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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
August 31 2017 01:42 GMT
#1521
I get that mods aren't under any sort of requirement to explain their decisions, but still I would really appreciate some sort of guideline for what constitutes an offence in the thread, because as stated above - I've got no clue anymore.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
August 31 2017 02:26 GMT
#1522
just go wild and see what happens. you cant find the line without toeing it
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 03:06:07
August 31 2017 03:05 GMT
#1523
Guys, as mentioned before, if you see a post that looks actionable, report it and move on. The thread moves extremely fast and only so many mods potentially keep up with the conversation etc... As for that post, can you please provide a link to it? Thanks!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 31 2017 03:12 GMT
#1524
If there's a post that I thought was actionable that didn't get actioned, I won't be reporting the next instance. But coming in and asking about why it isn't actioned might be warranted.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2017 03:51 GMT
#1525
On August 31 2017 12:12 LegalLord wrote:
If there's a post that I thought was actionable that didn't get actioned, I won't be reporting the next instance. But coming in and asking about why it isn't actioned might be warranted.

You have to realize that there are different mods that take on reports. One report might be 100% actionable in the eyes of one mod while the same report might look a bit less actionable to another. Obviously, we try and reduce that variance as much as possible. Anyways, my point with my post was that not a single person even reported that post you guys mentioned earlier.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 15:41:36
August 31 2017 09:04 GMT
#1526
Thank you for the reply BigFan.

It's this post by leporello: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=8598#171952

And it was reported by me. When I click the post it gives me the "this post has already been reported". I mainly read the politics thread on the hearthstone page, maybe that's the issue?

EDIT: In most cases I would just move on, but when a new line for moderation seems to be set in place I feel it is only reasonable to ask why so that the quality of reporting can improve. That way the moderation team also gets fewer reports to handle.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 18:24:12
August 31 2017 18:23 GMT
#1527
Well, there you go. I can only mod on TL, not its sister sites lol. I went and checked the reports on here and that report didn't show up from what I can see.

edit: the report is on the sister site but it hasn't been actioned yet. Going to have to wait until someone actions it then lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 18:31:42
August 31 2017 18:30 GMT
#1528
I thought that the shared part of the forums would have shared report systems. Interesting - thanks for the info

EDIT: Maybe it was worth considering? No idea how reasonable a suggestion it is.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2017 18:38 GMT
#1529
On September 01 2017 03:30 Ghostcom wrote:
I thought that the shared part of the forums would have shared report systems. Interesting - thanks for the info

EDIT: Maybe it was worth considering? No idea how reasonable a suggestion it is.

you mean a shared report system? Guessing it'll be rough to do since all that stuff is separate. Not sure of feasibility. R1ch would know more in that case.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
August 31 2017 18:43 GMT
#1530
Take these concerns to Website Feedback please
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
August 31 2017 18:51 GMT
#1531
On September 01 2017 03:38 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2017 03:30 Ghostcom wrote:
I thought that the shared part of the forums would have shared report systems. Interesting - thanks for the info

EDIT: Maybe it was worth considering? No idea how reasonable a suggestion it is.

you mean a shared report system? Guessing it'll be rough to do since all that stuff is separate. Not sure of feasibility. R1ch would know more in that case.


Nah, merely shared report system for the shared forums (i.e. General)

On September 01 2017 03:43 KadaverBB wrote:
Take these concerns to Website Feedback please


I thought I was in Website Feedback Do you mean a separate thread?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2017 19:23 GMT
#1532
oh I see, ya, still not happening. R1CH won't do it afaik.

Regardless, this is interesting though. Guess it explains why we only get so many SC Pol reports here.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 19:49:15
August 31 2017 19:26 GMT
#1533
Slight aside: I have seen a guy named R1CH who takes care of the coding matters of the website on more than just TL. Makes me wonder if he's more than just a TL & Friends coder or if maybe the name R1CH is just popular in website coding circles. Lol.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2017 19:29 GMT
#1534
haha good question, I really have no answer for you
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 01 2017 01:01 GMT
#1535
I'm fair!y sure I've seen him pop up quite a bit on reddit with regards to some non-tl programming things (notR1CH I think. Hell sometimes mock some of valve's stranger decisions like the time they ddos'd the we!ves).


Side note, if we aren't sure about whether something is threadworthy or not could we post it here and ask?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28608 Posts
September 03 2017 10:27 GMT
#1536
hm, if reports from sister sites don't show up even when dealing with the shared forums, that's a problem. I didn't know about that. I think, logically, that the moderators are more likely to use the original tl as we are more likely to have been around for a long period of time, and then if you report something from heartstone, it's more likely that nobody saw it.

I agree that the post from leporello is actionable. I'm on vacation and haven't been reading the thread (1300 unread messages is kind of a mountain to climb), but if I had seen a user complaint about that post, I would've done something - and in general, I'm about the most lenient mod on the site.

zlefin, you need to calm down. If you are angry, do not post. This applies to pretty much any type of conversation, both online and offline. It's extremely hard to be reasonable while being angry, and it's very rare for unreasonable posts to spur productive discussion.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 05 2017 15:44 GMT
#1537
It's posts like this which really make it clear that it's not a good faith argument being presented:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=8640#172789
"It's a simple idea, and I wish it was purely tautological. If the Left was sane on the issue, it certainly would be. But instead, as demonstrated above, there are countless apologists on the Left for illegal immigration. One would think that there'd be less love for human trafficking and indentured servitude."

xdaunt and danglars are again trolling up the thread, on immigration this time.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42291 Posts
September 05 2017 15:59 GMT
#1538
Clearly if you don't support the wall then you do support human trafficking. Those are the only two options.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 05 2017 17:04 GMT
#1539
On September 06 2017 00:44 zlefin wrote:
It's posts like this which really make it clear that it's not a good faith argument being presented:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=8640#172789
"It's a simple idea, and I wish it was purely tautological. If the Left was sane on the issue, it certainly would be. But instead, as demonstrated above, there are countless apologists on the Left for illegal immigration. One would think that there'd be less love for human trafficking and indentured servitude."

xdaunt and danglars are again trolling up the thread, on immigration this time.

It doesn't even wiggle the needle of thread norms with regards to pointed argumentation.

It's absolutely desirable because people like ChristianS thought the point was tautological, and it obviously wasn't given all the controversy. He learned something.

Kwark goes off trolling in his "0% illegal immigration hypothetical" and so do two or three others, which sorta underscores the entire reason for bringing it up. If you have to represent the point in bad faith or talk around the point, chances are it's a tough topic for one ideological bastion.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42291 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-05 17:44:57
September 05 2017 17:18 GMT
#1540
I made no hypothetical, it really is just unclear what xDaunt is asking. He didn't clarify whether he wanted no illegal immigration through legalizing immigration or by stopping illegal immigration without fixing the reasons it exists, or some combination of the two.

We're not refusing to talk about it, on the contrary we're making a much more good faith attempt to discuss it than xDaunt's silly "are you in favour of crime?" deserved.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
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