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TLnet Poll - Do you support the WCS 2015 region lock?

Do you support the WCS 2015 region lock? :

Yes (5284)57%
No (2188)23%
Undecided (1861)20%

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Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
September 05 2014 17:24 GMT
#1
Finally!
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
September 05 2014 20:40 GMT
#2
I support it fully if Korean scene gets more tournaments.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Hydro033
Profile Joined July 2012
United States136 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-22 15:43:16
September 05 2014 21:10 GMT
#3
I always found it fascinating how Korea has the best players but least amount of money/tournaments. Why is this?
#Wet4Ret
SoulRiM
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany53 Posts
September 05 2014 21:12 GMT
#4
On September 06 2014 06:10 Hydro033 wrote:
I always found it fascinating how Korea has the best player but least amount of money/tournaments. Why is this?


I guess there are just less players and less gaming companies wanting to invest in esports.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
September 05 2014 22:51 GMT
#5
If there's more than 3 GSL seasons a year, yes. If not, fuck no. So many Korean retirements inc.
Peggies[x]
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines9 Posts
September 06 2014 01:17 GMT
#6
Iirc in broodwar there were 2 major individual leagues, the OSL and the MSL..

how come in SC2 there is only GSL?

well I am just hoping they would add another major individual league in korea so that many more korean players can have the opportunity to showcase their skills and avoid retiring.. Also this will be great for sc2 fans.. :D
SelimSC
Profile Joined March 2014
Turkey39 Posts
September 06 2014 02:31 GMT
#7
No I don't if its going to end up with the trade off of random NA Scrubs with hard working Koreans. And lets face it the game is never going to last long in America but there is a chance of creating a lasting e-sport in Korea.
Life always finds a way.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
September 06 2014 10:55 GMT
#8
I support it but I am worried what will happen to level of play in the foreign scene and if SC2 will keep growing like it actually has this year.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Rikudou
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany151 Posts
September 06 2014 15:57 GMT
#9
undecided, because there are pros and contras
Is this real Life? No, it's StartaleLife!!!
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
September 06 2014 18:45 GMT
#10
This has to be one of the worst things blizzard has done for the SC2 tournament scene. There is an oversaturation of Korean pros in Korea. This is basically forcing retirement for legends like Mvp and Nestea.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
sc2PaperCut
Profile Joined August 2014
2 Posts
September 06 2014 22:49 GMT
#11
Let the best shine for Christ's sake!!
UR.Solo
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada13 Posts
September 07 2014 00:05 GMT
#12
I agree with it. Though it's nice to think about the Korean pro's. However, With them flooding every scene in the world, leaves less room for foreign pro's to make a splash. In the grand scheme of things, more pro's from other countries- the better. Patriotism is a monument in all sports. This should not get taken away from E-sports either
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
September 07 2014 07:55 GMT
#13
I support it, but it is rough to introduce it after 2 years of no region lock, because guys like Ryung, alicia, crank, heart, JD etc got boned pretty hard.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
SLAYER29
Profile Joined June 2011
United States50 Posts
September 07 2014 16:30 GMT
#14
On September 06 2014 11:31 SelimSC wrote:
No I don't if its going to end up with the trade off of random NA Scrubs with hard working Koreans. And lets face it the game is never going to last long in America but there is a chance of creating a lasting e-sport in Korea.


Isn't America providing the most money for events? Random NA scrubs??? It's supposed to be the best from each region, the best NA players should play the best players from other regions, like other global tournaments (the World Cup).
Judgment day the second coming arrives. Before you see the light you must die
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
September 07 2014 18:13 GMT
#15
I'll support it if the Korean WCS receives a hugely disproportionate amount of the WCS points each season compared to the NA and EU regions. If NA and EU get the same amount of points for going up against far worse competition, then it kind of defeats the point of a tournament designed to "find the best player" at the end of the year.
Liquid Fighting
Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
September 08 2014 01:34 GMT
#16
Yes, lets support this and find out that we'll have players like Rain or maru playing against foreigners in 2015 Blizzcon
#1 Bomber fan | Jin Air best KT
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
September 09 2014 04:27 GMT
#17
Blizzard just fucked the Korean Starcraft 2 scene for the sake of white people.
Synergysc
Profile Joined September 2013
United States25 Posts
September 09 2014 06:44 GMT
#18
On September 09 2014 13:27 rift wrote:
Blizzard just fucked the Korean Starcraft 2 scene for the sake of white people.


And for the sake of Starcraft 2 actually surviving as a popular game in America and Europe. It's blatantly obvious at this point that people don't want to see 8 koreans in the ro8 of WCS "America" and a lower-tier kespa player like Pigbaby simply just waltzing in and taking 1st place, they want to see homegrown heroes with a great storyline playing on their home turf.

The fact of the matter is Starcraft 2 has no chance of survival under an ideology that "if you don't go pro then you fail" because the only chance of actually winning something in a non-region locked system is if you give up just about everything to travel and train in Korea. It's just not viable. Most people would rather just get a job instead of risking their lives like that
GreenMash
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway1746 Posts
September 09 2014 09:23 GMT
#19
It makes WCS feel somewhat unique which is a good thing IMO. It also felt so wrong to call it WCS "America" or "Europe" when almost everyone is Korean
I love hellbats
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
September 09 2014 14:56 GMT
#20
The huge thing here as well that I would like to add is that by making it region exclusive you allow players from that region a chance to develop towards progression in tournaments. One of the big criticisms my friend was telling me about LoL is that even if you're a top 200 NA player not on a team compared to KR or EUW you're likely not high up on any other minor tournaments because these other two regions are so dominant that good teams rarely come out of there. So I think things will go back to the days of early early WoL, where we saw a lot of foreign players seemed to be larger in numbers and more populate. Whether that was because of skill compared to Koreans for example, or because of how popular the game was is up for debate. But back in those days koreans weren't coming to mlg's and other NA exclusive tournaments. So in effect I think that Blizzard is just trying to halt teams from sending more big name foreigners.

Honestly though I do like the change.
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