EPTIt's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously?
Do you support the WCS 2015 region lock? - Page 2
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Fall.182
United States126 Posts
It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously? | ||
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Fall.182
United States126 Posts
On September 08 2014 01:30 SLAYER29 wrote: Isn't America providing the most money for events? Random NA scrubs??? It's supposed to be the best from each region, the best NA players should play the best players from other regions, like other global tournaments (the World Cup). Quote from TLO's interview: Do you think that a stronger foreign scene is necessary for the long term success of SC2? I do believe a stronger foreign scene is required yes. However to reach that goal we don't need to kick out Koreans -- instead we need to strengthen our infrastructure. Teams need the money to invest into proper training structure and take a bigger role than just being an agency for players. Region lock is just a cop out, not a long term solution. | ||
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TJ31
630 Posts
And yes, as mentioned already, they are normal people too, they just work harder to achieve something. Foreign scene had/have some talents too. Stephano, Snute, Scarlet, Naniwa for example. Not gonna rant or anything, but don't think I'll watch too much of WCS EU/NA next year. And I rarely can watch KR one anyway (don't like the VODs either), so guess I'll have to find something else to watch. | ||
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Synergysc
United States25 Posts
On September 10 2014 10:11 Fall.182 wrote: hmm this whole situation seems very familiar... oh right. Affirmative Action. It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously? I don't think you realize how developed the Korean scene actually is at this point. Team houses, coaches, proleague, etc. The environment for improvement there is so superior to NA. This game is currently in trouble popularity-wise because most people don't dream of giving up their entire life just to fly and train in Korea and possibly end up failing. I assure you the Koreans have more of an advantage than you think when it comes to training. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
- Less Koreans = Less Epic Games - Less Koreans in NA/EU Server = No training partner for the best foreigner = More gap between EU/NA and KR - More WCS Points to Foreigner = Unfair points system (We all know that the top 16 for BlizzCon (and I think the top 25-30) is made only by koreans (counting the skill level). Creating a points system that gives more point to foreigner is just a way to say "ok, foreigners are not good, but we are finding a way to mask it") - Obviosly there are some foreigner out from this, and they are Snute, Scarlett, VortiX, and maybe Huk, Major and Bunny - they are the only foreigners that show that can be to korean's level | ||
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ApriL
United Kingdom16 Posts
We are still going to see Korean Vs Korean finals in the NA WCS, the difference is less skilled players in the North American region will get paid instead of their counterparts in Korea. If you are like me and just want to see the best games possible then region locking seems silly. The Koreans should have the right to compete in whatever region they want to, just like foreigners do. It is the fault of the foreigners for not being as good as the Koreans. It is not the fault of the Koreans for being better than the foreigners. The move will grow the NA and EU scenes short term but long term it will still not deal with the problems that plague the scene. Problems like the state of the NA ladder will not change. Problems like foreigners not winning in the WCS will still not change. | ||
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TojoZ
United Kingdom13 Posts
But I can't imagine that level of investment in NA (or EU) pros, at least not on a scale large enough to support anything remotely similar to what Korea has atm. | ||
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LeviathanDK
Denmark87 Posts
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bg_andrew
Russian Federation1 Post
On September 09 2014 15:44 Synergysc wrote: ... a lower-tier kespa player like Pigbaby simply just waltzing in and taking 1st place.. Pigbaby went through Taeja, Hyan and Bomber to reach 1st place and it didn't look waltzing at all. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On September 12 2014 02:06 LeviathanDK wrote: why should foreign pros make a splash if they aren't as good? I do not support it as I want to see the best of the best in the best events! just make amateur division "Code B" below challenger and let them get experience down there until they are ready to play with the big boys! This makes zero sense. Even without region lock AM and EU aren't populated by the best of the best. If this is your mindset, you already don't care about AM and EU so there's no change there for you, and forcing Koreans to go back to Korea is only going to make GSL even more competitive, which is what you say you want. You should be approving of this wholeheartedly. | ||
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Luisa_2
Germany200 Posts
This leaves a lack-luster in WCS EU and NA, which will result in even more dwindeling viewercounts. Who is seriously gonna watch round of 32 now. WCS Korea/GSL will burst even more with top notch players forcing great players to basically stop playing the game cause its not worthwhile anymore for them in regards of making a living from it. | ||
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LtOin
Belgium19 Posts
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LtOin
Belgium19 Posts
On September 06 2014 10:17 Peggies[x] wrote: Iirc in broodwar there were 2 major individual leagues, the OSL and the MSL.. how come in SC2 there is only GSL? well I am just hoping they would add another major individual league in korea so that many more korean players can have the opportunity to showcase their skills and avoid retiring.. Also this will be great for sc2 fans.. :D Because MSL was organised by MBCgame. MBCgame was then absolved and replaced with a music channel, so there is no chance of that ever coming back. So basically no one else wanst to organise a second tournament. | ||
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Radicalness
United States271 Posts
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On September 10 2014 10:11 Fall.182 wrote: hmm this whole situation seems very familiar... oh right. Affirmative Action. It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously? Depends on your definition of "working"; players who have to spend most of their time working jobs to pay bills don't have the ability to train 8-12 hours a day in SC2. There's no infrastructure to entice them to dedicate their time to the game. They'll just end up on the street. On September 10 2014 10:16 Fall.182 wrote: Quote from TLO's interview: Do you think that a stronger foreign scene is necessary for the long term success of SC2? I do believe a stronger foreign scene is required yes. However to reach that goal we don't need to kick out Koreans -- instead we need to strengthen our infrastructure. Teams need the money to invest into proper training structure and take a bigger role than just being an agency for players. Region lock is just a cop out, not a long term solution. TLO has it half right. He's right about needing infrastructure. The problem is he considers region lock to be a cop out, but Korea has never offered anything but region lock (GSL, OSL (defunct), Proleague). What region lock does is ensures tournament money is more likely to stay invested in the local region. The only way to get infrastructure is to have investment. Right now, AM and EU competitive scenes are being bled dry by Korea. Sure, playing against Koreans on ladder is always good, but regardless of who you play, you want the money to get recycled and build up the local region instead of being outsourced. When's the last time you heard of non-Koreans flying into Korea for a weekend and taking GSL winnings back to AM/EU? Never, that's when. Even the guys who managed to get some GSL earnings re-invested into the Korean scene, as they had to live in the region, play on the regional ladder, and in a number of cases stay/practice directly with Korean teams. Nowadays, things have become so lop-sided that Koreans wouldn't benefit from foreign player investment, and foreigners don't even bother trying to qualify for GSL anymore. | ||
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Penev
28477 Posts
On September 09 2014 13:27 rift wrote: Blizzard just fucked the Korean Starcraft 2 scene for the sake of white people. I'm sure Suppy agrees. Drop the white people BS pls.. | ||
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Heyzeusx
Australia1 Post
Also, Did Blizzard just write Polt several cheques for next year? | ||
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jayy5
Canada11 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Chylvain
France43 Posts
As some people said, less KR = NA/EU will be "bronze" level. | ||
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