On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote: Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker
yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining
OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED
Thank you Fusion for speaking the truth.
Also, vultures (I assume that's what you're talking about) doesn't 2 shot workers. Even probes are sometimes 3 shot because of shield regeneration.
you can 2 shot drones if 2 vultures fire on one at the exact same time
but probes you can kill in 2 shots with one if there's no gap in the firing
On September 10 2009 23:53 inertinept wrote: if i played terran I would play TvT TvZ ZvP as TvP is literally impossible unless your much better than your opponent, or the map is othello.
This man speaks the fuckin truth...
FUCK heartbreaker. ONlY TERRANS HAVE HEARTS, AND IT ONLY BREAKS OUR HEARTS.... Zerg got evolution chamubers, and protoss are retarded.
On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote: Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker
yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining
OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED
Thank you Fusion for speaking the truth.
Also, vultures (I assume that's what you're talking about) doesn't 2 shot workers. Even probes are sometimes 3 shot because of shield regeneration.
you can 2 shot drones if 2 vultures fire on one at the exact same time
but probes you can kill in 2 shots with one if there's no gap in the firing
(sorry if you know this lol)
even hold-attack doesnt work for 2vultures vs 1drone... for some reason its just like INSTAREGEN
EDIT: woops double post... i somehow found this thread again and didnt recognize it... or see my last post
U could say Toss imba... cus I fucking cant win a ZvP on HBR... sometimes I kill like 100 probes with my mutas and make like 150 hydras after that but the toss just need to push with 20zealots + 3 archons and 4 HT and im dead... 2 good storm and insta GG.
FUCK TOSS, I was so fucking mad that I played toss my two next matches and guess what.. I WON FUCKING STORM IMBA! U CAN KILL 24 HYDRAS WITH A FUCKING STORM and my other match was a PvT on Othello... LOL IF U WANT I CAN SEND U THE REP BUT LOL TOSS IMBA I WAS SO LOSING BUT GUESS WHAT I MAKE 6 CARRIERS YEAH 6 FUCKING CARRIERS AND SNIPED THE GOLIATH BUILDING THING (THE ONE OF THE UPGRADES) AND I WON.
On September 11 2009 06:33 FranzF1 wrote: U could say Toss imba... cus I fucking cant win a ZvP on HBR... sometimes I kill like 100 probes with my mutas and make like 150 hydras after that but the toss just need to push with 20zealots + 3 archons and 4 HT and im dead... 2 good storm and insta GG.
FUCK TOSS, I was so fucking mad that I played toss my two next matches and guess what.. I WON FUCKING STORM IMBA! U CAN KILL 24 HYDRAS WITH A FUCKING STORM and my other match was a PvT on Othello... LOL IF U WANT I CAN SEND U THE REP BUT LOL TOSS IMBA I WAS SO LOSING BUT GUESS WHAT I MAKE 6 CARRIERS YEAH 6 FUCKING CARRIERS AND SNIPED THE GOLIATH BUILDING THING (THE ONE OF THE UPGRADES) AND I WON.
On September 11 2009 05:29 huameng wrote: I think you will have trouble finding a worse winrate than 45.5% for any race, chill.
rofl terran actually loses to protoss on othello 51%. I'm switching to zerg
ya 44% over this kind of sample is pretty huge.. medusa is about the same.
but it's far from unwinnable and zergs used to struggle with worse percentages against terran for years terrans are whiny
"so i have this unit with infinite mana that can make my units invincible and his units die in 1 hit. nah lets not use that" they deserved those percentages
you can make up funny stuff like that about more terran units than zerg or protoss units e.g. "whoa vultures 75 mineral units fastest in the game kills peons in 2 hits and blows up huge chunx of shit 3 times" I mean wtf a spider mine is more powerful than a scarab, you pay 15 minerals for each of those it's basically like you set 3 remote scarabs and then you have a free vulture for the price of a fucking zergling whoa tanks kill shit from a screen away
although I do agree defilers are the best units in the game, I win most zvt games I play through just rushing for them with hardly any micro or macro required and it works vs players way better than me
Did you vs me yesterday? If so, sorry about the counter when your big ball was attacking my nat and then stop lurking on the path back killing all of your MnM's.
gold thread 5/5 i agree and seriously the other day i got cannon rushed and my marine spawned on the other side of the wall and i cant do SHIT at all cannon plus zlot = auto win = FML
On September 11 2009 07:31 Liquid`Drone wrote: (...)
although I do agree defilers are the best units in the game, I win most zvt games I play through just rushing for them with hardly any micro or macro required and it works vs players way better than me
I was obsing my 2 friends (both C) offracing. One got Z, second one got T. Z went 5 pool, T defended it and made aca+3 raxes on 1 base (yes, it was stupid), Z rushed to defilers, using only few lurkers to prevent T from going out since scans are limited used, by the time he had defilers knocking to T's natural T didn't even begin making vessels. And guess what does it mean to have swarm on your nat w/o vessels. Insta kill, even if it is only like 3 lurkers + defiler + handful of lings as food
oh yea did i forget vultures needs good control we pay for our mines and speed and how shitty are they against goons and hydras might as well talk about how 2 storms kill your whole mining base
On September 11 2009 08:06 geegee1 wrote: oh yea did i forget vultures needs good control we pay for our mines and speed and how shitty are they against goons and hydras might as well talk about how 2 storms kill your whole mining base
yeah but if you lose those hts + shuttle that drop in the mineral line, you lost quite a bit of money
if you lose 4 vultures, thats barely anything in terms of cost
On September 11 2009 08:06 geegee1 wrote: oh yea did i forget vultures needs good control we pay for our mines and speed and how shitty are they against goons and hydras might as well talk about how 2 storms kill your whole mining base
On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote: Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker
yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining
OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED
Shields suck because they take full damage. I'd take repair over recharge anyday. Therefore, I can be protected by a wall and get away unpunished with zero units because I can repair that wall and play greedy while if the other races did the same, their base would get torn up. SCV > Probe, and early early game worker harrass, you lose like, what? 1 worker? Try having 150% health in late/mid game (when it counts) and how much it saves your ass when there are units attacking ur workers and they pop so easily cuz they only have 40 life (which half of it take full damage)
Oh yeah, when did DTs ever 1 shot an SCV? If you lose few DTs, that will put a dent on your gas You lost a few vultures? Oh, so what? They only cost 75 mineral, lets make a billion more and put FREE mines all over the place
O yeah, repair owns because its automatic. OH WAIT YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY REPAIR EVERY UNIT AND BUILDING! You can't get away with zero units, a goon can snipe the shit out of scvs repairing the wall. in late/mid game, reaver and storm STILL rapes scvs despite their extra 20 hp. And if you rush DTs, what can a terran do to kill it? It's not like you can use a vulture/tank like you can use archon/zeal, using splash damage to kill a lurker. Oh what? You laid a million mines and one zealot walks through and one explodes, setting off all of the others and the zeal still has like 50 hp left?
Just because recharge is automatic doesn't mean its better. Actually, do you even know how slow it takes for a unit to recharge its shield? We're talking about a fast-paced macro-fest serious game here, do you really think the game's outcome is going to be slightly affected by shield regeneration? Shield regeneration can't make up for the COST of having shield take FULL damage. No sir
I was exaggerating on the zero unit part because it would be beyond unfair if 1 race can play greedy with 0 units while other race can't do shit to punish, but 1 tank is actually enough to stop 2~3 goons at your door if you have a wall + repair. And that tank isn't even sieged.
Don't compare Reaver + Storm to Vulture harrass, Reaver drops and Storm drops actually cost a handful of gas and investment (robo building, support bay building, tech research, gas cost, shuttle cost) while few vultures that can be used to harrass cost 75 mineral each. You lose a shuttle with 2 reaver, you just lost 600 minerals + 200 gas + scarab mineral cost. That's not including the cost of the Support Bay Building. You lose 5 Vultures? 375 minerals lost, big deal. Someone rushes DT, so what? You react like any other race using cloaked unit, you get detector or turrets. Once mid game hits, Terrans have so many scans that its pretty much maphack anytime
Yeah, in your exaggerated scenario, 1 lone zealot, as unbelievable as it sounds, could trigger a million mines somehow but at the end of the day, that zealot actually cost 100 minerals while 1 million mines cost ZERO minerals
See my point? T is the most cost efficient race. Why else can T with 2 bases compete with P with 3 bases?
i think the question is not why play terran, but why play HBR at all.
I am a protoss players, and I avoid that map, because I think the terran has it easy in that map. Mostly, because I rarely cheese, proxy, or 10/15 gate... once I did a proxy robo with reaver drop, but that is hardly something to worry much about.
Anyway, when the terran moves to the middle in that map, all hell breaks loose. The pathways connecting to the middle are so small, and planting mines there's make it almost impossible to break any push. Terran can easily defend the expos, I find and has an easy time harassing. As soon as they see my arbiter, they plant a shitload of mines in their mains and turrets every possible side wall.
Few games I won, was by recalling mid of map, and even so it is an attack that takes a lot of precisions to synchronize and organize.
Play in another motw. Tau Cross and Gaia are awesome for all races, imo
EDIT: Just wanted to add that those map statistics could be awfully biased. Imagine if only 2 people playing in iccup, By.Flash and I. Obviously, the map statitics for TvP would favor T, and make every map look like a T map. I think because Terran is harder race to play, there are a lot of newb D level terran who cant win a single match pulling down the ratios of Terran in all maps. Zergs just seem to dominate almost everywhere. I guess there are just more good zergs playing in iccup than other races.
On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote: Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker
yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining
OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED
Shields suck because they take full damage. I'd take repair over recharge anyday. Therefore, I can be protected by a wall and get away unpunished with zero units because I can repair that wall and play greedy while if the other races did the same, their base would get torn up. SCV > Probe, and early early game worker harrass, you lose like, what? 1 worker? Try having 150% health in late/mid game (when it counts) and how much it saves your ass when there are units attacking ur workers and they pop so easily cuz they only have 40 life (which half of it take full damage)
Oh yeah, when did DTs ever 1 shot an SCV? If you lose few DTs, that will put a dent on your gas You lost a few vultures? Oh, so what? They only cost 75 mineral, lets make a billion more and put FREE mines all over the place
O yeah, repair owns because its automatic. OH WAIT YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY REPAIR EVERY UNIT AND BUILDING! You can't get away with zero units, a goon can snipe the shit out of scvs repairing the wall. in late/mid game, reaver and storm STILL rapes scvs despite their extra 20 hp. And if you rush DTs, what can a terran do to kill it? It's not like you can use a vulture/tank like you can use archon/zeal, using splash damage to kill a lurker. Oh what? You laid a million mines and one zealot walks through and one explodes, setting off all of the others and the zeal still has like 50 hp left?
Just because recharge is automatic doesn't mean its better. Actually, do you even know how slow it takes for a unit to recharge its shield? We're talking about a fast-paced macro-fest serious game here, do you really think the game's outcome is going to be slightly affected by shield regeneration? Shield regeneration can't make up for the COST of having shield take FULL damage. No sir
I was exaggerating on the zero unit part because it would be beyond unfair if 1 race can play greedy with 0 units while other race can't do shit to punish, but 1 tank is actually enough to stop 2~3 goons at your door if you have a wall + repair. And that tank isn't even sieged.
Don't compare Reaver + Storm to Vulture harrass, Reaver drops and Storm drops actually cost a handful of gas and investment (robo building, support bay building, tech research, gas cost, shuttle cost) while few vultures that can be used to harrass cost 75 mineral each. You lose a shuttle with 2 reaver, you just lost 600 minerals + 200 gas + scarab mineral cost. That's not including the cost of the Support Bay Building. You lose 5 Vultures? 375 minerals lost, big deal. Someone rushes DT, so what? You react like any other race using cloaked unit, you get detector or turrets. Once mid game hits, Terrans have so many scans that its pretty much maphack anytime
Yeah, in your exaggerated scenario, 1 lone zealot, as unbelievable as it sounds, could trigger a million mines somehow but at the end of the day, that zealot actually cost 100 minerals while 1 million mines cost ZERO minerals
See my point? T is the most cost efficient race. Why else can T with 2 bases compete with P with 3 bases?
do you guys realize those are the small things that help balance the races out?
Each race has their own set of benefits, and they are all equally strong.
You pick a race based on which set of units you like to control best. If you think vultures are such a cool, powerful and cost efficient unit, go play Terran. If you think that HT and reaver drops can own the shit of any player, go for Protoss. If you think that cracklings + defiler = ggnore, go for Zerg.
All of them have a lot of window of opportunities to harm the opponent.
I play Protoss cuz they have ninjas, pirates and wizards. That's just as cool as it gets. Though you could argue that Terran has all the girls >_< Now, that is imba~!
EPT
Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker
