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beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
September 10 2009 16:17 GMT
#61
On September 10 2009 23:26 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 23:02 beetlelisk wrote:
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Good read :D now I know where I will train my ZvT skills
I will pay you for it with...

On September 10 2009 14:44 Grobyc wrote:
Those sneaky fuckers are out to get us Lucky.

And fuck Zerg just because 2hatch is imba.


Add 2nd rax before CC. This is so simple.
Use mineral trick to put like 2nd scout in Z's / P's base.
edit + the same to make it leave your own base safely (so send like 2scvs and you need 3 to make those 2 leave your base).
FOCUS FIRE MUTAS - 10 Marines with +0 kill 1 in 2 shots that is ~1second?
Use hold?


@ cliffs behind nat:
Dude, there is enough place to place a Hatchery (I've just checked) so place rax / depots there for vision and as a 2nd wall in?




BTW
On September 10 2009 22:36 ghermination wrote:
This game is hard enough. I don't need Heartbreak Ridge making it any harder.

I'm already a dumbass and choose to play Protoss as my main race. (seriously why am I playing Protoss? I think I asked why in a previous blog...) Protosson it's own is a fucking hard race to play. Every game on any map is like uberhardmode. Now add this god awful map called Heartbreak Ridge to the equation and you get some ridiculously stupid mix of uberhardmode and impossibility.

What it should have been called was fuckyouintheass ridge.

I swear EVERY possible FUCKING thing that messes with your mind is in play on HBR. First of all it's a one on one map, so say hello to bullshit cheeses 24/7. Proxy barracks in ur main?. How fucked up is that. If you spawn right side you have to wall or u pretty much get stolen gas which is pretty much gg. Especially since there are no ramps. Are you kidding me? No ramps even? At least on destination we had a ramp. As if no fucking ramps was bad enough, there's a LEDGE above your choke. rofl? Ledge above ramp is bad enough on colo2 but at least there you get a nested natural. Here any possible wall is on the inside so you still have to work your ass off to simply survive a 10/15 gate and then still have to work like a mofo for ur expo.

Your nat is a joke, positioning cannons vs muta harass is like rofl. You can place canons above but they get picked off so easily. You can position stuff below but u have no vision and he just rapes probes randomly and ur gas always gets raped. Oh and I just found out recently u can siege tanks at the third and rape the other guys nat gas TvT and other guy can't do jack shit about it. fucking homo.

There are multiple main paths to the enemy base. Your army can be pushing on one side while a million troops march for a counter and when you try to pull back all ur shit gets clusterfucked in the middle. Oh by the way why the FUCK is there a base in the middle. I swear it's probably more fucking retarded than the middle base on Andromeda. Good luck trying to take a 4th base PvT. Good luck taking out zerg expos at 11 or 5. If they position sunks correctly and have swarm the chokes into those bases is so small its gg no re. And it takes u an hour to get to those bases. Reminds me of Katrina when ur troops basically had to run 26 miles to take out zerg expos. hell even taking a 3rd base feels shitty. half the time when you try to take 1 or 7 your stuck covering with tanks on the low ground near one of the ridges. If you don't mine+position perfectly every time u get fucked. How stupid is that? I mean seriously this game is a fucking hardmode game already why... just why.

Did I mention the temple+mineral fucking idiotjoke behind ur natural yet? No? Well guess what, whoever decided this map wasn't a fucking homonightmare already decided to add this shit which u can mine out or glitch units through. glitching Vultures/Lings through there is really fucking retarded. You can have cannon positioned at ur nat and cannons in main but if he glitches a few vultures or mines it out u can get fucked so easily.

I don't give a shit what the progaming stats are on this map btw this is the most imba and most retarded map ever. (I'm sure it's a "Protoss" favored map, BULLCRAP)

I do believe this is the worst map to grace the competitive starcraft scene in my 11 year history of playing this stupid game. It's motw on iccup right now and easily the most popular map in random public games. F that and F HBR. All I can say is the next one on one map better fucking have choke ramps or there will be hell to pay.


+ Show Spoiler +
they see me trollan....

?



fix'd :D


Almost :D You left TvT
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Oh and I just found out recently u can siege tanks at the third and rape the other guys nat gas TvT and other guy can't do jack shit about it. fucking homo.
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 16:40:41
September 10 2009 16:32 GMT
#62
For some insane reason, the top player on iccup is Terran and has played Heartbreak exclusively.
He's also b+. I really don't know how he does it.
Sullifam
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 16:52:55
September 10 2009 16:52 GMT
#63
tvz could be insanely good on this map, you have to sit down and figure out what you doing
something that artosis is good at. I do hope he is going to do the guide on tvz as well for HBR
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 10 2009 16:53 GMT
#64
On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote:
Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker


yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining

OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
September 10 2009 17:01 GMT
#65
On September 10 2009 14:17 Manifesto7 wrote:
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On September 10 2009 14:07 lazz wrote:
yeah bro, sounds like you shouldnt be playing terran if you find it so difficult/frustrating.. lol


Fuck that. Terran is the race of big dicked Vikings who rampage across the galaxies in huge battleships, rip up the ground with artillery spawned from the forges of hell, and send waves of valiant warriors to fight the freaks of science. Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop.

Awesome post! :D

I agree that TvP is retardedly hard on Heartbreak. I've had to deal with some sort of gay cheese every single game. So recently I decided that if they're gay to me, I'm gonna be gay back. I've started to proxy facs and float it inside they're main, go for heavy dropship play, all-in MnM+Tank combo (which has actually given me some succes) or going super turtle style. But it's hard. Really hard.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Aaerian
Profile Joined September 2009
21 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 17:10:47
September 10 2009 17:10 GMT
#66
http://www.iccup.com/mapinfo/iccup_heartbreak_ridge_1.1.html

Doesn't seem near as bad as you make it out to be.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
September 10 2009 17:13 GMT
#67
On September 11 2009 01:53 fusionsdf wrote:
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On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote:
Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker


yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining

OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED

Thank you Fusion for speaking the truth.

Also, vultures (I assume that's what you're talking about) doesn't 2 shot workers. Even probes are sometimes 3 shot because of shield regeneration.
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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 17:17:12
September 10 2009 17:17 GMT
#68
On September 11 2009 01:53 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote:
Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker


yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining

OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED


Shields suck because they take full damage. I'd take repair over recharge anyday. Therefore, I can be protected by a wall and get away unpunished with zero units because I can repair that wall and play greedy while if the other races did the same, their base would get torn up. SCV > Probe, and early early game worker harrass, you lose like, what? 1 worker? Try having 150% health in late/mid game (when it counts) and how much it saves your ass when there are units attacking ur workers and they pop so easily cuz they only have 40 life (which half of it take full damage)

Oh yeah, when did DTs ever 1 shot an SCV? If you lose few DTs, that will put a dent on your gas
You lost a few vultures? Oh, so what? They only cost 75 mineral, lets make a billion more and put FREE mines all over the place
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
September 10 2009 17:22 GMT
#69
I couldn't resist...



That map is bleh...
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 10 2009 17:49 GMT
#70
nice rant just dodge the map it will be out of the loop soon (hopefully motw changes soon)
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11391 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 18:05:21
September 10 2009 18:05 GMT
#71
On September 10 2009 22:12 DarkShadowz wrote:
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On September 10 2009 14:51 mrgerry wrote:
After losing to Terrans on Desti who go Mech and go into a game not wanting to attack and just camp their half I don't feel the slighest bit of sympathy.

yeah this is exactly my thoughts. It's also not like PvZ is a walk in the park, dying to different ling allins 4 times in a row on HBR

It's really not any different then what P's do to T on Dest because they just don't want to deal with the lategame on the map.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 18:27:04
September 10 2009 18:23 GMT
#72
On September 10 2009 20:04 Artosis wrote:
heartbreak ridge is actually one of the most imbalanced TvP maps ever made. Infact, it is up there with Requiem. after the northeast lan, ill do a little guide on how to tvp it. im in my 5th day of hardcore studying/playing it, hardest map ever, dont feel bad if u lose all ur games on it.

artosis, you realize your comments on terran balance are basically useless at this point, right?

also, 45.5% of terrans somehow managed to win on an imbalanced map in 13,280 games. http://www.iccup.com/mapinfo/iccup_heartbreak_ridge_1.1.html
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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
September 10 2009 19:07 GMT
#73
On September 11 2009 01:32 ghostWriter wrote:
For some insane reason, the top player on iccup is Terran and has played Heartbreak exclusively.
He's also b+. I really don't know how he does it.

The second-ranked player on iccup is a zerg who has played 129/132 games on Heartbreak. In fact, it seems like the only map the top-ranked players play is Heartbreak. Glancing through the top 20, all three races seem to be represented rather evenly. I didn't count though, so double check if you're interested. Considering that all the top players play Heartbreak and all races seem to be doing okay, at the very least I'd say Heartbreak is balanced at the pro level.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 10 2009 19:22 GMT
#74
On September 11 2009 02:17 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2009 01:53 fusionsdf wrote:
On September 11 2009 00:21 AzureEye wrote:
Terrans still got something to complain about after having the best win statistics in all broadcasted games played and proven to be the most overpowered race? Sigh when will people stop being so ungrateful! I would fucking cry tears of joy when my workers have 150% health than other races while my harrassing unit can 2 shot every worker


yeah, guess you'll just have to settle for rechargeable shields, fastest worker attack speed, fastest worker acceleration, fastest mining

OH and instead of being able to 2 shot workers (sometimes) you only have a unit that ONE SHOTS them. Luckily for you its also CLOAKED


Shields suck because they take full damage. I'd take repair over recharge anyday. Therefore, I can be protected by a wall and get away unpunished with zero units because I can repair that wall and play greedy while if the other races did the same, their base would get torn up. SCV > Probe, and early early game worker harrass, you lose like, what? 1 worker? Try having 150% health in late/mid game (when it counts) and how much it saves your ass when there are units attacking ur workers and they pop so easily cuz they only have 40 life (which half of it take full damage)

Oh yeah, when did DTs ever 1 shot an SCV? If you lose few DTs, that will put a dent on your gas
You lost a few vultures? Oh, so what? They only cost 75 mineral, lets make a billion more and put FREE mines all over the place


O yeah, repair owns because its automatic. OH WAIT YOU HAVE TO MANUALLY REPAIR EVERY UNIT AND BUILDING! You can't get away with zero units, a goon can snipe the shit out of scvs repairing the wall. in late/mid game, reaver and storm STILL rapes scvs despite their extra 20 hp.
And if you rush DTs, what can a terran do to kill it? It's not like you can use a vulture/tank like you can use archon/zeal, using splash damage to kill a lurker. Oh what? You laid a million mines and one zealot walks through and one explodes, setting off all of the others and the zeal still has like 50 hp left?
Sullifam
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 20:09:51
September 10 2009 20:09 GMT
#75
hey mod can you add in the stats for iccup as well? for hbr?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 20:28:04
September 10 2009 20:26 GMT
#76
I said in my OP and I'll say it again; I don't give a flying shit what the progaming stats are on the map. I'm a B- terran and I lose WAY more on that map than other maps. This is all that matters. progaming stats on the map mean about as much to me as what you ate for breakfast this morning- zilch.

It's as simple as that. You can stats hunt and argue until your blue in the face, the map is fucking imba and extremely difficult for terran laddering early in the season on iccup at D+ ranks.



huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
September 10 2009 20:29 GMT
#77
I think you will have trouble finding a worse winrate than 45.5% for any race, chill.

rofl terran actually loses to protoss on othello 51%. I'm switching to zerg
skating
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 10 2009 20:40 GMT
#78
On September 11 2009 05:26 LuckyFool wrote:
I said in my OP and I'll say it again; I don't give a flying shit what the progaming stats are on the map. I'm a B- terran and I lose WAY more on that map than other maps. This is all that matters. progaming stats on the map mean about as much to me as what you ate for breakfast this morning- zilch.

It's as simple as that. You can stats hunt and argue until your blue in the face, the map is fucking imba and extremely difficult for terran laddering early in the season on iccup at D+ ranks.





It's true. The map is very, very difficult to play as terrans, stats don't mean that much, especially with such a small sample size.
Sullifam
tossinYoSalad
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 20:59:15
September 10 2009 20:57 GMT
#79
aw lucky, no love for you on hbr.

i fucking love hbr cuz pvt is so easy. i beat c terrans regularly on that map without cheese. mmmm.

but yeah, seriously its imba.

BUT, it makes up for desti camp for 40 min terrans till you run out of minerals. that shit is lame, cuz the game takes so fucking long.

edit: and if it makes you feel any better, toss gets raped by zerg on that map (at least in my experiences) just because of the number of gay ass cheeses that they can do. srsly, the backdoor is 10x worse than destis AND the choke is bigger. so, take solace in that at least.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
September 10 2009 21:23 GMT
#80
On September 10 2009 23:53 inertinept wrote:
if i played terran I would play TvT TvZ ZvP as TvP is literally impossible unless your much better than your opponent, or the map is othello.

This man speaks the fuckin truth...

FUCK heartbreaker. ONlY TERRANS HAVE HEARTS, AND IT ONLY BREAKS OUR HEARTS.... Zerg got evolution chamubers, and protoss are retarded.
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