play counterstrike chobo.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
November 10 2009 21:40 GMT
#117
Something tells me you probably aren't going to last long on these forums. (OP)
U Gotta Skate.
Jadyks
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States119 Posts
November 10 2009 21:42 GMT
#118
Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder.

That's the point of this blog post.

I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 10 2009 21:46 GMT
#119
I like being cheesed/all-inned by a better player because they're taking a huge risk. You may never beat them in a standard game, but when they cheese that actually gives you an opportunity to win.

Also it's usually obvious why you lose when you get cheesed. In a standard macro game it may not be so obvious to you what went wrong.

OP was full of shit as expected, there's nothing else to say.
No I'm never serious.
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
November 10 2009 21:47 GMT
#120
On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote:
Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder.

That's the point of this blog post.

I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point.


With a little bit of ressearch you may find that these EXACT SAME PEOPLE who have been so rude to you have been extremely helpful to other people of your approximate skill level. What do you think the difference might be due to?
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