• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:09
CEST 12:09
KST 19:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy9ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample ASL21 General Discussion RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6211 users

What is Cowardice?

Blogs > Caller
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
October 16 2009 00:57 GMT
#1
We had a discussion in class today about what it means to be a coward. A few people argued that cowardice was running in the face of danger, leaving your friends behind for your own personal safety, or wetting your pants in general. While that may be true, I don't think that this is the real definition of what it means to be a coward.

Would you call somebody who dodges a game a coward? It may be that he's too scared to face you again, or maybe it's the opposite reason-the fact that he's too proud to face you again.

Would you consider soldiers who commit war crimes cowards? Cowards in that they would be mistreating helpless prisoners or civilians? Or would you consider them psychologically scarred from war?

Similarly, would you consider leaders of countries cowards? They send soldiers off to war to die, soldiers that they likely do not know, and for a goal that nobody really understands, under pressure from his country. But is it really his cowardice, or is it the cowardice of the country to find solutions that don't involve sending people to their deaths?

Are leaders in general cowards? We may picture leaders as such persons as Richard the Lionheart, Martin Luther King, and so forth, brave persons of might, but are leaders really that courageous, or do they use their supporters-whether voluntary or mandatory-as a tool to achieve their goals rather than risk their own necks?

Are musicians cowards? Could one not argue that they run away from life, defend a cause through a medium rather than directly, preferring to express their opinions than solve their opinions?

Likewise, are not workers cowards, preferring to slack away at a position rather than achieve whatever their true dream is, no matter how uneconomically sound it may be?

Are children cowards? Upon something bad, they usually try to hide behind their parents, for responsibility? Or are the parents cowards, for refusing to allow their children to bear the blame for their own mistakes?

Are you a coward?

*****
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 16 2009 01:05 GMT
#2
Cowardice is not doing what you think you ought to do.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 16 2009 01:06 GMT
#3
cowardice isnt a binary state. There are varying degrees of cowardice. I think everyone is a coward to some extent.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 16 2009 01:06 GMT
#4
On October 16 2009 10:05 qrs wrote:
Cowardice is not doing what you think you ought to do.


Sometimes its hard to tell what you ought to do, and one path is simply more scary than the other.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 16 2009 01:09 GMT
#5
Cowardice is playing protoss and then whining about PvZ.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Nosmo
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada210 Posts
October 16 2009 01:12 GMT
#6
On October 16 2009 10:09 writer22816 wrote:
Cowardice is playing protoss and then whining about PvZ.

Shhh, don't tell Motbob.
Killer next Bonjwa//Much is also good//Savior what happened//Fuck yeah, Nal_ra!
gchan
Profile Joined October 2007
United States654 Posts
October 16 2009 01:16 GMT
#7
On October 16 2009 10:06 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 10:05 qrs wrote:
Cowardice is not doing what you think you ought to do.


Sometimes its hard to tell what you ought to do, and one path is simply more scary than the other.



qrs is spot on. Not knowing what you ought to do is a different matter from not actually doing it. Knowing what you ought to do is discussing morality and principle; acting on those principles is cowardice or bravery.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
October 16 2009 01:18 GMT
#8
On October 16 2009 10:09 writer22816 wrote:
Cowardice is playing protoss and then whining about PvZ.


Cowardice is about a guy named Caller playing Terran, the overpowered race, and when you realize that TvP is not a free win like TvZ, you make a blog on TL about how "gay" it is be toss with their cheeses in a nicely disguised style of thread
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 01:24:09
October 16 2009 01:23 GMT
#9
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Likewise, what defines cowardice (which I would see as the opposite of bravery) is difficult to sum up in a single sentence.

I would say:
Cowardice is the inability to behave in a rational manner in the face of fear.




If you're alone on the battlefield holding a position of no value by yourself and faced with an overwhelming foe, retreat is the intelligent option. If you're out on the battlefield covering a vital position that you must hold or you and all your friends will die, then retreat becomes cowardice.

Unfortunately, life is rarely so black and white.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
October 16 2009 01:24 GMT
#10
On October 16 2009 10:18 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 10:09 writer22816 wrote:
Cowardice is playing protoss and then whining about PvZ.


Cowardice is about a guy named Caller playing Terran, the overpowered race, and when you realize that TvP is not a free win like TvZ, you make a blog on TL about how "gay" it is be toss with their cheeses in a nicely disguised style of thread

Doesn't he play Random?
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
October 16 2009 01:29 GMT
#11
On October 16 2009 10:24 Valentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 10:18 AzureEye wrote:
On October 16 2009 10:09 writer22816 wrote:
Cowardice is playing protoss and then whining about PvZ.


Cowardice is about a guy named Caller playing Terran, the overpowered race, and when you realize that TvP is not a free win like TvZ, you make a blog on TL about how "gay" it is be toss with their cheeses in a nicely disguised style of thread

Doesn't he play Random?


At least he claims he does. Whether he does or not, his preference for one race is obvious when he bashes the other race.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
October 16 2009 01:40 GMT
#12
On October 16 2009 10:29 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2009 10:24 Valentine wrote:
On October 16 2009 10:18 AzureEye wrote:
On October 16 2009 10:09 writer22816 wrote:
Cowardice is playing protoss and then whining about PvZ.


Cowardice is about a guy named Caller playing Terran, the overpowered race, and when you realize that TvP is not a free win like TvZ, you make a blog on TL about how "gay" it is be toss with their cheeses in a nicely disguised style of thread

Doesn't he play Random?


At least he claims he does. Whether he does or not, his preference for one race is obvious when he bashes the other race.

i think you're just a coward and can't admit that protoss is 1a2a3a
refusing to budge from the status quo with good reason is cowardice
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
October 16 2009 01:41 GMT
#13
On October 16 2009 10:05 qrs wrote:
Cowardice is not doing what you think you ought to do.

Thats what I believe as well. Cowardice and regret walk hand in hand for me. As long as you can live with yourself at the end of the day. I guess it does not matter much what anyone else thinks is cowardly.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
t_co
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States702 Posts
October 16 2009 01:50 GMT
#14
discretion is the better part of valor

to survive is the greatest achievement
"Look, don't congratulate us when we buy a company, congratulate us when we sell it. Because any fool can overpay and buy a company, so long as there is money to buy it." --Henry Kravis
theron[wdt]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States395 Posts
October 16 2009 02:16 GMT
#15
On October 16 2009 10:05 qrs wrote:
Cowardice is not doing what you think you ought to do.


also can be referred to laziness
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
October 16 2009 02:17 GMT
#16
There is no cowardice or bravery. There is only the result of your actions. What you want to achieve is what's important.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
October 16 2009 02:59 GMT
#17
Everyone is a degree of coward. Cowardice is not doing what you want to (some might say "should") do.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
October 16 2009 03:39 GMT
#18
Cowardice is not doing what you know is the right thing to do. And courage is doing what you know to be the right thing, no matter how it feels or what the consequences are.

It's not a "should", because sometimes you should keep your job for monetary security even though you're getting underpaid and mistreated. Nor is it a matter of doing what is intellectually the "right thing" - because sometimes it's illegal to do so (or not to do so). It's a matter of what you judge is right and wrong based on your values, beliefs and experiences, and standing up for yourself and others around you by acting.

And the poster above me has it right, that sometimes you can't tell what the right or wrong thing is to do in any given situation... but, I say to that, if you know that you have to do *something* in a situation that calls for action, picking something and going with it is a courageous action in and of itself.

Still, being courageous doesn't mean you can't be "wrong" in a societal or generally-accepted-moral sense... everyone you know may end up despising you for doing courage. And sometimes being a coward is "right" in that moral-societal sense.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-16 04:31:10
October 16 2009 04:29 GMT
#19
I don't think cowardice can be defined in terms of simple physical macrostates, e.g. a player seemingly dodging a game, because then all gamers who dodge would be cowards despite the exception which you brought up. Cowardice is more of a biological or mental state, when a person turns away from doing or not doing something seemingly more correct, and instead chooses the easier alternative, usually accompanied with some degree of fear or apprehension. When someone drops out of school because they're not a very good student and wants to get away from the academic world, and is then in a sense running away, then that is cowardice. If someone drops out of university because they cannot afford the financial stress, or because they have a great idea they want to work on that is viable and will have consumers for the eventual product, then that is not cowardice. I think cowardice is probably very dependent on both the underlying conditions of the scenario, the situation itself in which the events unfold, and the person's biological, emotional, and mental states. When one enlists in an armed force to get away from domestic problems, that may be cowardice. But if one enlists in an armed force to sacrifice one's efforts and bodily safety to protect a nation, either one's own or a distressed foreign nation, then that is not cowardice. If one plays StarCraft to get away from problems affecting other aspects of life, be they family issues or whatnot, that might be cowardice; but if one plays for passion of the game and goes to Korea to live one's dream and attempt to build a career, then it's probably not cowardice. As others have mentioned, it can also come in degrees, or be blended in with other human characteristics. Cowardice is probably very much related to sloth and laziness, but with the addition of some fearful or apprehensive unwillingness towards the action(s) in question.

On the other hand, I also want to ponder the notion that cowardice doesn't exist. If a child is abused when young, and from then on has a very real and seemingly negative physical or mental reaction later on at various instances throughout life, that might not be an example of cowardice despite the likeness due to the underlying conditions for that person. If that is the case, perhaps it's possible to extend that to all instances of cowardice, because one wonders whether or not there are underlying conditions that can rationally explain why a given person appears cowardly.

Going by the first variant, most, if not all, people probably display either cowardice, laziness, or inability to some degree. Not engaging in the structuring of public law, consciously maintaining political ignorance, consciously maintaining ecological ignorance, willingly continuing poor financial practices, not fully educating oneself on issues that are of personal interest and importance, etc. are general examples of pulling back from potential states for reasons of cowardice, laziness, or inability. By this definition, I would count myself a coward.

By the second, perhaps no one is a coward. If there are only twenty-four hours a day, of which one only has fifteen minutes free for personal time, then there are mitigating factors that explain for this. Similarly, if one does not have the means, then there is a valid explanation. If one does not stick up for another person, be they friend or stranger, when they are being unjustly picked on and it is within one's means to stop it, then that is cowardice; but if the means are not there, then it cannot be. Then, I would count myself a coward if I have skipped when I had the means, but I could not if the means were not there.

TL;DR version: Cowardice largely depends on a person's means and limitations, and assuming there to be some leeway in this, it then depends on a person's underlying mental, emotional, and biological condition, as well as the situation around which the action is built.

I'm afraid this might not be as well thought out as I wanted, but I tried. I agree with the above post, as well as most of the other more serious ones, but I don't think we'll manage to conclusively nail it down in this thread.

Edit: Typo. Probably a bunch more. =(
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
October 16 2009 04:44 GMT
#20
Cowardice is defined by motive, not action. If someone feels guilty they didn't do something out of fear, they were probably being cowardly.

Calling someone else a coward is an insult, like calling someone an asshole. It doesn't necessarily mean it's based on any truth. It's like the phrase "Brave but stupid" No, just stupid. They didn't know enough not to put themselves in danger. Turn that phrase into "Cowardly, but smart" and you get the same thing. No, just smart enough to know what's going on.

If you have some kind of moral opinion or discussion on any word in the English language, it's going to come down to semantics and personal definitions. And clearly the only one that is right is mine ;P Please slap your teacher for me.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 4: Playoffs Day 4
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
Tasteless443
CranKy Ducklings23
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 443
Nina 140
SortOf 114
MindelVK 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1965
BeSt 854
Jaedong 607
Killer 599
Larva 437
Shuttle 339
Soma 273
actioN 227
Dewaltoss 195
Hyuk 164
[ Show more ]
sSak 139
Stork 110
ToSsGirL 109
PianO 93
EffOrt 91
sorry 52
Sharp 48
Bale 28
HiyA 24
ZerO 20
Last 20
Backho 20
Noble 14
GoRush 13
SilentControl 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 5
Dota 2
XaKoH 1012
XcaliburYe155
NeuroSwarm139
League of Legends
JimRising 463
Reynor94
Counter-Strike
zeus1206
fl0m15
Super Smash Bros
Westballz19
Other Games
singsing1557
B2W.Neo1026
crisheroes308
Livibee251
Fuzer 204
mouzStarbuck172
FrodaN148
ArmadaUGS134
Mew2King58
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 35
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 17
• Adnapsc2 13
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Team League
1h 51m
BSL
8h 51m
Replay Cast
13h 51m
Replay Cast
22h 51m
Afreeca Starleague
23h 51m
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
1d
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 5h
OSC
1d 13h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 23h
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.