US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 75

On August 26 2017 10:07 zlefin wrote:
not responding to the troll trying to bait more with his nonsense.

On August 26 2017 07:44 zlefin wrote:
bigfan, you need to be more careful with your moderation; in particular: brian's post right above the one of mine you warned is equally bad as mine, and was not actioned, despite that he was the clear instigator here.
did you get my messages bigfan? I was trying to appeal and dispute the matter with you, but you didn't respond to any of my inquiries, so I couldn't tell whether you got them or not. maybe I typed in your name wrong? I suppose that'd have to be it, cuz you would've responded.

PS backseat moderating woudln't be necessary if the moderation did a better job in the first place. if things seem like frontier justice, it's because there's a lack of law in the area to otherwise deal with problems.

On August 26 2017 10:54 BigFan wrote:

zlefin, we always consider context, a user's past history etc... when we deal with any reported posts. I also considered context in this case and went back and read through the conversation to see if Brian should indeed be actioned as well. I ended up actioning as needed. Whether you agree or not is your call but being directly involved in an argument means that you are unable to make a non-biased opinion for obvious reasons.

As for moderation, for the record, backseat moderation is a bannable offense on TL. Just some information to keep in mind for everyone whenever you guys all decide to go at each other's throats then decide to do some backseat moderation. Basically, please keep this in mind and do what's best for the thread.

On August 27 2017 05:00 BigFan wrote:
zlefin, I think you need to re-read my post again. I already went through the usual and considered context, posting history and a lot of other material before making my decision. You are free to contest it with another mod if you like but my decision is final in this case.

You pm'd me three times in a row and before I even had a chance to reply, you posted about it in here. Aka, there's no point in replying to your messages since the conversation got moved here. We moderate the thread as needed but we also expect that the integrity of the thread will be maintained in a conversation between adults.

If you think someone is trolling or needs to be actioned, you are free to report it. However, there's no guarantee whatsoever that the mod who looks at the report will action it as you desire. This basically goes for everyone else as well. The mods that take care of these reports don't take part in the discussion and generally try to avoid bias as much as possible. Anyways, that's it from me on this topic.

On August 27 2017 05:04 Gorsameth wrote:

Zlefin lost his report button a long time ago (for good reason as displayed here) so his only option was to make this thread to complain about people, while PM'ing mods.

1. This is our house.

This is our house and you are our guests. We will do everything in our power to treat everyone with respect and accommodate everyone's wishes, but this is a private site, so when you're here, you abide by our rules. We're not obligated to observe anyone's notions of free speech or fairness, but we will try to. Feel free to open a dialogue with staff or moderators or give suggestions in the Website Feedback Forum.

On August 29 2017 00:51 zlefin wrote:
You lie bigfan, I specifically gave you an extended amount of time to reply, and you did not. you also failed to specify what you were doing (thus leaving me iwth no idea whether you had disappeared entirely for the night or what), so that does leave you violating due process, not acting like an adult, but hiding to avoid communication; you could have simply pm'ed me saying discussion moved to here: you ddi not; so my conclusion stands from the evidence of what you did.. you may believe you did the correct thing, but more than enough info has been provided to establish that you did not. and now I have to regard you as directly lying about the incident. sad that people who adminster justice don't maek the effort to do so carefully and rigorously, or lack the competence to do so. and you most clearly did not here. you did a passable job, but clearly inadequate. but I guess people who work for free can't be expected to have much quality or competence. and I remain frustrated at your misconduct and somewhat dissatisfied with your answers and your violations of due process.

On August 29 2017 00:51 zlefin wrote:
I lost my report button because people choose to have the thread go bad rather than moderate to decent standards. Why people choose to live in a bad world is odd. it's been quite well documented that when the moderation is tighter everyone finds the thread to be better.

and might as well add another gripe since it's what people expect:
danglars (who as usual was the cause of a large amount of posts over the last day due to his poor conduct and intentional misrepresentation of his opponents position), does his usual thing: he dislikes the topic so he trolls by deflecting to hillary. as if the hillary matter hasn't already been litigated enough times.

On August 29 2017 02:10 Ghostcom wrote:
You are like the guy getting caught speeding complaining that the police pulled you over and not the guy you saw speeding last Thursday (or at least you thought he was speeding).

On August 29 2017 02:08 zlefin wrote:
You are factually wrong and remain so about the misconduct brian engaged in. He did engaged in low contest shitposting, but you refused to action him. but I can agree that you are unable and unwilling to admit what you did was wrong.
you willfully choose to act evil, that's on you.

They were non-actionable because you fail to uphold reasonable standards. And you are now flat out strawmanning asserting that I'm reporting things simply for disagreeing, which has been proven to not be the case at all. As such you are now actively trolling. Shameful conduct by a moderator.
If I knew of a better site I'd go to it; I asked DOZENS of times for one. That other sites are worse does not mean what you are doing is right or best. IT simpyl means others fail more. I offered dozens of times as well to take ove rmoderation here; or to create a new site with actually decent moderation.
I shal argue with you no more as you've proven you are willing to actively troll adn have no interest in actually being good and supporting justice. (I know that start is harsh, unreasonable, and inaccurate, and hyperbolic, but I'm very angry and you truly do deserve to be calle d out fo ryour considerable misconduct which you refuse to admit to in the slightest).
I'd fire you if I had the authority, but I don't. that doens't mean you're good; Arpaio thought he was a good person, but he oh so clearly wasn't.
You need to do a better job TL. stop wilfully choosing to make the thread worse, which you have chosen time and again.

PS the fact that I asked for an appeal, and wasn't even given the courtesy of a pm acknowledging that my message was even received is evne more proof of the failure to abide by standards of decency by the mods here.

On August 29 2017 02:12 zlefin wrote:

I'm complaining when the police break the law. I'm leaving website feedback for awhile now, as I'm angry from dealing with this nonsense and it's not good for my health.
and you are strawmanning.
you are shitposting. shame on you.
My complaint is that the police said the guy who was going the exact same speed as me wasn't speeding, despite that we were next to each other and going the exact same speed. In that situaiton I'd be fine with the ansewr of "we could only stop one of you"; but the answer of "he wans't speeding" is not acceptable.