Do you support the WCS 2015 region lock? - Page 3

denikarabenc

Serbia1 Post

September 19 2014 19:52 GMT

#41

I do not support it. I am for that, that the best players play. It's not like people from EU and NA should get chance. They already have it, but, if there are better players, they should play, no matter the region. Also, this will probably mean retirement for a lot of older Korean players who are still very good, but not the absolute best.

[PkF] Wire

France24231 Posts

September 19 2014 21:19 GMT

#42

Yes as long as WCS KR awards a LOT more points and Proleague awards points too.

Ctone23

United States1839 Posts

September 20 2014 18:55 GMT

#43

On September 10 2014 10:11 Fall.182 wrote:
hmm this whole situation seems very familiar... oh right. Affirmative Action.

It's not like Koreans have an unfair advantage over other players that make them better... they just work harder. It's stupid how they should be handicapped for working harder. Like seriously?

i find it highly insensitive and ignorant to compare oppressive social issues with a game developer trying to further their brand. Like seriously?

Chilling5pr33

Germany518 Posts

September 20 2014 22:32 GMT

#44

Yes
Distribute the money by the amount of viewers the players attract, and distribute the points by skill.
So we need this change.

NyxNax

United States227 Posts

September 22 2014 14:23 GMT

#45

Im undecided on this. Pro's and Con's on each side, and will just have to see how it goes. E=sports and sc2 really grew a lot this year. I hope this doesnt hinder that. There's tons of fans for a lot of the big korean players, so if they arent able to play.... There are still a bunch of other big tournaments and events that the koreans can come play in, but still.. I donno bout this..

NyxNax

United States227 Posts

September 22 2014 14:25 GMT

#46

LoL, Did someone seriously compare this to affirmative action???

Gojira621

United States374 Posts

September 22 2014 16:23 GMT

#47

I don't have the link to the post, but viewership for WCS overall has dropped nearly 50% from 2013 to 2014, changes like this are necessary otherwise WCS just becomes even more of a sunk cost for blizzard, but I don't think they were planning to make much money from it anyway. Average fans want to see more non-korean stars. The koreans still play in every other tournament so I don't see why WCS being region-locked has to be such a big deal. It was region locked in 2012 and that year of WCS was incredibly fun to watch, seeing local heroes compete on a global stage at the end of the year. Be honest with yourselves, if a premier tournament final was to have, I don't know, Huk vs Scarlett, or like First vs. Cure which do you think will pull in more viewers?

rednusa

651 Posts

September 23 2014 11:43 GMT

#48

Back in 2010, around the launch of WoL, what were the differences between the foreign and Korean scene in terms of infrastructure? How did the Korean teams manage to get sponsors and afford teamhouses/coaches while still having to compete with popularity of the KeSPA-sponsored Broodwar scene? How many foreign teams replicated this back in 2010/11 and of those teams that did, why didn't they produce players on the level of Korean players?

NotSorry

United States6722 Posts

September 28 2014 05:56 GMT

#49

I think it should be stricter tho, not just a visa, but full legal residence within the region.

Mikku

Czech Republic58 Posts

October 04 2014 23:31 GMT

#50

No. WCS leagues are the race to Blizzcon, and Blizzcon is established as Clash Of The Titans, the ultimate end of the whole season with the best players in it. Region lock means, that few of the best players in the world atm (yea, Koreans), will have to pass their spots to foreigners, just because of nationality. It is maybe the best solution for Starcraft and community, but it is simply unfair.

ForgottenTheOne

4 Posts

October 06 2014 20:59 GMT

#51

On October 05 2014 08:31 Mikku wrote:
No. WCS leagues are the race to Blizzcon, and Blizzcon is established as Clash Of The Titans, the ultimate end of the whole season with the best players in it. Region lock means, that few of the best players in the world atm (yea, Koreans), will have to pass their spots to foreigners, just because of nationality. It is maybe the best solution for Starcraft and community, but it is simply unfair.

Maybe there will be a 2nd Tourney, where there will be X amount of players from each region playing against each other and then deciding who'll go to Blizzcon.

Also, remember that most tournaments with WCS points are held worldwide, without minding what your nationality is (IEM, Dreamhack, Homestory Cup, etc.), meaning that Koreans have big chances to play in Blizzcon if they win those tournaments. And those locks aren't so hard to overcome (most of players that play on EU/AM are playing there anyway).

I strongly support this WCS Lock, because it will finally say who is the best in the region and not another "Worldwide" tourney.

GrayFox90

Malaysia23 Posts

October 07 2014 08:08 GMT

#52

Hell, it's about time. IMO SC2 needs this change in order to survive and grow. There's no denying that them Koreans are a league above us non-Koreans. From the perspective of a viewer, of course I'd prefer a NesTea vs Mvp match rather than a TLO vs desRow match. However, we have to question whether it is for the best of SC2 as a whole. Why oh why is LoL and Dota2 so goddamn popular? You have to admit the fact that a huge part of it is due to the fact that there are quite a lot of pro players who do not come from a single nation. People connect better to players who come from their region or country. It's just How it has always been. I looove sOs but I'd support MarO from Malaysia in a match between those two if it ever comes to that. Blizzard have given the whole open thingy with WCS a chance and we can see that it hasn't really been a success. I say let's give it a chance. I don't agree with this whole crying for the lesser skilled Koreans thing. Korea has always been the sacred ground for StarCraft. We all know that already. If some lesser skilled Koreans are forced to retire as a result, so be it. Koreans have the GSL. WCS NA is for NA, WCS EU is meant for EU. I don't see the problem here. We have to understand the fact that foreigners need to earn a living too. They need to be given their chances in the spotlight too. Allowing region lock is not denying the lesser skilled Koreans from their wages. It's supposed to be that way in the very first place. Regions vs regions. Clash of the champions of each regions. No brainer if you ask me.

custombuild

31 Posts

October 07 2014 16:12 GMT

#53

On September 23 2014 01:23 Gojira621 wrote:
I don't have the link to the post, but viewership for WCS overall has dropped nearly 50% from 2013 to 2014, changes like this are necessary otherwise WCS just becomes even more of a sunk cost for blizzard, but I don't think they were planning to make much money from it anyway. Average fans want to see more non-korean stars. The koreans still play in every other tournament so I don't see why WCS being region-locked has to be such a big deal. It was region locked in 2012 and that year of WCS was incredibly fun to watch, seeing local heroes compete on a global stage at the end of the year. Be honest with yourselves, if a premier tournament final was to have, I don't know, Huk vs Scarlett, or like First vs. Cure which do you think will pull in more viewers?

You are 100% correct. Sc2 is not even in the top ten list of most played games in korea. BW has more viewership than sc2. LoL has taken over and it seems that it is going to stay for a long time.

Region lock should have happened sooner. I do not know if it will work this time. Like a previous poster said, it will end up in Pro koreans vs a no name. I wonder who will win at the end...

Exitor45

United States72 Posts

October 08 2014 16:35 GMT

#54

Anything that Has the potential to spread esports to New people, I believe in the end will be beneficial to the sport.

movac

Canada494 Posts

October 08 2014 16:37 GMT

#55

if there's going to be a region lock at all, it should require citizenship not just residence. other wise nothing will change in WCS EU and WCS NA will become WCS Polt.

I find that the 2 WCS regions do not represent the players that come from that region.

double the points from GSL if needed, but WCS NA and EU should represent the players of that region like it did back in 2012. I think many people have said that these 2 regions aren't interesting anymore once the tournament gets to the point where all the foreigners have been knocked out. Also there's no intrigue as to who will make top 8 in a season when it's fairly obvious who will make it.

If koreans can't make the cut in WCS KR then so be it. They can still play in tournaments like dreamhack and IEM.

Helios.Star

United States548 Posts

October 12 2014 22:22 GMT

#56

Not just yes, but hell yes. Its about damn time.

NEEDZMOAR

Sweden1277 Posts

October 16 2014 23:35 GMT

#57

On September 09 2014 15:44 Synergysc wrote:

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And for the sake of Starcraft 2 actually surviving as a popular game in America and Europe. It's blatantly obvious at this point that people don't want to see 8 koreans in the ro8 of WCS "America" and a lower-tier kespa player like Pigbaby simply just waltzing in and taking 1st place, they want to see homegrown heroes with a great storyline playing on their home turf.

The fact of the matter is Starcraft 2 has no chance of survival under an ideology that "if you don't go pro then you fail" because the only chance of actually winning something in a non-region locked system is if you give up just about everything to travel and train in Korea. It's just not viable. Most people would rather just get a job instead of risking their lives like that

which is straight up stupid, if people dont appriciate the game for its beauty they might as well not appriciate it at all.

as long as the korean region gets a ton of tournaments and at least 60% Of the combined prizepool I guess its fine.

johax

Sweden165 Posts

October 22 2014 14:52 GMT

#58

people keep saying that the game needs microtransactions to keep making money after it's release for the longevity of the game but when blizzard tries to make euro tourneys for euros and america tourneys for americans because they know people only watch when white dudes win thus keeping the game alive its all "noooo think of the faceless koreans

FreDMouL

France59 Posts

October 27 2014 16:13 GMT

#59

do not care about a dead game

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LynxRage

Switzerland5 Posts

November 01 2014 13:52 GMT

#60

I think this change is stupid. WCS EU is already boring and now WCS NA will be boring aswell.The western players will have less chances to practise or play against the Koreans and will therefore not get better. So even if a european or a american player wins the WCS the gap in skill to the Koreans will actually have grown bigger. Maybe now we'll have 6 western players at blizz con because they get all the points from WCS but it won't be because they got better it will just be because the system got rigged. I think it's a fucking joke and a pretty sad one. The Koreans are better , just accept it and try and improve the western players instead of trying to exclude certain koreans from the competition. I think they will regret this decision a lot. But we'll see how it goes. I won't be wacthing WCS EU or NA next year,what's the point ?

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