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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-08 20:07:45
June 08 2009 19:17 GMT
#41
On June 09 2009 03:55 AeTheReal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 03:35 mikeymoo wrote:
On June 09 2009 03:13 AeTheReal wrote:
A few things...

Unlocked Tech vs Upgrades Available
These should be separate listings for buildings right? Some buildings have units that they unlock and upgrades that can be researched there listed together under Unlocked Tech. I think they should be separated out. The way I see it, Unlocked Tech should be units, buildings, and upgrades (at other buildings) unlocked by having this building. Upgrades Available should be all upgrades researched at this particular building.

Basic Upgrades Prerequisites
Also, tech requirements for level 2+ upgrades for weapons and armor is mentioned for Protoss upgrades but are not for Zerg or Terran upgrades. Is mentioning tech requirements for this necessary? Regardless, I'd recommend removing that info from the infobox area since it adds clutter.

Units/Buildings Infobox Data
...should probably both be updated so they can display supply provided and attack data. Overlords don't display that they provide 8 control in the infobox and photon cannons and such don't display their attack data there either.

Yes, yes, and yes. Fix what you can, and any infobox stuff we'll take a look at.
Use the talk pages if you want to talk about specific articles.



Roger that.

Wikia.com has a Starcraft wiki if anyone doesn't know already. I like how they show that an attack is which attack type by a single letter. This is probably the most elegant way of conveying damage type info. Writing the entire word "Explosive" or "Splash" in the infobox is too messy. See link below for example.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_tank_(StarCraft)

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Unit_Statistics

EDIT: Oh okay, my bad. I thought you meant shorthand notation in general.
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AeTheReal
Profile Joined June 2009
United States108 Posts
June 08 2009 19:28 GMT
#42
I meant on the individual unit pages. o_0
liquorice
Profile Joined August 2008
United States170 Posts
June 08 2009 22:29 GMT
#43
On June 09 2009 03:55 AeTheReal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 03:35 mikeymoo wrote:
On June 09 2009 03:13 AeTheReal wrote:
A few things...

Unlocked Tech vs Upgrades Available
These should be separate listings for buildings right? Some buildings have units that they unlock and upgrades that can be researched there listed together under Unlocked Tech. I think they should be separated out. The way I see it, Unlocked Tech should be units, buildings, and upgrades (at other buildings) unlocked by having this building. Upgrades Available should be all upgrades researched at this particular building.

Basic Upgrades Prerequisites
Also, tech requirements for level 2+ upgrades for weapons and armor is mentioned for Protoss upgrades but are not for Zerg or Terran upgrades. Is mentioning tech requirements for this necessary? Regardless, I'd recommend removing that info from the infobox area since it adds clutter.

Units/Buildings Infobox Data
...should probably both be updated so they can display supply provided and attack data. Overlords don't display that they provide 8 control in the infobox and photon cannons and such don't display their attack data there either.

Yes, yes, and yes. Fix what you can, and any infobox stuff we'll take a look at.
Use the talk pages if you want to talk about specific articles.



Roger that.

Wikia.com has a Starcraft wiki if anyone doesn't know already. I like how they show that an attack is which attack type by a single letter. This is probably the most elegant way of conveying damage type info. Writing the entire word "Explosive" or "Splash" in the infobox is too messy. See link below for example.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_tank_(StarCraft)


I'd argue against this, on the basis that single letters are ambiguous, and the full words don't take up that much space.
fuck yeah zerglings!
AeTheReal
Profile Joined June 2009
United States108 Posts
June 08 2009 22:57 GMT
#44
On June 09 2009 07:29 virLudens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 03:55 AeTheReal wrote:
On June 09 2009 03:35 mikeymoo wrote:
On June 09 2009 03:13 AeTheReal wrote:
A few things...

Unlocked Tech vs Upgrades Available
These should be separate listings for buildings right? Some buildings have units that they unlock and upgrades that can be researched there listed together under Unlocked Tech. I think they should be separated out. The way I see it, Unlocked Tech should be units, buildings, and upgrades (at other buildings) unlocked by having this building. Upgrades Available should be all upgrades researched at this particular building.

Basic Upgrades Prerequisites
Also, tech requirements for level 2+ upgrades for weapons and armor is mentioned for Protoss upgrades but are not for Zerg or Terran upgrades. Is mentioning tech requirements for this necessary? Regardless, I'd recommend removing that info from the infobox area since it adds clutter.

Units/Buildings Infobox Data
...should probably both be updated so they can display supply provided and attack data. Overlords don't display that they provide 8 control in the infobox and photon cannons and such don't display their attack data there either.

Yes, yes, and yes. Fix what you can, and any infobox stuff we'll take a look at.
Use the talk pages if you want to talk about specific articles.


Really? It looks okay on attacks that have one descriptor but on attacks for units such as the


Roger that.

Wikia.com has a Starcraft wiki if anyone doesn't know already. I like how they show that an attack is which attack type by a single letter. This is probably the most elegant way of conveying damage type info. Writing the entire word "Explosive" or "Splash" in the infobox is too messy. See link below for example.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_tank_(StarCraft)


I'd argue against this, on the basis that single letters are ambiguous, and the full words don't take up that much space.


Really? It looks ok when there's only one descriptor for the attack but on units like the Siege Tank, it looks really long and somewhat confusing. Using a single letter might be a bit ambiguous at first but it'd be easier on the eyes in the long run. Plus, I figure they'd be linked to a damage type page so if you hover over the letter, the tooltip will read "explosive" for "e" and "splash" for "s" anyways.
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
June 08 2009 23:30 GMT
#45
I looked at a random page, to see if I could help out. Sair Reaver came up and it didn't have anything in the 'Notable Games' section. I'd like to know what constitutes a 'Notable Game'. A game between high profile players, an important starleague game, or just any game that prominently features that style of play? To that specific article, I suggest adding Bisu vs Jaedong on Andromeda, and I suggest attempting to find the VOD where Sair Reaver was first used. I'd do that myself, but I don't know what should be considered for notability.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
June 08 2009 23:46 GMT
#46
Can I point out that everyone should be using the spell checker in their browser when they edit Liquipedia? There seems to be many instances of "harrass"

Grammatical errors also seem to be rife in many of the pages.
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
June 08 2009 23:58 GMT
#47
Also, how do I add pictures to a player page?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
June 09 2009 00:34 GMT
#48
I've got a couple suggestions:

It seems a little strange to allow all users to upload media and create pages without approval, but require approval for regular edits. Perhaps it should be the other way around. It's not causing problems, but it would be less busywork for the admins, and I highly doubt vandalism will be a problem.

A page on covering some general wiki-editing guidelines would be useful. Some things are already covered, but others aren't. (e.g. when edits are 'minor' , when to make changes vs. when to discuss, general formatting)

But all-in-all, it's really great so far! It meshes very nicely with the main site.
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
June 09 2009 01:01 GMT
#49
On June 09 2009 09:34 LxRogue wrote:
I've got a couple suggestions:

It seems a little strange to allow all users to upload media and create pages without approval, but require approval for regular edits. Perhaps it should be the other way around. It's not causing problems, but it would be less busywork for the admins, and I highly doubt vandalism will be a problem.

A page on covering some general wiki-editing guidelines would be useful. Some things are already covered, but others aren't. (e.g. when edits are 'minor' , when to make changes vs. when to discuss, general formatting)

But all-in-all, it's really great so far! It meshes very nicely with the main site.


New pages and media need approval just like any other edit.
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
Cali
Profile Joined May 2009
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 19:07:48
June 09 2009 01:17 GMT
#50
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Cali
Profile Joined May 2009
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 19:08:19
June 09 2009 03:06 GMT
#51
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 09 2009 03:15 GMT
#52
On June 09 2009 12:06 Cali wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Overpool_(vs._Protoss)

Trying to link
http://www.teamliquid.net/tsld/players/38_Mondragon

Mondragon

Wouldn't work i take it the tsld wasn't added to format yet. Although I think for Foreigner scene country addition might be preferred over race but that's an opinion.


I wasn't even aware we had a tsld >.> put it in the talk page, and if it becomes a bigger problem, ping sonuvbob or Masterofchaos
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 09 2009 03:16 GMT
#53
On June 09 2009 09:34 LxRogue wrote:
A page on covering some general wiki-editing guidelines would be useful. Some things are already covered, but others aren't. (e.g. when edits are 'minor' , when to make changes vs. when to discuss, general formatting)


Um. we aren't really using the minor edit feature, the general formatting thing is covered in the help section, and discussion occurs whenever you're not sure you should make the change and/or you have a question.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 09 2009 03:17 GMT
#54
On June 09 2009 08:58 CDRdude wrote:
Also, how do I add pictures to a player page?


dunno if this still needs to be answered, but click the "upload file" link on the left sidebar, and then you link to it using the same notation that the other pages use.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Cali
Profile Joined May 2009
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 19:08:31
June 09 2009 03:22 GMT
#55
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 09 2009 03:40 GMT
#56
On June 09 2009 12:22 Cali wrote:
Need a discussion on format of Bo's pages

I was going though them and just about all of them seemed to have been done by 3-4 with different formats I was thinking of going though and making them all
{{Infobox_Strategy
|name=
|race=
|type=Opening Build
|image=
|caption=
|matchups=
|creator=
|popularized=
}}
==Overview==
==Build Order==
==Build Order Clarification==
==Mentality==
==Transition==
==Countered By==
===Hard Counters===
===Soft Counters===
==Counter To==
===Hard Counters===
===Soft Counters===
==Notable Maps==
===Strong===
===Weak===
==Notable Games==
===Replays===
===VOD's===
[[Category:Strategies]]
I thought that this order would be best; as most put mentality at the bottom but my guess it would be best after the Bo explanation or after overview.

The thing not being consistent is pissing me off.


Ironic, as all of our work was trying to get this stuff consistent. The actual guides thing should be in the help pages.

the strategy guide should be:

{{Infobox_Strategy
|name=
|race=
|type=Opening Build
|image=
|caption=
|matchups=
|creator=
|popularized=
}}
==Overview==
==Build Order==
===Build Order Clarification (if necessary, optional section)===
==Mentality==
==Transition==
==Countered By==
==Counter To==
==Notable Maps==
===Strong===
===Weak===
==Notable Games==
[[Category:Strategies]]

The above is the most recent iteration, but we didn't have time to really get all of the articles exactly consistent. This is what I spent most of my time on, so PM me if you have any more structure questions.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
June 09 2009 03:43 GMT
#57
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/3_Gate_Speedzeal_(vs._Protoss)

3 gate speedzeals, links to DT Expand....

I added this to the discussion but i dont know how many people will read it.
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Cali
Profile Joined May 2009
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 19:08:37
June 09 2009 03:55 GMT
#58
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Cali
Profile Joined May 2009
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-12 19:08:43
June 09 2009 05:39 GMT
#59
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
June 09 2009 06:06 GMT
#60
I'm starting to edit player articles now, and I just have to say it feels strange that the articles are titled according to their gaming ID's. Especially if we're going to be fleshing out the player bio sections, it feels like the articles should be titled by their Romanized Names. For example, BoxeR's page, linked above, first establishes BoxeR with his Romanized name, then says he is "known by the pseudonym SlayerS_`BoxeR`."
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