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Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
September 10 2014 01:11 GMT
#21
hmm this whole situation seems very familiar... oh right. Affirmative Action.

It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously?
Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
September 10 2014 01:16 GMT
#22
On September 08 2014 01:30 SLAYER29 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 11:31 SelimSC wrote:
No I don't if its going to end up with the trade off of random NA Scrubs with hard working Koreans. And lets face it the game is never going to last long in America but there is a chance of creating a lasting e-sport in Korea.


Isn't America providing the most money for events? Random NA scrubs??? It's supposed to be the best from each region, the best NA players should play the best players from other regions, like other global tournaments (the World Cup).


Quote from TLO's interview:

Do you think that a stronger foreign scene is necessary for the long term success of SC2?

I do believe a stronger foreign scene is required yes. However to reach that goal we don't need to kick out Koreans -- instead we need to strengthen our infrastructure. Teams need the money to invest into proper training structure and take a bigger role than just being an agency for players. Region lock is just a cop out, not a long term solution.
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
September 10 2014 04:32 GMT
#23
No. Less Koreans = more mediocre games. I'm not the one of those people who will cheer for their terribad home team/players just because it's from their city/country either.
And yes, as mentioned already, they are normal people too, they just work harder to achieve something. Foreign scene had/have some talents too. Stephano, Snute, Scarlet, Naniwa for example.
Not gonna rant or anything, but don't think I'll watch too much of WCS EU/NA next year. And I rarely can watch KR one anyway (don't like the VODs either), so guess I'll have to find something else to watch.
Synergysc
Profile Joined September 2013
United States25 Posts
September 10 2014 07:05 GMT
#24
On September 10 2014 10:11 Fall.182 wrote:
hmm this whole situation seems very familiar... oh right. Affirmative Action.

It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously?


I don't think you realize how developed the Korean scene actually is at this point. Team houses, coaches, proleague, etc. The environment for improvement there is so superior to NA. This game is currently in trouble popularity-wise because most people don't dream of giving up their entire life just to fly and train in Korea and possibly end up failing. I assure you the Koreans have more of an advantage than you think when it comes to training.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 13:50:25
September 10 2014 13:48 GMT
#25
I vote no, because:

- Less Koreans = Less Epic Games
- Less Koreans in NA/EU Server = No training partner for the best foreigner = More gap between EU/NA and KR
- More WCS Points to Foreigner = Unfair points system (We all know that the top 16 for BlizzCon (and I think the top 25-30) is made only by koreans (counting the skill level). Creating a points system that gives more point to foreigner is just a way to say "ok, foreigners are not good, but we are finding a way to mask it") - Obviosly there are some foreigner out from this, and they are Snute, Scarlett, VortiX, and maybe Huk, Major and Bunny - they are the only foreigners that show that can be to korean's level

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ApriL
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United Kingdom16 Posts
September 11 2014 07:40 GMT
#26
This system as it stands is short sighted. Sure in the short-term we will see growth in the NA and EU scenes. Sure maybe some pros come out of retirement to compete again. That would be great but the trade-off is that we are going to see a negative impact on the Koreans and their scene.

We are still going to see Korean Vs Korean finals in the NA WCS, the difference is less skilled players in the North American region will get paid instead of their counterparts in Korea. If you are like me and just want to see the best games possible then region locking seems silly.

The Koreans should have the right to compete in whatever region they want to, just like foreigners do. It is the fault of the foreigners for not being as good as the Koreans. It is not the fault of the Koreans for being better than the foreigners.

The move will grow the NA and EU scenes short term but long term it will still not deal with the problems that plague the scene. Problems like the state of the NA ladder will not change. Problems like foreigners not winning in the WCS will still not change.
TojoZ
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom13 Posts
September 11 2014 15:26 GMT
#27
I suppose you could argue that region locking will stimulate the short term growth of non-KR regions, which may then provide an opening to solve the major infrastructure issues which constitute the majority of the gap between Korea and the rest of the world...

But I can't imagine that level of investment in NA (or EU) pros, at least not on a scale large enough to support anything remotely similar to what Korea has atm.
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LeviathanDK
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark87 Posts
September 11 2014 17:06 GMT
#28
why should foreign pros make a splash if they aren't as good? I do not support it as I want to see the best of the best in the best events! just make amateur division "Code B" below challenger and let them get experience down there until they are ready to play with the big boys!
bg_andrew
Profile Joined March 2014
Russian Federation1 Post
September 11 2014 18:01 GMT
#29
On September 09 2014 15:44 Synergysc wrote:
... a lower-tier kespa player like Pigbaby simply just waltzing in and taking 1st place..


Pigbaby went through Taeja, Hyan and Bomber to reach 1st place and it didn't look waltzing at all.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 11 2014 18:21 GMT
#30
On September 12 2014 02:06 LeviathanDK wrote:
why should foreign pros make a splash if they aren't as good? I do not support it as I want to see the best of the best in the best events! just make amateur division "Code B" below challenger and let them get experience down there until they are ready to play with the big boys!


This makes zero sense. Even without region lock AM and EU aren't populated by the best of the best. If this is your mindset, you already don't care about AM and EU so there's no change there for you, and forcing Koreans to go back to Korea is only going to make GSL even more competitive, which is what you say you want. You should be approving of this wholeheartedly.
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Luisa_2
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany200 Posts
September 12 2014 12:38 GMT
#31
Most retarded thing ever.
This leaves a lack-luster in WCS EU and NA, which will result in even more dwindeling viewercounts. Who is seriously gonna watch round of 32 now. WCS Korea/GSL will burst even more with top notch players forcing great players to basically stop playing the game cause its not worthwhile anymore for them in regards of making a living from it.
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LtOin
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium19 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 07:30:22
September 13 2014 07:29 GMT
#32
It's not gonna make foreigners any better.
LtOin
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Belgium19 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-13 07:34:22
September 13 2014 07:33 GMT
#33
On September 06 2014 10:17 Peggies[x] wrote:
Iirc in broodwar there were 2 major individual leagues, the OSL and the MSL..

how come in SC2 there is only GSL?

well I am just hoping they would add another major individual league in korea so that many more korean players can have the opportunity to showcase their skills and avoid retiring.. Also this will be great for sc2 fans.. :D



Because MSL was organised by MBCgame. MBCgame was then absolved and replaced with a music channel, so there is no chance of that ever coming back.

So basically no one else wanst to organise a second tournament.
Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
September 15 2014 04:56 GMT
#34
The only way this even remotely makes sense to me is if Korean tournaments are getting two or three times as many WCS points. Even then, the "somewhat good" Koreans are who get hurt the most as many of the mediocre GSL players are better than most foreigners.
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iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 21:29:46
September 15 2014 21:28 GMT
#35
On September 10 2014 10:11 Fall.182 wrote:
hmm this whole situation seems very familiar... oh right. Affirmative Action.

It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously?

Depends on your definition of "working"; players who have to spend most of their time working jobs to pay bills don't have the ability to train 8-12 hours a day in SC2. There's no infrastructure to entice them to dedicate their time to the game. They'll just end up on the street.

On September 10 2014 10:16 Fall.182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 01:30 SLAYER29 wrote:
On September 06 2014 11:31 SelimSC wrote:
No I don't if its going to end up with the trade off of random NA Scrubs with hard working Koreans. And lets face it the game is never going to last long in America but there is a chance of creating a lasting e-sport in Korea.


Isn't America providing the most money for events? Random NA scrubs??? It's supposed to be the best from each region, the best NA players should play the best players from other regions, like other global tournaments (the World Cup).


Quote from TLO's interview:

Do you think that a stronger foreign scene is necessary for the long term success of SC2?

I do believe a stronger foreign scene is required yes. However to reach that goal we don't need to kick out Koreans -- instead we need to strengthen our infrastructure. Teams need the money to invest into proper training structure and take a bigger role than just being an agency for players. Region lock is just a cop out, not a long term solution.

TLO has it half right. He's right about needing infrastructure. The problem is he considers region lock to be a cop out, but Korea has never offered anything but region lock (GSL, OSL (defunct), Proleague). What region lock does is ensures tournament money is more likely to stay invested in the local region. The only way to get infrastructure is to have investment. Right now, AM and EU competitive scenes are being bled dry by Korea. Sure, playing against Koreans on ladder is always good, but regardless of who you play, you want the money to get recycled and build up the local region instead of being outsourced.

When's the last time you heard of non-Koreans flying into Korea for a weekend and taking GSL winnings back to AM/EU? Never, that's when. Even the guys who managed to get some GSL earnings re-invested into the Korean scene, as they had to live in the region, play on the regional ladder, and in a number of cases stay/practice directly with Korean teams. Nowadays, things have become so lop-sided that Koreans wouldn't benefit from foreign player investment, and foreigners don't even bother trying to qualify for GSL anymore.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28476 Posts
September 16 2014 09:22 GMT
#36
On September 09 2014 13:27 rift wrote:
Blizzard just fucked the Korean Starcraft 2 scene for the sake of white people.

I'm sure Suppy agrees. Drop the white people BS pls..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heyzeusx
Profile Joined September 2014
Australia1 Post
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 16:41:45
September 16 2014 16:36 GMT
#37
This is blatant racism that will lead to the international scene being complacent with mediocrity and not growing in skill as it has been over the past year. Poor move in my opinion.

Also, Did Blizzard just write Polt several cheques for next year?
jayy5
Profile Joined June 2014
Canada11 Posts
September 16 2014 17:33 GMT
#38
I support it but the GSL should get double points. That's not even an exaggeration. You get the same number of points for coming in second at a tier 1 tournament abroad as top 4 in GSL?! wt heck.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
September 16 2014 21:13 GMT
#39
Its a good idea. The first year or two will be a brutal roflstomp in the grand finals when the americans are shit all over by their superior EU and KR counterparts. However eventually koreans will leave and come to the USA to join foreign teams, just like they did in Europe, and then those koreans will start playing on the US ladder, and training with their US teammates, and raising everyone's skill level
Chylvain
Profile Joined July 2012
France43 Posts
September 17 2014 15:12 GMT
#40
In my opinion, it's like SC2 will be dead next year.
As some people said, less KR = NA/EU will be "bronze" level.
"No GG, No Skill", that's why I never say "gg".
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