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B+ Korean cheesefags smurfing the D ranks

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Jadyks
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States119 Posts
November 10 2009 16:54 GMT
#1
Could this be any more obnoxious? How are new players supposed to feel inspired to play when every single D player, with very few exceptions, are b+ or better korean smurfags with 300 apm who cheese every single game with no exceptions?

This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass.

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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
November 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#2
That's when D players start picking on D- players
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5660 Posts
November 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#3
dont play at night. those are korean hours.
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StartAgain
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Japan52 Posts
November 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#4
What the fuck? Deal with it whiny noob.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
November 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#5
this is one of the reasons i stopped playing iccup, too much cheeses, can't test any new strategies like i would want
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 16:57:14
November 10 2009 16:56 GMT
#6
You are playing very different players than I am
Maybe avoid Korean hours?
If you're using a build and it loses to cheese, maybe your build isn't so great. If you want to train a build, do it against a friend.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
November 10 2009 16:56 GMT
#7
Well, this will be fixed in starcraft 2 Until then we're stuck with them I guess.
MakkurtE
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States46 Posts
November 10 2009 16:56 GMT
#8
have you tried not playing iccup during korean peak times? as in it's 2am there now, surely the level of smurf will be dropping off soon...

btw i've had it happen once or twice, but never found it to be the huge problem that many others do. i think generally sucking ass at starcraft is why i find iccup so hard
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Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
November 10 2009 16:57 GMT
#9
Bad streak of luck? Playing during Korean time? in my experience with D/D+ I only ran into 200+ apm players maybe one in ten games. I feel like more people cheese at D+ than at D, and most of them are really D- players who are only D+ because badly executed cheese works pretty well there.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
November 10 2009 17:01 GMT
#10
i luv practicing build order timings vs D ppl.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
November 10 2009 17:06 GMT
#11
On November 11 2009 02:01 LuckyFool wrote:
i luv practicing build order timings vs D ppl.


:D But thats probably dosent work too well because they don't use completely accurate timings (are often late, like me)

Join a clan and practice with them, thats what really helped me at least (until you get booted because you dont have enough time to play consistently).
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
November 10 2009 17:08 GMT
#12
i nerdraged some time ago about the same thing. Mainly cuz i can only play during korean hours. I feel ya man

Whats even more surprising is that C- ranks are easier than D ranks at times LOL, just because smurfs go reset-frenzy into D
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44290 Posts
November 10 2009 17:09 GMT
#13
Have you tried not sucking? If you lose to a new cheese once that's not your fault. If you lose to it again stop blaming the guy winning the games. It's also highly unlikely that it's a B+ you're losing to if you're at D. And there are no shortage of C- players who can't play for shit with 300 apm.

Either get a network of practice partners on a similar level or just welcome the fact that you get to play with better players than you for free. Tbh I envy your ability to train like that. I have to grind up through B to have the privelege of allowing B+ koreans to steal my points at 100 a go. You get them coming to you and only charging 50.
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Jadyks
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States119 Posts
November 10 2009 17:13 GMT
#14
It's incredibly frustrating and not good training at all when literally 3/4 games you play are against someone who's b or better. There's nothing to gain from a 4 minute game where he can outmicro his zealots to your marines when he double proxy gates. There's nothing I can do because so far I haven't developed those skills and it's impossible to gain skill in 4 minute games.

And I'm playing now, 11:15 am here, 2:am korean. And I still play smurfs 75% of my games. (Yes, I look up their records on iCCup and half of them are clearstats fags.)
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 10 2009 17:14 GMT
#15
You're making absurd exaggerations. What makes you think you're constantly playing B+ players? The 300 APM?
No I'm never serious.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 10 2009 17:14 GMT
#16
Yeah, iccup is not the promised land for beginners. Just for advanced players.

SC2 will answer your needs!
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Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
November 10 2009 17:16 GMT
#17
That sucks, I didn't realize playing during korean hours was so different. Almost everyone I play in the evenings here (PST) is probably within a rank of their max.
Jadyks
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States119 Posts
November 10 2009 17:16 GMT
#18
God, but I can't wait for SC2 =D

Also, NonY, just watched your first courage tournament video and I was like rushing with adrenaline! I understand that it's old, right, but man I was like RIGHT THERE WITH YOU it was such a cool feeling to watch that video.
SpriteLove
Profile Joined September 2008
United States226 Posts
November 10 2009 17:18 GMT
#19
On November 11 2009 02:13 Jadyks wrote:
It's incredibly frustrating and not good training at all when literally 3/4 games you play are against someone who's b or better. There's nothing to gain from a 4 minute game where he can outmicro his zealots to your marines when he double proxy gates. There's nothing I can do because so far I haven't developed those skills and it's impossible to gain skill in 4 minute games.

And I'm playing now, 11:15 am here, 2:am korean. And I still play smurfs 75% of my games. (Yes, I look up their records on iCCup and half of them are clearstats fags.)


Link to your match list plz. I have a very hard time believing you are running into that many B+ players
mG.SpriteLove
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
November 10 2009 17:24 GMT
#20
I don't know what to say other than I really don't like you.
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