This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass.
B+ Korean cheesefags smurfing the D ranks
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass. | ||
ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
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mOnion
United States5651 Posts
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StartAgain
Japan52 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
Maybe avoid Korean hours? If you're using a build and it loses to cheese, maybe your build isn't so great. If you want to train a build, do it against a friend. | ||
Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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MakkurtE
United States46 Posts
btw i've had it happen once or twice, but never found it to be the huge problem that many others do. i think generally sucking ass at starcraft is why i find iccup so hard | ||
Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3688 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:01 LuckyFool wrote: i luv practicing build order timings vs D ppl. :D But thats probably dosent work too well because they don't use completely accurate timings (are often late, like me) Join a clan and practice with them, thats what really helped me at least (until you get booted because you dont have enough time to play consistently). | ||
andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
Whats even more surprising is that C- ranks are easier than D ranks at times LOL, just because smurfs go reset-frenzy into D | ||
KwarK
United States40817 Posts
Either get a network of practice partners on a similar level or just welcome the fact that you get to play with better players than you for free. Tbh I envy your ability to train like that. I have to grind up through B to have the privelege of allowing B+ koreans to steal my points at 100 a go. You get them coming to you and only charging 50. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
And I'm playing now, 11:15 am here, 2:am korean. And I still play smurfs 75% of my games. (Yes, I look up their records on iCCup and half of them are clearstats fags.) | ||
Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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NonY
8716 Posts
SC2 will answer your needs! | ||
Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
Also, NonY, just watched your first courage tournament video and I was like rushing with adrenaline! I understand that it's old, right, but man I was like RIGHT THERE WITH YOU it was such a cool feeling to watch that video. | ||
SpriteLove
United States226 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:13 Jadyks wrote: It's incredibly frustrating and not good training at all when literally 3/4 games you play are against someone who's b or better. There's nothing to gain from a 4 minute game where he can outmicro his zealots to your marines when he double proxy gates. There's nothing I can do because so far I haven't developed those skills and it's impossible to gain skill in 4 minute games. And I'm playing now, 11:15 am here, 2:am korean. And I still play smurfs 75% of my games. (Yes, I look up their records on iCCup and half of them are clearstats fags.) Link to your match list plz. I have a very hard time believing you are running into that many B+ players | ||
Chill
Calgary25940 Posts
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:14 Nytefish wrote: You're making absurd exaggerations. What makes you think you're constantly playing B+ players? The 300 APM? It's not a exaggeration at all. There's 2 types of players in korean hours, the smurfs and the non-smufs. The smurfs have a high rank of B, but they can't stand losing so they pick on D/D+ rankers. The non-smurfs are two ranks below what their rank would have been if they played in American hours, mainly because their rank get deflated by smurfing koreans. | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C- But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio. So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C- | ||
Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:24 T.O.P. wrote: It's not a exaggeration at all. There's 2 types of players in korean hours, the smurfs and the non-smufs. The smurfs have a high rank of B, but they can't stand losing so they pick on D/D+ rankers. The non-smurfs are two ranks below what their rank would have been if they played in American hours, mainly because their rank get deflated by smurfing koreans. edit: actually there's no point making an argument from a personal perspective. I'm just doubting the OP is really playing mostly B+ players. He's probably lumping every korean above D+ together. I could be wrong though and he could be the most unlucky D player in the world but until I see a match list I will stick by my assumptions. | ||
BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:26 Boblion wrote: You are 200% right. Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C- But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio. So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C- ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating. | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:31 BlasiuS wrote: ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating. I feel your pain. Third game of the season ~ one week after the reset. Guy went 26-4 then stopped to play. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/sandarabak.html Fuck him. I will never know if he is B-/B/B+ level. btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
You don't have to be B ranks to demolish D/D+ players or to get to C- with a really nice record. For instance, last season, I had 3 accounts get to C- (18-6, 22-8, 21-4) really easily, completely outmacroing most of them by 20-ish supply TvP etc., but got obliterated against all the C- players I faced. I'm doing a lot better against C- players this season (korean or not) so maybe it was a psychological thing. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
It's a game, relax. If you are still stuck at D level, you better get used to losing against better players often. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote: why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it. I gain nothing by anti-cheesing every game. My goal is macro and strategy and map control, not, "Can I hold off all of this cheese every single game" | ||
Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:34 Boblion wrote: I feel your pain. Third game of the season ~ one week after the reset. Guy went 26-4 then stopped to play. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/sandarabak.html Fuck him. I will never know if he is B-/B/B+ level. btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank. i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account??? | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:44 zulu_nation8 wrote: mekhami you seem to get frustrated over stupid shit a lot, grow balls. I'm curious as to how you know that I'm mekhami... not that I was intentionally keeping it secret but how are you aware of this? | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: i think you mentioned it in gretorp's thread ah that makes sense. | ||
Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
What do you consider cheese? yeah you're gonna lose if you don't drone scout and just go 12 hat on a map where proxy is rather common business. Yeah you're gonna lose if you can't figure out what it might mean if he's not scouting or his scout is late. Yeah you will lose if you don't know what 'cancel hatchery' means. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
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KwarK
United States40817 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:49 LuisMl8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 11 2009 02:34 Boblion wrote: I feel your pain. Third game of the season ~ one week after the reset. Guy went 26-4 then stopped to play. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/sandarabak.html Fuck him. I will never know if he is B-/B/B+ level. btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank. i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account??? Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo. But yeah, Ahzz hits the nail on the head. Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. There's a difference between playing anti-cheese and just playing a solid build order without unnecessary risks. Of course the first time you lose to them mining out the back on HBR and running lings through that's not your fault. The second time when you'd rather save 40 minerals mining time than check just in case is 100% your fault. | ||
imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
i learned it that way too basically at D/D+ levels it's mostly beating off cheese.. then at c/c+ it's a lot better although if you ARE playing B+ players, it really wont help since they'll beat you in every aspect. but you can't be playing all B+ players just deal with it, it'll get better later on! | ||
BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote: why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it. I like playing people close to my skill level, whether it's a little bit better, or a little bit worse. It makes the game more enjoyable, and I can learn more that way. I don't mind playing against someone far above my skill every once in awhile (like 1 in every 7-8 games). Perhaps you are not of the opinion that playing people near your skill level is the most fun and the best way to learn. But many people, myself included, are of that opinion. I wasn't raging, but more or less pointing out how common these types of players are. The match against that guy was the first match of the night, at around 2 AM (a time that I know is during korean primetime hours). I was pretty certain I'd get matched against this type of player, but I just wanted to play some games, so I didn't mind. It didn't make it any less frustrating though. Since playing almost exclusively during evening EST hours, I don't run into many smurfs at all, and so I don't meet this type of player hardly at all, making for a very enjoyable and frustration-free experience. I don't think there's anything wrong with playing players that are far FAR above your skill level from time to time, but from what I've read on various forums (and from personal experience), this tends to happen far more often than it should, especially during korean hours. On November 11 2009 03:00 KwarK wrote: Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo. Disagree completely, I've met far more korean smurfs than foreign smurfs. Foreigners do NOT smurf just as much imo. | ||
NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote: why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it. Have you never been new to SC or something? For a complete noob it's extremely demotivational when you go out and get raped hardcore by superior players who goes proxy 9/9 gates 5 games in a row. And it's not so fucking easy to just play ''anti-cheese'' when your opponent is that much better. Notice how Stork went proxy gate/DT drops and shit in most games against foreigners in IEF; it's a good way to beat crap players easy and fast. | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:42 infinity21 wrote: lol wtf at all the rage in this thread You don't have to be B ranks to demolish D/D+ players or to get to C- with a really nice record. For instance, last season, I had 3 accounts get to C- (18-6, 22-8, 21-4) really easily, completely outmacroing most of them by 20-ish supply TvP etc., but got obliterated against all the C- players I faced. I'm doing a lot better against C- players this season (korean or not) so maybe it was a psychological thing. To get 26-4 the first week you must be good. Like most of the wannabe "top foreigners" had losing records or were too scared to get raped silly by kors. lol | ||
WheelOfTime
Canada331 Posts
When I play during Korean LATE night/early morning hours, all the Koreans are sleeping and I rape foreigner C kids ezpz. (10-1 C ranks ezpz) But when I get on during Korean afternoon/early night hours, I get raped right around D+. (1-10 D ranks wtfwtfwtf) WTFUK | ||
Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
And you can estimate what level they are by looking through iccup site previous season data (Most of time they range from C+ to B+ most cheesers I face. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:46 Jadyks wrote: I gain nothing by anti-cheesing every game. My goal is macro and strategy and map control, not, "Can I hold off all of this cheese every single game" if you want to play standard vs standard, then play against friends or join a clan and agree to it beforehand. don't bitch after you get cheesed on iccup Knowing how to react to various types of cheese is crucial if you want to improve as a player. And unlike your standard play, it takes a very short time to learn. Last week, I lost 3 games in a row to in-base proxy gates (TvP) to a teammate practicing for his CSL game. I didn't go "oh wtf PvT imba fml I'm going to quit sc". Instead, I went to a friend and asked him for help practicing against it. After 3-4 games, I learned how many scvs I need to bring to kill the gateway (2 if you scout with your 10th scv as your depot just finishes then add 4 more once gateway finishes and he doesn't cancel. if he builds a 2nd one, bring 1 more scv and kill the 2nd with 7 scvs 1 marine. constantly build scvs and marines while this is happening). Surprise surprise, later that week, I'm playing on iccup and some poor C- Protoss tries to do this against me. I defend it pretty well (lost 2 marines because I got cocky and brought only 5 scvs instead of 6 total allowing 1 zealot to finish by literally 0.2 seconds) and took it to late game, where I outplayed him. Becoming better at SC is not just about standard play. It's about filling the holes in your game that leaves you vulnerable to who you would consider "inferior" players. If you leave holes, then don't complain when people exploit it. | ||
infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:09 Boblion wrote: To get 26-4 the first week you must be good. Like most of the wannabe "top foreigners" had losing records or were too scared to get raped silly by kors. lol I never said I got that in the first week. I was replying to the OP who is assuming ppl are B just because they raped him. I probably got those stats something like 1/2-3/4 through the season | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. Kwark, it seems to me as though you are ignoring one thing; this is about superior players cheesing bad players, not the other way around. On November 11 2009 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you're not playing to get better then don't ladder, if you are playing to get better don't get mad when you get raped by better players. For people who want to work on their "midgame", make sure you type "20min nr kk?" so your opponent knows. The point of a ladder is to have people of equal skill level playing against each other, right? That is not the case when high level players go down and bash on D players. I personally don't get mad when I just get cheesed, it's a part of the game. But when people WAY above my skill level joins my ''D Desti''-games and rape me with cheese, that's fucking frustrating. | ||
FortuneSyn
1825 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:24 Chill wrote: I don't know what to say other than I really don't like you. jesus christ stop being such a douche. | ||
infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:25 Holgerius wrote: Kwark, it seems to me as though you are ignoring one thing; this is about superior players cheesing bad players, not the other way around. Why do D level players get so pissed when better players cheese them? Do you not realize that by trying to finish the game off faster, the superior player is in fact giving you a better chance to win? The friend that taught me how to practice against in-base proxy gate on desti was B high yet he couldn't do anything once I responded correctly. That would give me a big advantage going into mid-game which will improve my chances of winning (it doesn't mean I auto-win because of our skill difference). If he plays perfectly standard, I will probably lose at least 95 out of 100 times. | ||
Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:00 KwarK wrote: btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank. i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account??? Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo. But yeah, Ahzz hits the nail on the head. Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. There's a difference between playing anti-cheese and just playing a solid build order without unnecessary risks. Of course the first time you lose to them mining out the back on HBR and running lings through that's not your fault. The second time when you'd rather save 40 minerals mining time than check just in case is 100% your fault. u are right but what about Zerg players that play SuperCheese?? Zerg opens 9pool speedling and he is good denying ur scout what are u suposed to do? a lot of cannon?? skip stargate and just play Safe? and u realize that he just played Macro after ling speed? u will be behind and when u move out he has a lurker containg :S what to do vs Cheese Zerg? | ||
StorrZerg
United States13906 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you're not playing to get better then don't ladder, if you are playing to get better don't get mad when you get raped by better players. For people who want to work on their "midgame", make sure you type "20min nr kk?" so your opponent knows. lol | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
I don't get where this attitude that everyone is cheesing comes from. | ||
Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I'ma go out on a limb and guess that you are bad. Then I'ma guess that "cheese" means anything aside from 2 gate -> expand 5 hatch hydra/muta or 1 fact FE (for you). That being said: Go die. Yep I made presumptions. Yep they are probably a bit exaggerated. But we ALL play ICCUP. We ALL KNOW that the D ranks are NOT swarmed with B+ Korean smurfs cheesing (rofl). And frankly, for you to determine that SC outside of the pro scene is horrible is so incredibly defeatist/cowardly/terribad.. I dunno what to say to you at this point. | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
Edit: having so many higher ranked players play at D and D+ levels makes the learning curve steeper and the initial experience much less enjoyable for new or casual players. Yes, these are "bad" players - as inc notes above - but they need an entry spot into SC as well. It may well be that iccup is not that place, even at the D levels. Then again, Bnet is not it either: it is infested with people hacking in "fastest possible ever" games. Perhaps nony is right and SC2 will solve this issue... who knows. | ||
spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I personally never faced anywhere near as much cheese and smurfing as you all claim there to be, though. And pretty much all the times I 5 pool, I still get a "gg" or even a "nice rush". Also, I don't see how you "don't learn anything" from being cheesed. It's a great way to practice scouting, timings, game sense, micro and macro without having to skip through 10 minutes of early game. You'll naturally be limited to a select few unit types instead of having to use all the relevant units in midgame. Limiting your practice to a few aspects yields much better results than trying to learn everything at once. | ||
TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On November 11 2009 01:56 Sadistx wrote: Well, this will be fixed in starcraft 2 Until then we're stuck with them I guess. what makes you think everyone here wants to ladder seriously in sc2 and just drop bw? | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
No, sarcasm, you're completely wrong. I've just been cheesed (IE Proxy or 9/9 zealot all-in or DTs with a gate proxy'd in the corner of my base with the pylon on low ground or some other form of bullshit where my opponent clearly has no grasp of standard starcraft other than OKAY LOL I'LL HIT K AND WIN SURE THING) 6 times in a row. 6 times in a row. And this isn't unusual. I'm lucky to get one or two standard games a night, ever. | ||
selboN
United States2523 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:49 Jadyks wrote: You're so right iNcontroL, so right. You're so right how are any of us able to exist in the same realm as you? No, sarcasm, you're completely wrong. I've just been cheesed (IE Proxy or 9/9 zealot all-in or DTs with a gate proxy'd in the corner of my base with the pylon on low ground or some other form of bullshit where my opponent clearly has no grasp of standard starcraft other than OKAY LOL I'LL HIT K AND WIN SURE THING) 6 times in a row. 6 times in a row. And this isn't unusual. I'm lucky to get one or two standard games a night, ever. Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:49 Jadyks wrote: You're so right iNcontroL, so right. You're so right how are any of us able to exist in the same realm as you? No, sarcasm, you're completely wrong. I've just been cheesed (IE Proxy or 9/9 zealot all-in or DTs with a gate proxy'd in the corner of my base with the pylon on low ground or some other form of bullshit where my opponent clearly has no grasp of standard starcraft other than OKAY LOL I'LL HIT K AND WIN SURE THING) 6 times in a row. 6 times in a row. And this isn't unusual. I'm lucky to get one or two standard games a night, ever. idk what kind of of iccup you are on but i haven't encountered B+ koreans smurfing and cheesing me lol 9 of my last 10 games were all standard. maybe you should try getting on iccup everyone else plays on and enjoys. this must be like a new self-esteem booster method for people who are terrible at this game ha | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
As for those who doubt the level of cheese, Terrans just get cheesed a ton at the lower levels, that's simply how it is. When I offrace I get a tiny fraction of the cheese, but when I play Terran it's at least half the games until you reach C or higher (obviously map dependent too). | ||
hooktits
United States972 Posts
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:08 Ver wrote: Your (awful) attitude in this thread and the situation you find yourself in have a very big correlation. As for those who doubt the level of cheese, Terrans just get cheesed a ton at the lower levels, that's simply how it is. When I offrace I get a tiny fraction of the cheese, but when I play Terran it's at least half the games until you reach C or higher (obviously map dependent too). Oh right because I dislike cheese to the point of writing a frustrated rant about it, that means I'mg onna get cheesed every game? I love your (lack of) logic. | ||
Coca Cola Classic
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
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Herro_Korea
310 Posts
I have replays and stuff high apm doesnt means someone is good for christ sake, sure its good to have high apm but spaming it doesnt make someone gosu right ? | ||
Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
gogogogogogogo EDIT: Oh and this guy clearly doesn't mean B players. He probably means everyone thats D+/C- and better than him. Cmon guy's we've all been at the point where we thought everyone that beat us must have been a smurf who's true rank was B. It's such a nice round letter. | ||
andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is. If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it. | ||
Jonoman92
United States9091 Posts
I guess the problem is C- players playing at D level and D level players like to call them B+ or something. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9091 Posts
His overall stats were only slightly winning from the whole season when I checked his icc page. He had obviously reset and scoped out bad records to try and appear gosu, which is really kinda pathetic. The guy I'm talking about. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/WestMinusClan.html I was pioi and I have to say I was pretty happy, I love ruining people's records and he also double manner pylon'd me in PvP t.t | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote: The things people will say... I'ma go out on a limb and guess that you are bad. Then I'ma guess that "cheese" means anything aside from 2 gate -> expand 5 hatch hydra/muta or 1 fact FE (for you). That being said: Go die. Yep I made presumptions. Yep they are probably a bit exaggerated. But we ALL play ICCUP. We ALL KNOW that the D ranks are NOT swarmed with B+ Korean smurfs cheesing (rofl). And frankly, for you to determine that SC outside of the pro scene is horrible is so incredibly defeatist/cowardly/terribad.. I dunno what to say to you at this point. I personally don't deny that I am bad. In fact, that is the entire point I want to make; I am bad, so let me play vs other bad players until I improve enough to play vs better players. OP did indeed exaggerate a lot, but there ARE really good players who smurf and cheese D players. It has happened to me many times (for instance, I asked one guy who raped me with an inbase proxy if he was really D (because his Zealot micro was kickass), and he answered no and that he had played for 10 years). I can tell the difference between a D player cheesing and a higher level player doing the same thing. On November 11 2009 03:33 infinity21 wrote: Why do D level players get so pissed when better players cheese them? Do you not realize that by trying to finish the game off faster, the superior player is in fact giving you a better chance to win? The friend that taught me how to practice against in-base proxy gate on desti was B high yet he couldn't do anything once I responded correctly. That would give me a big advantage going into mid-game which will improve my chances of winning (it doesn't mean I auto-win because of our skill difference). If he plays perfectly standard, I will probably lose at least 95 out of 100 times. I don't want to play vs WAY superior players at all. Not cheese games, not straight up games; not at all. As I said earlier; I'm not complaining about cheese in itself, I'm fine with cheese (I do it myself sometimes). It's the combination of smurfing and cheesing that gets to me. There is a difference between a friend teaching you in a nice and enjoyable way how to deal with something and random douchebags who smurf and bash newbies. And it's not easy to hold off cheese by superior players when you're a newbie. Watch Bisu when he rapes Perfectman and Snow recently by cheesing, then take the skillgap between them and multiply it by 10 and you have the skillgap between me and some of the players I've lost to in frustrating ways. | ||
Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote: While I agree with several people stating that scouting is indication of his skill level to be absolutely awful, I think the OP is right. I understand his rage. As I posted one day, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103802, this is a real problem. It was notoriously worse a few weeks ago, but since i reached C- its not happening to me anymore. To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is. If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it. Being able to play people who actually have a vague idea of what they're doing as opposed to playing random scrubs who are as bad or worse than you is a gooooood thing, and being friendly and talking to people who owned me helped so much a few months ago when I started playing alot. Turns out rage quitting and making sob story blogs doesn't make anyone happier or better at SC Starcraft really is a hard game, and Iccup isn't a casual way to play it. If you want to play, you'd better put the time in to get at least semi decent and stop whining or just go back to east. That's the logic of everyone who's telling him to go cry more, the same as everyone said in your whiney blog post, and I have to say I agree with them. | ||
citi.zen
2509 Posts
This is why I find the "just get better" comments frustrating - they are missing the point of his complaint, which is that iccup is not a kind place for "true" D level players - whoever they are (there will always be some D level players, no?). Much of the problem is caused by better players who keep making new accounts and going back to D level. As I mentioned before, currently there are unfortunately few alternatives for D level players - bnet sucks. | ||
andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:33 Jonoman92 wrote: I really don't see this as a huge problem. Every time I have to climb the ranks starting at D/D+ ranks 9 out of 10 players are the typical D player and maybe one is clearly of higher rank but starting from the bottom. I guess the problem is C- players playing at D level and D level players like to call them B+ or something. It could be korean hours. While most people dont play on them, i myself can only play on korean hours because of my work. | ||
Hacksaw11
Australia359 Posts
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:40 Piy wrote: Being able to play people who actually have a vague idea of what they're doing as opposed to playing random scrubs who are as bad or worse than you is a gooooood thing, and being friendly and talking to people who owned me helped so much a few months ago when I started playing alot. Turns out rage quitting and making sob story blogs doesn't make anyone happier or better at SC Starcraft really is a hard game, and Iccup isn't a casual way to play it. If you want to play, you'd better put the time in to get at least semi decent and stop whining or just go back to east. That's the logic of everyone who's telling him to go cry more, the same as everyone said in your whiney blog post, and I have to say I agree with them. I actually agree with your statement on how you can have a positive attitude towards these games if they help you. But man, you gotta learn to walk before you can run. You can't expect someone to get better by telling them to get their asses handed in 7 minutes almost every game. Its should be a learning curve, not a steep line, thats why ICC has this things called ranks in the first place, isnt it? | ||
Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:47 Zozma wrote: I don't think I've ever had a smurfing problem... most of the replays I check, my opponents had pretty horrible macro. I'll bet it is the Korean hours. It's really not korean hours. That doesn't become a problem until above D+... | ||
50bani
Romania480 Posts
The problem is that some people like to have a chance to win and want good, close games. Getting destroyed every game is depressing and does not help them improve since there is no single reason of any kind that lead to the loss other than clicking the start button. As for OP's problem there are ways to somewhat avoid getting smurfed. If you have 1800 points and hover just under D+ then you might have a problem avoiding people with 6-0 record but I am afraid everyone has to go through the same shit as you and most do not whine and curse. The title of the thread is not acceptable imo. You got unlucky one day maybe, it is not like you say it is. Not nearly. | ||
Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote: Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful. You are an idiot. Stop polluting the blog section with your bullshit and go learn how to play. That's called doing something useful. Your attitude is unbearable and it's ludicrous that you losing to various cheeses because you are terrible equates to Starcraft being bad outside the professional realm. Seriously, nobody cares, I am sorry. EDIT: You put turrets at your main and natural but died to this lame DT rush? Lol. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11558 Posts
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
but all the people telling you you're horrible at starcraft and that you need to stfu and learn how to play are right. if you lose to a cheese, dont get pissed. watch the replay and figure out how not to fuck up next time change your mindset. people aren't gonna hand you wins, you have to earn them. you're not going to improve or have any fun playing starcraft if you're the way you are right now. i used to rage really bad. i still do, but i take breaks between games to calm down, watch the replay, and maybe practice 1 game vs comp. i just hit my highest iccup rank ever a couple days ago. you're just a few positive habits away from it too | ||
daz
Canada643 Posts
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KwarK
United States40817 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:33 Jadyks wrote: Thanks, Never_Toss. Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs. Scout better. When I play at D I get cheesed as often as you do. You see the cheese, you beat the cheese, that is all there is to it. You simply need to know how to play the game. Obviously if you try playing it 20min NR you will lose. If you play a solid game of bw and he tries to do cheesy shit you should be able to handle it easily provided you know how to. | ||
andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:14 KwarK wrote: Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs. yeh, they werent B+. They were above D+ though, as i stated on that blog | ||
KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:08 KurtistheTurtle wrote: i felt the same way you did. I even made a similar blog about it but all the people telling you you're horrible at starcraft and that you need to stfu and learn how to play are right. if you lose to a cheese, dont get pissed. watch the replay and figure out how not to fuck up next time change your mindset. people aren't gonna hand you wins, you have to earn them. you're not going to improve or have any fun playing starcraft if you're the way you are right now. i used to rage really bad. i still do, but i take breaks between games to calm down, watch the replay, and maybe practice 1 game vs comp. i just hit my highest iccup rank ever a couple days ago. you're just a few positive habits away from it too Did you not read the thread? The guy claims that 3/4 of the players he's facing is B+ (hint: they're C-). He has a skewed idea of what this game is about (hint: it's winning). It's fine if he wants to work on his basics but it's ridiculous to try to expect the average iccup user to never cheese. I bet a lot of those cheeses weren't even cheese builds. I can go 8 rax, wall-in and do a non-committed bunker rush while expanding and if Z is terrible, he will lose to it but he probably thinks that I'm some cheesefag who never plays standard. | ||
stk01001
United States786 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
a) post your ICCUP name so we can check if your opponents are really B+ (probably not) b) post your autorep folder so we can all LOL at how shitty of a player you are when you lose to stuff that's not even halfway cheesy and call it cheese. c) post your ICCUP name so us C level players can purposefully smurf you and make you post more blog rants YAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On November 11 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote: While I agree with several people stating that scouting is indication of his skill level to be absolutely awful, I think the OP is right. I understand his rage. As I posted one day, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103802, this is a real problem. It was notoriously worse a few weeks ago, but since i reached C- its not happening to me anymore. To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is. If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it. The reason we're giving him shit is because he's posting this blog and sounding like a whining shithead and making blanket assumptions about this game that are baseless and totally untrue. He's taking out his D-rank-newb-nerd-rage on the game itself. | ||
Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote: Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful. Wait he had his probe in your base from early game? So his entire build hinged on the hope that his probe would go noticed int he opponent's base all the way until dt tech? You lost to a proxy dt rush when you already turreted up your main and nat? lol. Please go back to D- On November 11 2009 04:39 Holgerius wrote: I personally don't deny that I am bad. In fact, that is the entire point I want to make; I am bad, so let me play vs other bad players until I improve enough to play vs better players. OP did indeed exaggerate a lot, but there ARE really good players who smurf and cheese D players. It has happened to me many times (for instance, I asked one guy who raped me with an inbase proxy if he was really D (because his Zealot micro was kickass), and he answered no and that he had played for 10 years). I can tell the difference between a D player cheesing and a higher level player doing the same thing. If you're that bad, I highly doubt you can tell the difference between a D+ who practiced his zealot micro and a B who was just fucking around. I still don't see where all the complaints are coming from. My highest rank was D+ but mostly I play in the D ranks. Cheese is very rare and I've never felt that i played anyone B rank.. Yes I've played korean hours. I played my korean friend who is C+ rank and I lost 50 (yes fifty) games in a row to him. Cheese, standard, whatever. Did I get a hell of a lot better? yes. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 11 2009 01:54 Jadyks wrote: Could this be any more obnoxious? How are new players supposed to feel inspired to play when every single D player, with very few exceptions, are b+ or better korean smurfags with 300 apm who cheese every single game with no exceptions? This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass. inspired to play hahahha whatttt I WILL BE A PROGAMER ONE DAY!!!!! IF ONLY B+ PEOPLE DIDNT BEAT ME ON ICCUP think how the B+ players are supposed to feel by having to play 50 games before they actually find a challenge | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote: Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is. It is. We're here to put whining little kids in their place. Post your ICCUP nick so all the half-decent players here can smurf you and inspire more fun blogs. | ||
Terranist
United States2496 Posts
btw I am better than every D player on iccup except for the ones that beat me. they are smurfing. | ||
Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Belano
Sweden657 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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city42
1656 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote: Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is. When you made the statement to a starcraft community that starcraft "sucks ass," coupled with nonsense about your losses all being caused by factors outside your control, what sort of responses were you expecting? edit: Actually, the joke's on me. This thread turned out just like you intended. | ||
knightpraetor
United States180 Posts
However, I agree that they all cheese. Just get used to it. Honestly i prefer fighting the cheese. If it's cheese, then i can practice micro, which even someone at D/D+ can get good at. However, if they choose to play a macro game, you will play longer but then just get obliterated. i've taken games off of people way above my level before because they cheesed, and you can too. Just practice your scouting and response. | ||
koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote: Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful. lol this post just completely shows how bad you are at this game. | ||
Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
You got proxy gated in your main from a pylon at low ground.... so next game, periodically scout the edges of your base with scvs or go build a turret or two to cover the blind spots. Problem solved, now you can focus on "standard" play like you want to. The other day a protoss player tried to cannon my main. I didn't scout it until the second pylon was warping in (first few cannons just went up to protect the others), so I just threw down a couple sunkens and expanded twice. I played it safe until my economy kicked in and then walked all over him with hydras. Turns out he had ABSOLUTELY ZERO backup plan, and hadn't even really started making a ground army yet. A lot of the people who are resorting to cheese at D/D+ are actually not good at all and only have good winning records because most D/D+ players are very susceptible to these types of "cheese." Work on your scouting and figure out how to counteract their openings and most of them just fall apart. | ||
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:49 Xeris wrote: It is. We're here to put whining little kids in their place. Post your ICCUP nick so all the half-decent players here can smurf you and inspire more fun blogs. http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/Bazhi.html | ||
Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:14 KwarK wrote: Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs. Scout better. When I play at D I get cheesed as often as you do. You see the cheese, you beat the cheese, that is all there is to it. You simply need to know how to play the game. Obviously if you try playing it 20min NR you will lose. If you play a solid game of bw and he tries to do cheesy shit you should be able to handle it easily provided you know how to. Yeah, when YOU play at D and get cheesed by a D level player, you scout it and beat it. What's your real rank again? Of course you easily handle cheese from players way below your own skill level. You are completely ignoring the point. I mean, I can handle cheese fairly well when it's coming from an opponent on my level, players whose multitasking and micro is as bad as mine is. I'm personally NOT complaining about cheese in itself. Just yesterday I thrashed a D+ (at the time) player who went for a weird all-in lurker drop strategy. But there's difference between a bad player's cheese and the cheese of a high level player. Bisu would most likely rape you if he went for a cheese. I agree with a lot of what has been said, and OP does indeed seem like an asshole who nerdrages simply because he can't deal with cheese at all. But the thing he's talking about (smurfs who bash newbies with cheese) does happen. And it's annoying as hell. A ladder is supposed to pit people of equal skill against eachother. | ||
AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
That's the point of this blog post. I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point. | ||
Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Also it's usually obvious why you lose when you get cheesed. In a standard macro game it may not be so obvious to you what went wrong. OP was full of shit as expected, there's nothing else to say. | ||
Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote: Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder. That's the point of this blog post. I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point. With a little bit of ressearch you may find that these EXACT SAME PEOPLE who have been so rude to you have been extremely helpful to other people of your approximate skill level. What do you think the difference might be due to? | ||
DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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AoN.DimSum
United States2983 Posts
On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote: Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder. That's the point of this blog post. I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point. You probably shouldn't be playing sc if it makes you so mad. Take up kite flying maybe~ or dog walking! | ||
WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote: Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder. That's the point of this blog post. I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point. smurfing doesn't defeat the purpose of the ladder at all. a ladder is not only to show how big of a dick you have, it can also be used to find similar skilled players who dont play different against you just because they know your name and therefor your playstyle. My friend always was crying about the same issue until he realized that he needs to adapt to the other player and not play 1by1 like he read it in liquipedia. I especially have no understanding of Ts crying about 2 gate lots rush. how can you lose to that at all? god damn, you're T you can simply wallin and 2 gate rush is defeated. even if the "cheeser" is way above your level, you gain an advantage from that safebuild and can play normally from there and learn a lot. if you didnt learn that at D level you dont need to play the progamer strats its your fault. get out of the D ranks with solid basics (scouting, macro micro, outsmarting) then you can start getting closer and closer to the progamer strats. | ||
AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
on my way up this season I've been played a smurf countless times and I'm A)using known aliases or B) playing at my level. What is wrong is bad players. Iccup is fun because I might actually run into a pro gamer on my climb. | ||
rredtooth
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meathook
1289 Posts
On November 11 2009 01:55 ilovezil wrote: That's when D players start picking on D- players And that's when the D- players go out and stab someone. | ||
koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote: Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder. That's the point of this blog post. I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point. | ||
Triple7
United States656 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:33 Xeris wrote: I get cheesed maybe 2/10 games, and maybe 4/10 games at D rank. Instead of your mindless rant - you should maybe: a) post your ICCUP name so we can check if your opponents are really B+ (probably not) b) post your autorep folder so we can all LOL at how shitty of a player you are when you lose to stuff that's not even halfway cheesy and call it cheese. c) post your ICCUP name so us C level players can purposefully smurf you and make you post more blog rants YAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Hahaha, brutal. But yes, I've found that 4/10 games at D rank are cheese as well, and most of the smurfers I face are around C. There is unfortunately no easy solution, so I advise you to learn to fend off rushes (If they actually are B-, you probably won't win anyway, though ). | ||
MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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closed
Vatican City State491 Posts
IMO people should play till they have 50/50 stats, as this really shows their level; I just think the 25-1 guys are pretty shitty and just want to bash poor newbs with some sophisticated cheesy builds. Btw. Speaking of stats - does anyone play 2v2? It's damn impossible to find a partner for 2v2 even when you got nice stats (like d+ 12-0) and when you finally find one, it occurs that the "10-2 guy" cant win vs D+... so your record gets shitty and you cant find an ally to play on C- level, which means that your allie is some random noob going 8pylon,9pylon,10pylon,11pylon... | ||
WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On November 11 2009 07:35 closed wrote: Btw. Speaking of stats - does anyone play 2v2? It's damn impossible to find a partner for 2v2 even when you got nice stats (like d+ 12-0) and when you finally find one, it occurs that the "10-2 guy" cant win vs D+... so your record gets shitty and you cant find an ally to play on C- level, which means that your allie is some random noob going 8pylon,9pylon,10pylon,11pylon... maybe YOU shouldnt be so picky about allys? I play only open 2v2 because i got pissed by this gay ally searching in the channel and then be shouted at by D+ players telling me how big of a noob i am only to see them stuck at D+/C-, playing open games with random allies is way more convinient and you get to playmuch faster. Its just very hard to find games >C+ without a fix ally and that sucks hard. | ||
Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On November 11 2009 01:54 Jadyks wrote: Could this be any more obnoxious? How are new players supposed to feel inspired to play when every single D player, with very few exceptions, are b+ or better korean smurfags with 300 apm who cheese every single game with no exceptions? This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass. i had the same retarded problem which is why I dont iccup.. I got D+ 2090.. I was like 12-6 4 of the 6 people I lost to I checked their prevous stats and they were all B-/B/B+ 1 of the 6 became like 26-0 C+ then quit Then I played a game at D+ and I lost.. The guys last rank was B+.. This would be normal right? No.. I played midway into the season.. If they're B+ last season why werent they already B+ by mid way into the season? It makes no sense... | ||
WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On November 11 2009 07:59 Mobius wrote: i had the same retarded problem which is why I dont iccup.. I got D+ 2090.. I was like 12-6 4 of the 6 people I lost to I checked their prevous stats and they were all B-/B/B+ 1 of the 6 became like 26-0 C+ then quit Then I played a game at D+ and I lost.. The guys last rank was B+.. This would be normal right? No.. I played midway into the season.. If they're B+ last season why werent they already B+ by mid way into the season? It makes no sense... link to account? | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 11 2009 08:02 Ganfei wrote: Has it occurred to you dumbasses that even if smurfing does indeed "defeat the point of a ladder" (which I already disagree with) that every single fucking player has to start at D anyways? And if they have a RECORD of their previous seasons ON THE FUCKING NAME, that means they AREN'T FUCKING SMURFING? They're just playing from D? Like everyone has to do? hahaha this reminds me of a funny story where i started laddering about a month into season. the guy i met at d+ nerdraged so hard. i tried explaining to him that i sort of had to go through the lower ranks before climbing up but apparently that didn't make much sense to him. i asked him how i was supposed to get to my real rank without building up points and his response was "fuck you." ha. | ||
ReKuN
United States15 Posts
On November 11 2009 01:55 mOnion wrote: dont play at night. those are korean hours. Not all korean's play at korean hours | ||
koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 11 2009 08:14 OneOther wrote: hahaha this reminds me of a funny story where i started laddering about a month into season. the guy i met at d+ nerdraged so hard. i tried explaining to him that i sort of had to go through the lower ranks before climbing up but apparently that didn't make much sense to him. i asked him how i was supposed to get to my real rank without building up points and his response was "fuck you." ha. Common sense is a rare attribute. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On November 11 2009 08:14 OneOther wrote: hahaha this reminds me of a funny story where i started laddering about a month into season. the guy i met at d+ nerdraged so hard. i tried explaining to him that i sort of had to go through the lower ranks before climbing up but apparently that didn't make much sense to him. i asked him how i was supposed to get to my real rank without building up points and his response was "fuck you." ha. That's pretty amazing. | ||
KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
Sometimes you win, and they ask your 'real rank'. And when you tell them you are some smurf-scarred D, they cry bitter tears. That makes it all worth it. | ||
Terranist
United States2496 Posts
done http://www.iccup.com/details/1572416.html | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
When some1 asks questions early game, chances r early pool / proxy etc coming. Also I have got lot of freewins on maps like outisider/medusa, just by going 2g, cause lot of zergs 4/5pool there . Also it seems like S.American zergs know only 1 build, 3 hatch ling :O.. | ||
Always
United States376 Posts
resolved. | ||
Jonoman92
United States9091 Posts
It's a little different at the higher ranks, but at the low ranks the difference really isn't noticeable to me. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
On November 11 2009 10:41 Ganfei wrote: I also wanted to say that I played a few 1v1s this season (up to B-) and I didn't ever have to deal with cheesy shit...like EVER. I wasn't cheesed even once (I was around C+ when it dawned on me that I had only been DTed like 2 times in TvP...an extremely low amount compared to the last time I 1v1ed on ICC). Now I know I'm the other end of the spectrum here, but seriously there are SO many blogs where people say they ONLY get cheesed on ICCUP, and I can't bring myself to believe it. I think you probably just suck ass and don't realize that what you think is cheese is normal shit. "My experience is different from yours, therefore yours must be wrong and you're an idiot!" | ||
DREAM-JOY
Australia53 Posts
Post your ICC account so you can actually validate your points. | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On November 11 2009 14:38 Jadyks wrote: "My experience is different from yours, therefore yours must be wrong and you're an idiot!" How about instead of continuing to argue, you just post your ICCUP account and autorep folder. Put your money where your mouth is. Are you really getting cheesed every game??? Or... are you just some horrible newb who's losing to regular shit and calling it cheese? Seems to me like you'd shut a lot of people up, including me, if your story were actually true. | ||
koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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DREAM-JOY
Australia53 Posts
On November 11 2009 15:35 Xeris wrote: I'll do it if I find out his iccup name. I believe his name is Mekhami. Somebody found out his name on page 2 or something, and I checked Gretorp's livestream thread he identified himself as Mekhami. Also - he hasn't played a single Korean since like september 19. And even they were D+ with <50% stats. lol. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 11 2009 15:48 DREAM-JOY wrote: I believe his name is Mekhami. Somebody found out his name on page 2 or something, and I checked Gretorp's livestream thread he identified himself as Mekhami. Also - he hasn't played a single Korean since like september 19. And even they were D+ with <50% stats. lol. LOL | ||
Highways
Australia6098 Posts
Happy that SC2 won't let this happen. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I'm all for it. | ||
Chrispy
Canada5871 Posts
But really Nony puts this all in perspective and is really the only thing worth reading: Yeah, iccup is not the promised land for beginners. Just for advanced players. PS: Play 12:00-9:00 pm PST and you'll be fine. Less smurfs, more bad. | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On November 11 2009 14:38 Jadyks wrote: "My experience is different from yours, therefore yours must be wrong and you're an idiot!" I already addressed that in what I wrote. You cry cry baby??;; I'll give you a straight up no cheese game so that you can show your pro skills. Up for it? | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
48-22 C, non-korean, no high rank 21-15 D+, non-korean, 75-81 C- prior high rank 17-4 C-, non-korean, no high rank 12-24 D, non-korean, no high rank 3-5 D, non-korean, no high rank 15-9 D+, non-korean, 42-36 C- high rank 8-5 D, non-korean, no high rank 55-91 D, non-korean, no high rank 18-6, C-, non-korean, variety of similar C- records previous seasons 1-2 D, non-korean, 34-23 C high rank 31-30 C-, non-korean, 27-23 C- high rank 2-5 D, non-korean, 13-6 D+ high rank 21-23 D+, non-korean, 27-41 D high rank 32-33 D+, non-korean, 17-16 D high rank 8-12 D, non-korean, no high rank 23-22 D+, non-korean, 26-17 C- high rank 9-8 D, non-korean 96-131 C- high rank 20-14 D+, non-korean, 21-36 D high rank 24-7 C-, non-korean, 20-6 D+ high rank 30-29 C-, non-korean, 40-29 C- high rank 27-24, D+, Korean, 80-53 B- high rank 15-11 D+, Korean, 8-0 D+ high rank 48-89, D, Korean, 33-28 D+ high rank 41-32 C, Korean, 88-88 C+ high rank 60-49 C+, Korean, 60-66 C high rank 46-45 C, Korean, 61-56 C high rank There are no B+ players, sorry. 6 Koreans, all in the last half of the 2nd page. Only one B- high rank player, with a bad record. Majority of them have negative or bad records at D/D+/C- currently with equally bad histories. Think about the fact that the guy who is 80-160 D+ every season and who is 3-8 D currently owes one of his 3 wins to you, the guy who would go so far if it weren't for all those cheesing B+ korean smurfags. | ||
Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
This i like to do without losing my "normal" rank. So i play a few accounts to C- or so. Again i don't particularly enjoy playing D or D+ games so the fastest way to get to C-ish is to cheese. Then at some point i get so good at whatever strategy i am practising that my 'smurf' hits C+, B- or whatever. Then to practise a new strategy i make a new account. I would love it if i could create an account at an arbitrary rank but sadly this is not possible. Point is, i don't smurf to hurt anyones feelings. And hey, i don't like losing either. | ||
Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
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tYsopz
Norway215 Posts
I know how it's extremely frustrating to get inbase proxied repeatedly, but you are going to get flamed when you exaggerate to the extent you are doing now. Just learn to scout in time and how to counter whatever cheese is thrown at you. | ||
Jadyks
United States119 Posts
You're so clever finding my protoss account. SO CLEVER. | ||
citi.zen
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On November 12 2009 04:21 citi.zen wrote: Protoss account? Smurf! Funny because it's true What a dipshit | ||
closed
Vatican City State491 Posts
On November 11 2009 07:44 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: maybe YOU shouldnt be so picky about allys? I play only open 2v2 because i got pissed by this gay ally searching in the channel and then be shouted at by D+ players telling me how big of a noob i am only to see them stuck at D+/C-, playing open games with random allies is way more convinient and you get to playmuch faster. Its just very hard to find games >C+ without a fix ally and that sucks hard. D+/C- open game players do not deserve their ranks IMO. I can go 10-0 vs D+ "open" players. It's not because I am that good (my max is C), but because they play so sad. Seriously any rank up to C- seems to be pretty random. Usually when I go pubs I end up with a protoss ally (I am zerg), I ask him to cannon me - and that 3200pts C- guy says that he never heard of this build and that I am a noob. Then he proceedes to go 2gate zealots vs anything and gets outmicroed by goons/owned by mnm. I do not claim I am any good, but playing with pubs without any strats leads to noowhere, because they have no damn clue about the game. Like today I play a game some idiot comes and says that he is B- and that we should both go 7 or 9 pool vs T+Z team. I tell him that the zerg will go 12pool->2sunkens and we can do jack shit and just wait for the terran to kill us. He claims that he knows better. We lose, just I've described. (I often win in the opposite way, which to be honest, is pretty sad, because a good team will do a completely different strat...). | ||
KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
On November 11 2009 05:30 infinity21 wrote: Did you not read the thread? The guy claims that 3/4 of the players he's facing is B+ (hint: they're C-). He has a skewed idea of what this game is about (hint: it's winning). It's fine if he wants to work on his basics but it's ridiculous to try to expect the average iccup user to never cheese. I bet a lot of those cheeses weren't even cheese builds. I can go 8 rax, wall-in and do a non-committed bunker rush while expanding and if Z is terrible, he will lose to it but he probably thinks that I'm some cheesefag who never plays standard. erm..what? did you not read my post? I'm addressing the reason he made this post, not what hes posting about. the problem here is his mindset. he's blaming everything but himself for his lack of success. you just told me he isn't thinking about the game right and my post was all about how i went from a similar situation as his to one where i am winning because i changed my view and habits with the game. confusing >.> | ||
selboN
United States2523 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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