B+ Korean cheesefags smurfing the D ranks

On November 11 2009 02:13 Jadyks wrote:
It's incredibly frustrating and not good training at all when literally 3/4 games you play are against someone who's b or better. There's nothing to gain from a 4 minute game where he can outmicro his zealots to your marines when he double proxy gates. There's nothing I can do because so far I haven't developed those skills and it's impossible to gain skill in 4 minute games.

And I'm playing now, 11:15 am here, 2:am korean. And I still play smurfs 75% of my games. (Yes, I look up their records on iCCup and half of them are clearstats fags.)

On November 11 2009 02:14 Nytefish wrote:
You're making absurd exaggerations. What makes you think you're constantly playing B+ players? The 300 APM?

On November 11 2009 02:24 T.O.P. wrote:

It's not a exaggeration at all. There's 2 types of players in korean hours, the smurfs and the non-smufs. The smurfs have a high rank of B, but they can't stand losing so they pick on D/D+ rankers. The non-smurfs are two ranks below what their rank would have been if they played in American hours, mainly because their rank get deflated by smurfing koreans.

On November 11 2009 02:26 Boblion wrote:
You are 200% right.

Half of the players at the D+/D ranks are > C-
But they just want to have sexy stats and are to scared to play at C/C+/B- levels because they would have a 40% win ratio.

So they stomp D ranks then quit or reset when they get like 25-5 C-

On November 11 2009 02:31 BlasiuS wrote:



ran into one of these guys the other night. Very frustrating.

On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it.

On November 11 2009 02:44 zulu_nation8 wrote:
mekhami you seem to get frustrated over stupid shit a lot, grow balls.

On November 11 2009 02:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i think you mentioned it in gretorp's thread

On November 11 2009 02:49 LuisMl8 wrote:
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btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank.

i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account
but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account???

On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it.

On November 11 2009 03:00 KwarK wrote:
Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo.

On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it.

On November 11 2009 02:42 infinity21 wrote:
lol wtf at all the rage in this thread

You don't have to be B ranks to demolish D/D+ players or to get to C- with a really nice record. For instance, last season, I had 3 accounts get to C- (18-6, 22-8, 21-4) really easily, completely outmacroing most of them by 20-ish supply TvP etc., but got obliterated against all the C- players I faced. I'm doing a lot better against C- players this season (korean or not) so maybe it was a psychological thing.

Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it.

On November 11 2009 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
if you're not playing to get better then don't ladder, if you are playing to get better don't get mad when you get raped by better players. For people who want to work on their "midgame", make sure you type "20min nr kk?" so your opponent knows.

On November 11 2009 02:24 Chill wrote:
I don't know what to say other than I really don't like you.

btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank.

i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account
but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account???

Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo.
But yeah, Ahzz hits the nail on the head. Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. There's a difference between playing anti-cheese and just playing a solid build order without unnecessary risks. Of course the first time you lose to them mining out the back on HBR and running lings through that's not your fault. The second time when you'd rather save 40 minerals mining time than check just in case is 100% your fault.

On November 11 2009 01:56 Sadistx wrote:
Well, this will be fixed in starcraft 2 Until then we're stuck with them I guess.

On November 11 2009 03:49 Jadyks wrote:
You're so right iNcontroL, so right. You're so right how are any of us able to exist in the same realm as you?

No, sarcasm, you're completely wrong. I've just been cheesed (IE Proxy or 9/9 zealot all-in or DTs with a gate proxy'd in the corner of my base with the pylon on low ground or some other form of bullshit where my opponent clearly has no grasp of standard starcraft other than OKAY LOL I'LL HIT K AND WIN SURE THING) 6 times in a row.

6 times in a row. And this isn't unusual. I'm lucky to get one or two standard games a night, ever.

On November 11 2009 03:49 Jadyks wrote:
You're so right iNcontroL, so right. You're so right how are any of us able to exist in the same realm as you?

No, sarcasm, you're completely wrong. I've just been cheesed (IE Proxy or 9/9 zealot all-in or DTs with a gate proxy'd in the corner of my base with the pylon on low ground or some other form of bullshit where my opponent clearly has no grasp of standard starcraft other than OKAY LOL I'LL HIT K AND WIN SURE THING) 6 times in a row.

6 times in a row. And this isn't unusual. I'm lucky to get one or two standard games a night, ever.

On November 11 2009 04:08 Ver wrote:
Your (awful) attitude in this thread and the situation you find yourself in have a very big correlation.

As for those who doubt the level of cheese, Terrans just get cheesed a ton at the lower levels, that's simply how it is. When I offrace I get a tiny fraction of the cheese, but when I play Terran it's at least half the games until you reach C or higher (obviously map dependent too).

On November 11 2009 03:43 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
The things people will say...

I'ma go out on a limb and guess that you are bad. Then I'ma guess that "cheese" means anything aside from 2 gate -> expand 5 hatch hydra/muta or 1 fact FE (for you). That being said: Go die.

Yep I made presumptions. Yep they are probably a bit exaggerated. But we ALL play ICCUP. We ALL KNOW that the D ranks are NOT swarmed with B+ Korean smurfs cheesing (rofl). And frankly, for you to determine that SC outside of the pro scene is horrible is so incredibly defeatist/cowardly/terribad.. I dunno what to say to you at this point.

On November 11 2009 03:33 infinity21 wrote:

Why do D level players get so pissed when better players cheese them? Do you not realize that by trying to finish the game off faster, the superior player is in fact giving you a better chance to win? The friend that taught me how to practice against in-base proxy gate on desti was B high yet he couldn't do anything once I responded correctly. That would give me a big advantage going into mid-game which will improve my chances of winning (it doesn't mean I auto-win because of our skill difference). If he plays perfectly standard, I will probably lose at least 95 out of 100 times.

On November 11 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote:
While I agree with several people stating that scouting is indication of his skill level to be absolutely awful, I think the OP is right. I understand his rage. As I posted one day, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103802, this is a real problem. It was notoriously worse a few weeks ago, but since i reached C- its not happening to me anymore.
To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is.
If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it.

On November 11 2009 04:33 Jonoman92 wrote:
I really don't see this as a huge problem. Every time I have to climb the ranks starting at D/D+ ranks 9 out of 10 players are the typical D player and maybe one is clearly of higher rank but starting from the bottom.

I guess the problem is C- players playing at D level and D level players like to call them B+ or something.

On November 11 2009 04:40 Piy wrote:


Being able to play people who actually have a vague idea of what they're doing as opposed to playing random scrubs who are as bad or worse than you is a gooooood thing, and being friendly and talking to people who owned me helped so much a few months ago when I started playing alot. Turns out rage quitting and making sob story blogs doesn't make anyone happier or better at SC

Starcraft really is a hard game, and Iccup isn't a casual way to play it. If you want to play, you'd better put the time in to get at least semi decent and stop whining or just go back to east.

That's the logic of everyone who's telling him to go cry more, the same as everyone said in your whiney blog post, and I have to say I agree with them.

On November 11 2009 04:47 Zozma wrote:
I don't think I've ever had a smurfing problem... most of the replays I check, my opponents had pretty horrible macro. I'll bet it is the Korean hours.

On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote:
Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful.

On November 11 2009 04:33 Jadyks wrote:
Thanks, Never_Toss.

On November 11 2009 05:14 KwarK wrote:

Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs.

On November 11 2009 04:29 never_toss wrote:
While I agree with several people stating that scouting is indication of his skill level to be absolutely awful, I think the OP is right. I understand his rage. As I posted one day, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103802, this is a real problem. It was notoriously worse a few weeks ago, but since i reached C- its not happening to me anymore.
To tell you the truth InControl, OneOther, infiinty, this is more than a valid rant on his part. It is cool to get your ass kicked once in a while and see wtf happened/learn new things/etc. It is not cool if you are at your best rank (which incidentally is the second lowest rank on ICC) and get your ass kicked 6 straight games by people who are clearly not the same rank he is.
If he's in a shitty attitude, its because of posts like "Scout you fucking newb, learn how to cope. This is why you ARE BAD", "Go die", that he has a bad attitude. Learn to empathize a bit with his problem, why the fuck are you giving him this kind of shit? Quite frankly he doesn't deserve it.

On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote:
Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful.

On November 11 2009 04:39 Holgerius wrote:
I personally don't deny that I am bad. In fact, that is the entire point I want to make; I am bad, so let me play vs other bad players until I improve enough to play vs better players. OP did indeed exaggerate a lot, but there ARE really good players who smurf and cheese D players. It has happened to me many times (for instance, I asked one guy who raped me with an inbase proxy if he was really D (because his Zealot micro was kickass), and he answered no and that he had played for 10 years). I can tell the difference between a D player cheesing and a higher level player doing the same thing.

On November 11 2009 01:54 Jadyks wrote:
Could this be any more obnoxious? How are new players supposed to feel inspired to play when every single D player, with very few exceptions, are b+ or better korean smurfags with 300 apm who cheese every single game with no exceptions?

This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass.

On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote:
Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is.

On November 11 2009 05:44 Jadyks wrote:
Truly a sampling of TL's finest!! "Go die" "Kill yourself" "You suck" What an amazing community this is.

On November 11 2009 03:56 Jadyks wrote:
Oh right because you know exactly how I play. No, actually I scouted the fast citadels, put turrets at my natural and my main since you know, there was no robo-bay and he'd have to walk his templar in, but instead he used a probe he managed to sneak in early-game to proxy a gate in my base using a low-ground pylon. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, go do something useful.

On November 11 2009 05:49 Xeris wrote:


It is. We're here to put whining little kids in their place. Post your ICCUP nick so all the half-decent players here can smurf you and inspire more fun blogs.

On November 11 2009 05:14 KwarK wrote:

Half the people he lost to in the blog he linked had like 60% winrates. Those aren't B+ smurfs. They're not even smurfs.

Scout better. When I play at D I get cheesed as often as you do. You see the cheese, you beat the cheese, that is all there is to it. You simply need to know how to play the game. Obviously if you try playing it 20min NR you will lose. If you play a solid game of bw and he tries to do cheesy shit you should be able to handle it easily provided you know how to.

On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote:
Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder.

That's the point of this blog post.

I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point.

On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote:
Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder.

That's the point of this blog post.

I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point.

On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote:
Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder.

That's the point of this blog post.

I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point.

On November 11 2009 01:55 ilovezil wrote:
That's when D players start picking on D- players

On November 11 2009 06:42 Jadyks wrote:
Smurfing defeats the purpose of a ladder.

That's the point of this blog post.

I don't care about the ragefags in here that say 'Get the fuck out!' or 'Go die you're so fucking stupid', they don't bother me, I lived through high school too, I understand their pre-pubescent angst, I am here to make a point.

On November 11 2009 05:33 Xeris wrote:
I get cheesed maybe 2/10 games, and maybe 4/10 games at D rank. Instead of your mindless rant - you should maybe:

a) post your ICCUP name so we can check if your opponents are really B+ (probably not)
b) post your autorep folder so we can all LOL at how shitty of a player you are when you lose to stuff that's not even halfway cheesy and call it cheese.
c) post your ICCUP name so us C level players can purposefully smurf you and make you post more blog rants

YAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

On November 11 2009 07:35 closed wrote:
Btw. Speaking of stats - does anyone play 2v2? It's damn impossible to find a partner for 2v2 even when you got nice stats (like d+ 12-0) and when you finally find one, it occurs that the "10-2 guy" cant win vs D+... so your record gets shitty and you cant find an ally to play on C- level, which means that your allie is some random noob going 8pylon,9pylon,10pylon,11pylon...

On November 11 2009 01:54 Jadyks wrote:
Could this be any more obnoxious? How are new players supposed to feel inspired to play when every single D player, with very few exceptions, are b+ or better korean smurfags with 300 apm who cheese every single game with no exceptions?

This flaw is enormous, and is the main reason Starcraft, outside of professional realm, sucks ass.

On November 11 2009 07:59 Mobius wrote:

i had the same retarded problem which is why I dont iccup.. I got D+ 2090.. I was like 12-6
4 of the 6 people I lost to I checked their prevous stats and they were all B-/B/B+
1 of the 6 became like 26-0 C+ then quit
Then I played a game at D+ and I lost.. The guys last rank was B+..

This would be normal right? No.. I played midway into the season.. If they're B+ last season why werent they already B+ by mid way into the season? It makes no sense...

On November 11 2009 08:02 Ganfei wrote:
Has it occurred to you dumbasses that even if smurfing does indeed "defeat the point of a ladder" (which I already disagree with) that every single fucking player has to start at D anyways? And if they have a RECORD of their previous seasons ON THE FUCKING NAME, that means they AREN'T FUCKING SMURFING? They're just playing from D? Like everyone has to do?

On November 11 2009 01:55 mOnion wrote:
dont play at night. those are korean hours.

On November 11 2009 08:14 OneOther wrote:

hahaha this reminds me of a funny story where i started laddering about a month into season. the guy i met at d+ nerdraged so hard. i tried explaining to him that i sort of had to go through the lower ranks before climbing up but apparently that didn't make much sense to him. i asked him how i was supposed to get to my real rank without building up points and his response was "fuck you." ha.

On November 11 2009 08:14 OneOther wrote:

hahaha this reminds me of a funny story where i started laddering about a month into season. the guy i met at d+ nerdraged so hard. i tried explaining to him that i sort of had to go through the lower ranks before climbing up but apparently that didn't make much sense to him. i asked him how i was supposed to get to my real rank without building up points and his response was "fuck you." ha.

On November 11 2009 10:41 Ganfei wrote:
I also wanted to say that I played a few 1v1s this season (up to B-) and I didn't ever have to deal with cheesy shit...like EVER. I wasn't cheesed even once (I was around C+ when it dawned on me that I had only been DTed like 2 times in TvP...an extremely low amount compared to the last time I 1v1ed on ICC). Now I know I'm the other end of the spectrum here, but seriously there are SO many blogs where people say they ONLY get cheesed on ICCUP, and I can't bring myself to believe it. I think you probably just suck ass and don't realize that what you think is cheese is normal shit.

On November 11 2009 14:38 Jadyks wrote:

"My experience is different from yours, therefore yours must be wrong and you're an idiot!"

On November 11 2009 15:35 Xeris wrote:
I'll do it if I find out his iccup name.

On November 11 2009 15:48 DREAM-JOY wrote:


I believe his name is Mekhami. Somebody found out his name on page 2 or something, and I checked Gretorp's livestream thread he identified himself as Mekhami.

Also - he hasn't played a single Korean since like september 19. And even they were D+ with <50% stats. lol.

Yeah, iccup is not the promised land for beginners. Just for advanced players.

On November 11 2009 14:38 Jadyks wrote:

"My experience is different from yours, therefore yours must be wrong and you're an idiot!"

On November 11 2009 15:48 OneOther wrote:

LOL

On November 12 2009 04:21 citi.zen wrote:
Protoss account? Smurf!

On November 11 2009 07:44 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


maybe YOU shouldnt be so picky about allys? I play only open 2v2 because i got pissed by this gay ally searching in the channel and then be shouted at by D+ players telling me how big of a noob i am only to see them stuck at D+/C-, playing open games with random allies is way more convinient and you get to playmuch faster. Its just very hard to find games >C+ without a fix ally and that sucks hard.

On November 11 2009 05:30 infinity21 wrote:

Did you not read the thread? The guy claims that 3/4 of the players he's facing is B+ (hint: they're C-). He has a skewed idea of what this game is about (hint: it's winning). It's fine if he wants to work on his basics but it's ridiculous to try to expect the average iccup user to never cheese. I bet a lot of those cheeses weren't even cheese builds. I can go 8 rax, wall-in and do a non-committed bunker rush while expanding and if Z is terrible, he will lose to it but he probably thinks that I'm some cheesefag who never plays standard.