EPTHeartbreak Ridge is the worst map ever created. - Page 7
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On September 11 2009 23:40 koreasilver wrote: Yeah, but Destination is a Terran > Zerg map. Destination is Mech > Zerg and Zerg > Bio map. It is really hard for people who don't like meching. On September 12 2009 00:04 OneOther wrote: and Terran>Protoss, so no reason to complain LOL PvT: 70-45 (60.9%) <- TLPD TvP 1959 - 2320 (46 %) <- ICC stats Yeah, very T>P  It's "turtle or die" kind of map. Because every protoss with a little PvT experience on this map will build spotting pylons and use observers to prevent drop play | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
HBR being a "hard" map just makes me want to play it more actually I've been playing HBR like 80% of my ladder games now. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On September 11 2009 23:33 LuckyFool wrote: All I know is if I play 30 games on desti I easily have a winning record. If I play 30 games on HBR I go 5-25. Hard to not think it's the maps fault. Why don't you play one of the 4 other motw? Neo medusa not balanced enough for you either? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 12 2009 00:53 LuckyFool wrote: I love the haters, (aka non T's) random statements with no facts to back it up. I say ur all just a buncha skilless newbies scared shitless of all the real men (T's) who play this game. Thus u all just try to bring us down. HBR being a "hard" map just makes me want to play it more actually I've been playing HBR like 80% of my ladder games now. This is the terran philosophy. We don't play terran because we think its the easiest. We play terran because we have self-respect | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On September 12 2009 04:42 fusionsdf wrote: This is the terran philosophy. We don't play terran because we think its the easiest. We play terran because we have self-respect Damn straight. Idra has said a number of times - it's the satisfaction of playing the hardest race. also ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/66xHY.png) | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
On September 12 2009 00:47 Kaniol wrote: Destination is Mech > Zerg and Zerg > Bio map. It is really hard for people who don't like meching. LOL PvT: 70-45 (60.9%) <- TLPD TvP 1959 - 2320 (46 %) <- ICC stats Yeah, very T>P It's "turtle or die" kind of map. Because every protoss with a little PvT experience on this map will build spotting pylons and use observers to prevent drop playStatistics schmatistics. T has like the worst winning ratio in ~98% of ALL iccup maps, playing vs Protoss and Zerg alike. You can assume it is the player's fault, rather than the maps fault. Terran players at D, D- rank are an easy walk over for anyone, imo. Terran is the hardest to play if you are a beginner. As for pro gamers, if you check this out: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/188_Destination/games/TvP You will see pretty much that the Protoss who was facing the terran was the favorite to win, anyway, at least in most matches. I think your guts and analytical skills are a far better teller of the truth than statistics. Imo, Destination is a map that favors a lot of static play. There are pretty much 5 pathways dividing the map, where 2 of them kind of clog together. Fighting in the bridges is hard for both Terran and Protoss alike. Protoss cant flank, and Terran has a hard time setting units up to mobilize past the middle bridge. Both players will probably try to get control of their side of the map asap, while preventing the other from cornering them inside the natural. Both will probably try hard to prevent any set up behind the natural. I think the terran will have the best shot at targeting the back of the base, once it controls one of the middle side cliffs. I think the protoss has a motivation to expand to the cliff third base, and the terran to the bridge third base (tanks from main can protect the bridge) and its a strategical position to move towards the middle side cliff. The protoss by taking the cliff third base, can then easily protect the back of the main as well as getting a 4th base easily (mineral only). Id expect a lot of carrier and divided map, in Destination, a bit like Nostalgia. But in any case, I really dont see what points in this map favors protoss over terran? Proxy cheese? On September 12 2009 05:07 Sadistx wrote: Damn straight. Idra has said a number of times - it's the satisfaction of playing the hardest race. also I used to play Terran because they are humans, and they have the COOLEST theme song. It really pumps me up. I have a lot of respect for Terran players, I know how much harder it is to play (though they TvZ kind of easy...) Then one day I decided to play random, and notice I had a good win ratio PvZ, so I switched to Toss. After all, if I could easily beat Zergs, the other protoss MU are no problem, right? Total: PvZ 4-5 | 44.4% PvP 6-3 | 66.7% PvT 5-3 | 62.5% But, I guess PvZ was not my strong after all T_T Maybe being random influenced a lot on the zerg's decisions? lol | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On September 12 2009 06:37 TheAntZ wrote: One could argue terran is the most expressive and emotional race.Once again it is proven beyond doubt that terran is the whiniest race. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On September 12 2009 06:37 TheAntZ wrote: Once again it is proven beyond doubt that terran is the whiniest race. And you proved you're an idiot | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
Naah, I'm pretty sure I agree with him. But Terrans have an excuse for being whiny, because their race is a real bitch to play. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On September 12 2009 04:42 fusionsdf wrote: This is the terran philosophy. We don't play terran because we think its the easiest. We play terran because we have self-respect hahaha actually, i think you play terran so you can justify your awfulness at sc by telling yourself you play terran am i not right? :D | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 12 2009 05:19 Leath wrote: Statistics schmatistics. T has like the worst winning ratio in ~98% of ALL iccup maps, playing vs Protoss and Zerg alike. You can assume it is the player's fault, rather than the maps fault. Terran players at D, D- rank are an easy walk over for anyone, imo. Terran is the hardest to play if you are a beginner. So basically we're talking imbalance | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 12 2009 08:26 OneOther wrote: hahaha actually, i think you play terran so you can justify your awfulness at sc by telling yourself you play terran am i not right? :D you're wrong. Its the mindset of most terrans. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
hmm.. I wouldn't call it imbalance, just that terran takes a little bit more time to learn | ||
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druj
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
For example, take a simple clash of Protoss Army vs Terran army. You all might say Toss is so easy 1a2a3a and just win, but if you do that, Siege tanks and mines will rape all ur goons and zealots Thats why Protoss needs to Flank, Storm, Stasis, Zealot-bomb, mine drag while Terran simply needs to lay mines in front (press i ) and siege up (press o ). Build some cost efficient turrets and you're good to go You need to look ahead? Oh no worries, I got some maphack called scan. Oh he upgraded? It's okay, my 1 upgrade is enough to cancel out 2.5 of his upgrades Terran is the easiest race to play at high level. Everything you have is pretty much overpowered so please no more of these threads please. You all got nothing to whine about | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 12 2009 11:00 AzureEye wrote: I love all these Terran douches like Sadistx, LuckyFool, and Fusiondf who try to justify that their race is the hardest to play. Actually its not For example, take a simple clash of Protoss Army vs Terran army. You all might say Toss is so easy 1a2a3a and just win, but if you do that, Siege tanks and mines will rape all ur goons and zealots Thats why Protoss needs to Flank, Storm, Stasis, Zealot-bomb, mine drag while Terran simply needs to lay mines in front (press i ) and siege up (press o ). Build some cost efficient turrets and you're good to go You need to look ahead? Oh no worries, I got some maphack called scan. Oh he upgraded? It's okay, my 1 upgrade is enough to cancel out 2.5 of his upgrades Terran is the easiest race to play at high level. Everything you have is pretty much overpowered so please no more of these threads please. You all got nothing to whine about lol | ||
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CosmicAC
United States238 Posts
put some tanks on top of those ridges and some mines and protoss is fucked...your zealots get raped and then your goons cant even do anything i swear its gay as shit just try it... And those vulture runbyes...they're so fast that they can get in and out without much hassle... | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13921 Posts
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